Mo Lew 678 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Aaron Rodgers being 1-4 in championship games is exactly why we need Watson. Winning a chip with a top 3 qb is still a hell of a climb. The cost is irrelevant, there’s nothing more impactful. Get it done JD. 2 3 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
David Harris 6,235 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Love it - more threads! Not being sarcastic! get Watson! More threads now! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post Sonny Werblin 4,844 Posted January 25 Popular Post Share Posted January 25 I feel like this is relevant 4 13 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post Warfish 29,065 Posted January 25 Popular Post Share Posted January 25 The reason we need an elite QB is because one of the most elite QB's ever is a consistent loser in the biggest games. Got it. 7 1 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Popular Post New York Mick 95,334 Posted January 25 Popular Post Share Posted January 25 10 minutes ago, Mo Lew said: Aaron Rodgers being 1-4 in championship games is exactly why we need Watson. Winning a chip with a top 3 qb is still a hell of a climb. The cost is irrelevant, there’s nothing more impactful. Get it done JD. Rogers being 1-4 in championship games shows you need a balanced team not just a QB. 6 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lupz27 12,467 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 The rest of the NFL should pool their money together and buy Mahomes out, the league will be ruled by him for the next 15 years no reason to play the games. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheNuuFaaolaExperience 2,138 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 14 minutes ago, Mo Lew said: Aaron Rodgers being 1-4 in championship games is exactly why we need Watson. Winning a chip with a top 3 qb is still a hell of a climb. The cost is irrelevant, there’s nothing more impactful. Get it done JD. I don't get the logic. We need Watson because one of the greatest QBs to ever have played the game is 1-4 in the championship game? 1 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hungry jackson 105 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 8 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said: I feel like this is relevant Way to go TAMMY !! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
slimjasi 10,324 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 8 minutes ago, Lupz27 said: The rest of the NFL should pool their money together and buy Mahomes out, the league will be ruled by him for the next 15 years no reason to play the games. So the chiefs are just going to win the next 15 Super Bowls in a row? what are you saying here? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lupz27 12,467 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Just now, slimjasi said: So the chiefs are just going to win the next 15 Super Bowls in a row? what are you saying here? Yes 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
slimjasi 10,324 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Just now, Lupz27 said: Yes K Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Icer 3,216 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Dynasties fall apart faster than you think. Even Brady had a 10 year drought. The Warriors looked unstoppable, etc 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
David Harris 6,235 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 7 minutes ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said: I don't get the logic. We need Watson because one of the greatest QBs to ever have played the game is 1-4 in the championship game? lol, that’s fari but it’s also more than fair you need to START with an elite QB to even have a chance. Get the elite QB and then get the balance 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CanadienJetsFan 3,142 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Great. just what the site needed another Watson thread before the clock strikes midnight Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post Beerfish 33,498 Posted January 25 Popular Post Share Posted January 25 15 hours ago, Mo Lew said: Aaron Rodgers being 1-4 in championship games is exactly why we need Watson. Winning a chip with a top 3 qb is still a hell of a climb. The cost is irrelevant, there’s nothing more impactful. Get it done JD. Rogers has the same number of super bowl wins as: Jim Plunkett Doug Williams Jeff Hostetler Mark Rypien Brad Johnson Trent Dilfer Joe Flacco Nick Foles Go after Watson by all means if the cost is reasonable, if not pass and build the team and keep looking for a QB. 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheNuuFaaolaExperience 2,138 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 15 minutes ago, David Harris said: lol, that’s fari but it’s also more than fair you need to START with an elite QB to even have a chance. Get the elite QB and then get the balance Jimmy Garappolo Jared Goff Nick Foles Colin Kaepernick Joe Flacco It gives you a great advantage to have a hall of fame caliber QB, but it's not necessary. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hael 597 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 7 minutes ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said: Jimmy Garappolo Jared Goff Nick Foles Colin Kaepernick Joe Flacco It gives you a great advantage to have a hall of fame caliber QB, but it's not necessary. Except those guys get to one or two conference championships in their career, whereas Rogers/Brees/Ben/Brady etc are there rolling the dice almost every single year without fail. Brady has been in a Super Bowl over 50% of his healthy seasons. An elite QB is everything. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheNuuFaaolaExperience 2,138 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 8 minutes ago, Hael said: Except those guys get to one or two conference championships in their career, whereas Rogers/Brees/Ben/Brady etc are there rolling the dice almost every single year without fail. Brady has been in a Super Bowl over 50% of his healthy seasons. An elite QB is everything. Except for the years when you don't need an elite QB to make it to, or win the Super Bowl. A great QB increases your chances, but is not necessary. Ask Tom Brady about Nick Foles. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CanadaSteve 5,469 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 1 hour ago, Mo Lew said: Aaron Rodgers being 1-4 in championship games is exactly why we need Watson. Winning a chip with a top 3 qb is still a hell of a climb. The cost is irrelevant, there’s nothing more impactful. Get it done JD. So, your argument is as follows: 1) Top three QB who never had enough talent around him,.goes 1-4 in NFC Championship games. 2) Top 5 QB who won't have enough talent around him, who is 1-2 in the playoffs, you want to attain 'at all costs,' which is likely three first round picks, possibly including the #2 overall. Add my name to the list marked 'pass.' 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheNuuFaaolaExperience 2,138 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 35 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Roger has the same number of super bowl wins as: Jim Plunkett Doug Williams Jeff Hostetler Mark Rypien Brad Johnson Trent Dilfer Joe Flacco Nick Foles Go after Watson by all means if the cost is reasonable, if not pass and build the team and keep looking for a QB. You can only win the Super Bowl with an ELITE QB, your multiple examples are just an outliers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Crusher 219,738 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 57 minutes ago, Warfish said: The reason we need an elite QB is because one of the most elite QB's ever is a consistent loser in the biggest games. Got it. Yeah but here is Tom Brady’s O-face. 58 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said: I feel like this is relevant Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joe Willie White Shoes 695 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 1 hour ago, Beerfish said: Roger has the same number of super bowl wins as: Jim Plunkett Doug Williams Jeff Hostetler Mark Rypien Brad Johnson Trent Dilfer Joe Flacco Nick Foles Go after Watson by all means if the cost is reasonable, if not pass and build the team and keep looking for a QB. Plunkett won 2. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bgivs21 701 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Lol the argument is the exact opposite. You need a good team. Rodgers team let him down today (and bad coaching decisions). And so did the front office. There were a number of impact rookies they coukd have drafted instead of Jordan Love. Imagine if he had Claypool to throw to as well. 3 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nixhead 1,988 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 There are only so many elite QBs in NFL history and I don’t mean great QBs that won 1 championship. The elites are Montana, Brady, Bradshaw, Manning and Maholmes will be one. These guys were or are great QBs that won multiple Championships. There are many great QBs with 1 ring or maybe 2. That’s all the Jets need. The chances of getting an elite QB that wins multiple titles is minuscule - there’s been what 5 or 6 since 1970 so that’s 1 per decade. Jets have a better chance of building a real good team and getting a good QB to be great for 1 season or 2 than finding a once in a decade QB. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nyjunc 10,906 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 9 hours ago, Nixhead said: There are only so many elite QBs in NFL history and I don’t mean great QBs that won 1 championship. The elites are Montana, Brady, Bradshaw, Manning and Maholmes will be one. These guys were or are great QBs that won multiple Championships. There are many great QBs with 1 ring or maybe 2. That’s all the Jets need. The chances of getting an elite QB that wins multiple titles is minuscule - there’s been what 5 or 6 since 1970 so that’s 1 per decade. Jets have a better chance of building a real good team and getting a good QB to be great for 1 season or 2 than finding a once in a decade QB. Peyton was definitely elite but both his SB titles were won on the back of great defense(just like his brother). If Brady played in NE they win 5-6 SBs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rangerous 4,026 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 10 hours ago, Beerfish said: Roger has the same number of super bowl wins as: Jim Plunkett Doug Williams Jeff Hostetler Mark Rypien Brad Johnson Trent Dilfer Joe Flacco Nick Foles Go after Watson by all means if the cost is reasonable, if not pass and build the team and keep looking for a QB. plunkett has 2. you must be thinking about stabler. add in theisman, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ScarletKnight89 3,519 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 I'd rather have a QB who has a bad record in championship games and Super Bowls, than a QB who has no record in those games because he doesn't play in them. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PepPep 2,516 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 11 hours ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said: Except for the years when you don't need an elite QB to make it to, or win the Super Bowl. A great QB increases your chances, but is not necessary. Ask Tom Brady about Nick Foles. So whats your point lol? What's your argument? Obviously you don't HAVE to have an elite QB to win a SB. Everyone knows that. Trent Dilfer won one. But does it help. Yes. A LOT. Like, A LOT, A LOT. Because you have to get there first. You have to get through the regular season and the playoffs. It's critical to have an elite QB for those games. And if your argument is that paying an elite QB is somehow going to drain your resources so much that you won't be able to field a SB contenting team around him, well thats absurd. There are countless examples of elite QBs who had big contracts and made it to the big game or at least were on dominant teams that were good enough to compete for SBs year in year out. Pats, Saints, Hawks, Cowboys (90s), Bills (90s), Giants, I mean I can go on and on and on. It's a complete fallacy that you HAVE to win a SB with a QB under a rookie contract or you're in trouble b/c of his contract. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PepPep 2,516 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 To me, you go after Watson because: 1. He is still young and in his prime. 2. The Jets have the draft capitol to get him without completely stripping their team of resources for the next 2-3 years. They could give up 3 first rounders and still have a high second and two 3rds this year, a 1st, 2nd and two 3rds next year, and all of their picks in 2023. And that does not include what they could get for Darnold or the improved draft pick they will get if the Giants resign Williams. 3. The Jets are not hamstrung with cap and can afford Watson. They can work other contracts around his as needed top fit the cap. 4. They would be getting, in theory, a bargain because Houston seems to be in a tough bargaining position. Sure, the Jets would have to give up a lot. But its a heck of a lot less than if Watson WASN'T forcing his way out. *Sidenote: I've heard a lot of people say- 'the Jets are not ONE player away from competing' as a reason to stay away from a Watson trade. But let's be honest. You bring in Watson, you give JD two move drafts/offseasons to rebuild this roster. Don't you think this team SHOULD be able to complete? JD is on board for 5 more years, Saleh is signed for 5 years, Watsons is an UDFA in 5 years, at which point he will be 31. That's it. This is the window. This is the time to turn this team around and compete. If you can't start to compete in the next two years and try to win in all in the next 5 then you have to start to rebuild again, probably with a new GM and a new coach and a new QB, etc. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jetsfan80 121,146 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 12 hours ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said: Except for the years when you don't need an elite QB to make it to, or win the Super Bowl. A great QB increases your chances, but is not necessary. Ask Tom Brady about Nick Foles. And how many times does that happen, exactly? 2 times since around the time the Ty Law rule went into effect isn't a sustainable plan. Meanwhile, you need Pro Bowlers all over your roster to make that happen. Jets fans constantly advocate for going after the most difficult path to a Super Bowl, probably due to the Sanchez years (where the Jets won 0 division titles or any other trophies). Last year, it was the Tannehill/Derrick Henry route. This year, no such option exists, so people point back to Flacco or Foles. Just because it happens about once a decade doesn't mean its the way to go. QB over everything. While an elite QB guarantees you nothing, it at least gives you a shot. This year's postseason, from the Divisional Round on, was littered with elite QB's. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jetsfan80 121,146 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 12 hours ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said: You can only win the Super Bowl with an ELITE QB, your multiple examples are just an outliers. All but 2 of those examples were before the Ty Law rule. Ever since the rule changes started favoring QB's heavily, the ground & pound, defense first, hide-the-QB plan has clearly been proven to be the wrong approach. And even in the year where Flacco won a Super Bowl, it was still elite QB play that drove things there. Flacco threw for 11 TD's and 0 INT's in that playoff run, and had a QB Rating of about 120 over those 4 games. He never matched that performance in his career again, but it was a hell of a one-hit-wonder. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sperm Edwards 346,974 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 13 hours ago, Beerfish said: Roger has the same number of super bowl wins as: Jim Plunkett Doug Williams Jeff Hostetler Mark Rypien Brad Johnson Trent Dilfer Joe Flacco Nick Foles Go after Watson by all means if the cost is reasonable, if not pass and build the team and keep looking for a QB. First off remove half that list because today’s way of team-building bears little to no relevance to pre-FA and pre-salary cap. Never mind the deference typically given to elite QBs when they get so much as breathed on, and how much more holding is permitted by an elite QB’s line. Like refs pretty much never calling Jordan for a foul. From there remove Dilfer, unless the plan is to “simply” build the best defense in the history of defenses. That sounds like a less realistic goal than a 10-year window with a top 3-5 QB. So what’s left is Brad Johnson, whose own SB victory was aided by Callahan changing nothing from when Oak was Gruden’s team, & Gruden easily countering it as a result. Anyway it’s such an uphill battle that way too many things need to go just right, and ultimately what you’re left with is, on top of that, also getting temporarily elite-level play from non-elite QBs like Flacco & Foles exactly when you need it to happen. Just saying, exceptions don’t disprove the rule. It’s what makes them exceptions. No one wants to see the Jets trading away more as opposed to trading away less, but it’s a lot harder to build around a stiff than to build around a stud with a couple fewer 1st rounders (1/3 of which bust anyway). There’s no right & wrong; just which odds you’re more willing to live with. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
y2k8 1,578 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 14 hours ago, Warfish said: The reason we need an elite QB is because one of the most elite QB's ever is a consistent loser in the biggest games. Got it. Yeah, I was confused why the OP provided evidence to contradict his own opinion. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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