Face the facts

[Mo Lew]

Aaron Rodgers being 1-4 in championship games is exactly why we need Watson.
 

Winning a chip with a top 3 qb is still a hell of a climb. 

The cost is irrelevant, there’s nothing more impactful.  Get it done JD. 

 

[David Harris]

Love it - more threads! Not being sarcastic! 
 

get Watson! More threads now!

[Sonny Werblin]

I feel like this is relevant 

 

[Warfish]

The reason we need an elite QB is because one of the most elite QB's ever is a consistent loser in the biggest games.

Got it. 

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

[New York Mick]

10 minutes ago, Mo Lew said:

Aaron Rodgers being 1-4 in championship games is exactly why we need Watson.
 

Winning a chip with a top 3 qb is still a hell of a climb. 

The cost is irrelevant, there’s nothing more impactful.  Get it done JD. 

 

Rogers being 1-4 in championship games shows you need a balanced team not just a QB. 

[Lupz27]

The rest of the NFL should pool their money together and buy Mahomes out, the league will be ruled by him for the next 15 years no reason to play the games.

[TheNuuFaaolaExperience]

14 minutes ago, Mo Lew said:

Aaron Rodgers being 1-4 in championship games is exactly why we need Watson.
 

Winning a chip with a top 3 qb is still a hell of a climb. 

The cost is irrelevant, there’s nothing more impactful.  Get it done JD. 

 

I don't get the logic. We need Watson because one of the greatest QBs to ever have played the game is 1-4 in the championship game? 

[hungry jackson]

8 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said:

I feel like this is relevant 

 

Way to go TAMMY !!

[slimjasi]

8 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

The rest of the NFL should pool their money together and buy Mahomes out, the league will be ruled by him for the next 15 years no reason to play the games.

So the chiefs are just going to win the next 15 Super Bowls in a row? 
 

what are you saying here? 

[Lupz27]

Just now, slimjasi said:

So the chiefs are just going to win the next 15 Super Bowls in a row? 
 

what are you saying here? 

Yes

[slimjasi]

Just now, Lupz27 said:

Yes

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[Pac]

[Icer]

Dynasties fall apart faster than you think. Even Brady had a 10 year drought. The Warriors looked unstoppable, etc

[David Harris]

7 minutes ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said:

I don't get the logic. We need Watson because one of the greatest QBs to ever have played the game is 1-4 in the championship game? 

lol, that’s fari

 but it’s also more than fair you need to START with an elite QB to even have a chance.  Get the elite QB and then get the balance

[CanadienJetsFan]

Great.

just what the site needed 

another Watson thread before the clock strikes midnight 

[Beerfish]

15 hours ago, Mo Lew said:

Aaron Rodgers being 1-4 in championship games is exactly why we need Watson.
 

Winning a chip with a top 3 qb is still a hell of a climb. 

The cost is irrelevant, there’s nothing more impactful.  Get it done JD. 

 

Rogers has the same number of super bowl wins as:

Jim Plunkett

Doug Williams

Jeff Hostetler

Mark Rypien

Brad Johnson

Trent Dilfer

Joe Flacco

Nick Foles

Go after Watson by all means if the cost is reasonable, if not pass and build the team and keep looking for a QB.

[TheNuuFaaolaExperience]

15 minutes ago, David Harris said:

lol, that’s fari

 but it’s also more than fair you need to START with an elite QB to even have a chance.  Get the elite QB and then get the balance

Jimmy Garappolo 

Jared Goff

Nick Foles

Colin Kaepernick

Joe Flacco

It gives you a great advantage to have a hall of fame caliber QB, but it's not necessary. 

 

[Hael]

7 minutes ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said:

Jimmy Garappolo 

Jared Goff

Nick Foles

Colin Kaepernick

Joe Flacco

It gives you a great advantage to have a hall of fame caliber QB, but it's not necessary. 

 

Except those guys get to one or two conference championships in their career, whereas Rogers/Brees/Ben/Brady etc are there rolling the dice almost every single year without fail.  
Brady has been in a Super Bowl over 50% of his healthy seasons.  

An elite QB is everything.

[TheNuuFaaolaExperience]

8 minutes ago, Hael said:

Except those guys get to one or two conference championships in their career, whereas Rogers/Brees/Ben/Brady etc are there rolling the dice almost every single year without fail.  
Brady has been in a Super Bowl over 50% of his healthy seasons.  

An elite QB is everything.

Except for the years when you don't need an elite QB to make it to, or win the Super Bowl. A great QB increases your chances, but is not necessary. Ask Tom Brady about Nick Foles. 

[CanadaSteve]

1 hour ago, Mo Lew said:

Aaron Rodgers being 1-4 in championship games is exactly why we need Watson.
 

Winning a chip with a top 3 qb is still a hell of a climb. 

The cost is irrelevant, there’s nothing more impactful.  Get it done JD. 

 

So, your argument is as follows:

1) Top three QB who never had enough talent around him,.goes 1-4 in NFC Championship games.

2) Top 5 QB who won't have enough talent around him, who is 1-2 in the playoffs, you want to attain 'at all costs,' which is likely three first round picks, possibly including the #2 overall.

Add my name to the list marked 'pass.'

[TheNuuFaaolaExperience]

35 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Roger has the same number of super bowl wins as:

Jim Plunkett

Doug Williams

Jeff Hostetler

Mark Rypien

Brad Johnson

Trent Dilfer

Joe Flacco

Nick Foles

Go after Watson by all means if the cost is reasonable, if not pass and build the team and keep looking for a QB.

You can only win the Super Bowl with an ELITE QB, your multiple examples are just an outliers.  

[The Crusher]

57 minutes ago, Warfish said:

The reason we need an elite QB is because one of the most elite QB's ever is a consistent loser in the biggest games.

Got it. 

Yeah but here is Tom Brady’s O-face. 
 

 

58 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said:

I feel like this is relevant 

 

 

[Joe Willie White Shoes]

1 hour ago, Beerfish said:

Roger has the same number of super bowl wins as:

Jim Plunkett

Doug Williams

Jeff Hostetler

Mark Rypien

Brad Johnson

Trent Dilfer

Joe Flacco

Nick Foles

Go after Watson by all means if the cost is reasonable, if not pass and build the team and keep looking for a QB.

Plunkett won 2.

[bgivs21]

Lol the argument is the exact opposite. You need a good team. Rodgers team let him down today (and bad coaching decisions). 

And so did the front office. There were a number of impact rookies they coukd have drafted instead of Jordan Love. Imagine if he had Claypool to throw to as well. 

[Nixhead]

There are only so many elite QBs in NFL history and I don’t mean great QBs that won 1 championship. The elites are  Montana, Brady, Bradshaw, Manning and Maholmes will be one. These guys were or are great QBs that won multiple Championships. There are many great QBs with 1 ring or maybe 2. That’s all the Jets need. The chances of getting an elite QB that wins multiple titles is minuscule - there’s been what 5 or 6 since 1970 so that’s 1 per decade. Jets have a better chance of building a real good team and getting a good QB to be great for 1 season or 2 than finding a once in a decade QB.

[nyjunc]

9 hours ago, Nixhead said:

There are only so many elite QBs in NFL history and I don’t mean great QBs that won 1 championship. The elites are  Montana, Brady, Bradshaw, Manning and Maholmes will be one. These guys were or are great QBs that won multiple Championships. There are many great QBs with 1 ring or maybe 2. That’s all the Jets need. The chances of getting an elite QB that wins multiple titles is minuscule - there’s been what 5 or 6 since 1970 so that’s 1 per decade. Jets have a better chance of building a real good team and getting a good QB to be great for 1 season or 2 than finding a once in a decade QB.

Peyton was definitely elite but both his SB titles were won on the back of great defense(just like his brother).  If Brady played in NE they win 5-6 SBs.

[rangerous]

10 hours ago, Beerfish said:

Roger has the same number of super bowl wins as:

Jim Plunkett

Doug Williams

Jeff Hostetler

Mark Rypien

Brad Johnson

Trent Dilfer

Joe Flacco

Nick Foles

Go after Watson by all means if the cost is reasonable, if not pass and build the team and keep looking for a QB.

plunkett has 2.  you must be thinking about stabler. add in theisman,

[ScarletKnight89]

I'd rather have a QB who has a bad record in championship games and Super Bowls, than a QB who has no record in those games because he doesn't play in them.

[PepPep]

11 hours ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said:

Except for the years when you don't need an elite QB to make it to, or win the Super Bowl. A great QB increases your chances, but is not necessary. Ask Tom Brady about Nick Foles. 

So whats your point lol? What's your argument? Obviously you don't HAVE to have an elite QB to win a SB. Everyone knows that. Trent Dilfer won one. But does it help. Yes. A LOT. Like, A LOT, A LOT. Because you have to get there first. You have to get through the regular season and the playoffs. It's critical to have an elite QB for those games. 

And if your argument is that paying an elite QB is somehow going to drain your resources so much that you won't be able to field a SB contenting team around him, well thats absurd. There are countless examples of elite QBs who had big contracts and made it to the big game or at least were on dominant teams that were good enough to compete for SBs year in year out. Pats, Saints, Hawks, Cowboys (90s), Bills (90s), Giants, I mean I can go on and on and on. It's a complete fallacy that you HAVE to win a SB with a QB under a rookie contract or you're in trouble b/c of his contract.  

[PepPep]

To me, you go after Watson because:

1. He is still young and in his prime.

2. The Jets have the draft capitol to get him without completely stripping their team of resources for the next 2-3 years. They could give up 3 first rounders and still have a high second and two 3rds this year, a 1st, 2nd and two 3rds next year, and all of their picks in 2023. And that does not include what they could get for Darnold or the improved draft pick they will get if the Giants resign Williams. 

3. The Jets are not hamstrung with cap and can afford Watson. They can work other contracts around his as needed top fit the cap. 

4. They would be getting, in theory, a bargain because Houston seems to be in a tough bargaining position. Sure, the Jets would have to give up a lot. But its a heck of a lot less than if Watson WASN'T forcing his way out. 

*Sidenote: I've heard a lot of people say- 'the Jets are not ONE player away from competing' as a reason to stay away from a Watson trade. But let's be honest. You bring in Watson, you give JD two move drafts/offseasons to rebuild this roster. Don't you think this team SHOULD be able to complete? JD is on board for 5 more years, Saleh is signed for 5 years, Watsons is an UDFA in 5 years, at which point he will be 31. That's it. This is the window. This is the time to turn this team around and compete. If you can't start to compete in the next two years and try to win in all in the next 5 then you have to start to rebuild again, probably with a new GM and a new coach and a new QB, etc.   

[Jetsfan80]

12 hours ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said:

Except for the years when you don't need an elite QB to make it to, or win the Super Bowl. A great QB increases your chances, but is not necessary. Ask Tom Brady about Nick Foles. 

And how many times does that happen, exactly?  2 times since around the time the Ty Law rule went into effect isn't a sustainable plan.  Meanwhile, you need Pro Bowlers all over your roster to make that happen. 

Jets fans constantly advocate for going after the most difficult path to a Super Bowl, probably due to the Sanchez years (where the Jets won 0 division titles or any other trophies).  Last year, it was the Tannehill/Derrick Henry route.  This year, no such option exists, so people point back to Flacco or Foles.  Just because it happens about once a decade doesn't mean its the way to go.

QB over everything.  While an elite QB guarantees you nothing, it at least gives you a shot.  This year's postseason, from the Divisional Round on, was littered with elite QB's.

[Jetsfan80]

12 hours ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said:

You can only win the Super Bowl with an ELITE QB, your multiple examples are just an outliers.  

All but 2 of those examples were before the Ty Law rule.  Ever since the rule changes started favoring QB's heavily, the ground & pound, defense first, hide-the-QB plan has clearly been proven to be the wrong approach.

And even in the year where Flacco won a Super Bowl, it was still elite QB play that drove things there.  Flacco threw for 11 TD's and 0 INT's in that playoff run, and had a QB Rating of about 120 over those 4 games.  He never matched that performance in his career again, but it was a hell of a one-hit-wonder. 

[Sperm Edwards]

13 hours ago, Beerfish said:

Roger has the same number of super bowl wins as:

Jim Plunkett

Doug Williams

Jeff Hostetler

Mark Rypien

Brad Johnson

Trent Dilfer

Joe Flacco

Nick Foles

Go after Watson by all means if the cost is reasonable, if not pass and build the team and keep looking for a QB.

First off remove half that list because today’s way of team-building bears little to no relevance to pre-FA and pre-salary cap. Never mind the deference typically given to elite QBs when they get so much as breathed on, and how much more holding is permitted by an elite QB’s line. Like refs pretty much never calling Jordan for a foul.

From there remove Dilfer, unless the plan is to “simply” build the best defense in the history of defenses. That sounds like a less realistic goal than a 10-year window with a top 3-5 QB.

So what’s left is Brad Johnson, whose own SB victory was aided by Callahan changing nothing from when Oak was Gruden’s team, & Gruden easily countering it as a result.

Anyway it’s such an uphill battle that way too many things need to go just right, and ultimately what you’re left with is, on top of that, also getting temporarily elite-level play from non-elite QBs like Flacco & Foles exactly when you need it to happen.

Just saying, exceptions don’t disprove the rule. It’s what makes them exceptions. 

No one wants to see the Jets trading away more as opposed to trading away less, but it’s a lot harder to build around a stiff than to build around a stud with a couple fewer 1st rounders (1/3 of which bust anyway). There’s no right & wrong; just which odds you’re more willing to live with.

[y2k8]

14 hours ago, Warfish said:

The reason we need an elite QB is because one of the most elite QB's ever is a consistent loser in the biggest games.

Got it. 

Yeah, I was confused why the OP provided evidence to contradict his own opinion.