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48 minutes ago, pointman said:

Thanks for this. Also, if you had to guess.. HAD TO.. gun to your head via a hurting fanbase.. do we get Watson? DO WE?? 

How could anyone say yes to this, though?

There are so many potential outcomes here.

Deshaun and Texans make up.

Texans refuse to trade him, Deshaun sits.

Texans willing to trade him, but announce only to an NFC team.

Texans trade him to the Dolphins.

Texans trade him to the Bears.

Texans trade him to the 49ers.

Texans trade him to the Steelers.

Texans trade him to any of the 30 other teams.

Jets don't want to give up enough.

Jets actually like Darnold (kill me).

Deshaun doesn't like the Jets.

The chances of this happening are extremely small.

However, I also believe that if the Texans trade him, they have to get the #2 overall pick.  So, it's the Jets or the Jets as part of a 3 team deal.

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Just for me personally, I think we should build up the OL and give Sweet Sammy another shot, we can always trade for a 25-year-old top-5 QB a year from now. JMO

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1 hour ago, bitonti said:

mogglez and I essentially agree on the outcome

watson will not be a New York Jets player 

stop quibbling over style points 

First it was, the Texans will never trade him.

Now it's, the Jets won't get him.

What next?  Watson will never re-sign here?

 

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1 hour ago, TeddEY said:

How many trades per year do you need?  Turns out, players don't get traded that often.

how many did they trade this year? Adams, Bell, McClendon im probably forgetting another 

yes the Jets did at one point care enough to trade for good players (they traded for Percy Harvin and Kelechi Osemele does that count too?)

it's different than proving they currently care enough to trade for Watson or even want to resign the players they have

if anything its evidence to how long ago they last gave a damn 

 

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18 minutes ago, dcJet said:

Hey Ben.  My fin fan friend doesn't want Watson either.  He wants massive haul trade down to someone wanting to jump Atlanta for the third QB,   He would rather roll with Tua and draft picks.

How say you? 

Kinda the same. I'm hoping for Tua, but want a strong team built thur the draft. We dumped a lot of disgruntled players the year before last year just like the Jets did this year.

I don't see either the fins or Jets GM's picking up a disgruntled player even though he's considered top 5 unless it's a steal.

Anywho, JN has some quality posters here with great online personalities...and I'm not joking about my drunk uncle Johnny...lol

 

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3 hours ago, thebuzzardman said:

It would be sort of amusing if the Jets pass on Watson, don't draft a QB and Sam sucks as usual, even with a new coach, improved line and weaponz. 

Oh, and the defense wins them 8 games so the Jets are drafting mid first, so all the good QB's are gone in 2022 as well. 

 

In all scenarios other than Watson we take a QB in RD1

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8 minutes ago, bitonti said:

how many did they trade this year? Adams, Bell, McClendon im probably forgetting another 

yes the Jets did at one point care enough to trade for good players (they traded for Percy Harvin and Kelechi Osemele does that count too?)

it's different than proving they currently care enough to trade for Watson 

if anything its evidence to how long ago they last gave a damn 

 

There was no smart trade to be made for a player this year, until now.

Adams was a coup for a situational pass rusher who makes pass defenses worse.  Best thing this organization has done in a long time.  He got a lot of sacks this year, but he also may have just about single handedly cost them the playoff game and came in with a PFF rating of 64 or something.  20 points behind Marcus Maye.

Bell was a salary dump after a disasterous Mac signing..  He's been so great he hasn't seen the field for the chiefs in the playoffs. 

McClendon was a gift to a veteran player who was a redundancy.  Allow him to play out his career somewhere else, rather than going down with the ship.

All three of these were good trades for the Jets.  What trade didn't they make that they should have?

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19 minutes ago, TeddEY said:

I don't think Deshaun has a move here.  He requested a trade and I believe let it be known he's willing to sit out.  If the Texans want to forgo draft compensation in 2021, they can certainly call his bluff or hope he changes his mind.  But, so far as I can tell, that's where things stand.

April 5: Clubs with new head coaches may begin offseason workout programs.

Deshaun boycotts or shows up and does a Harden on a bag of footballs.

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2 minutes ago, Mike135 said:

I think it's Watson or Sam.

I see no way a new HC rolls with a 4th year QB that has not developed. Likelihood of him getting traded is close to 100%

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7 minutes ago, TeddEY said:

There was no smart trade to be made for a player this year, until now.

Adams was a coup for a situational pass rusher who makes pass defenses worse.  Best thing this organization has done in a long time.  He got a lot of sacks this year, but he also may have just about single handedly cost them the playoff game and came in with a PFF rating of 64 or something.  20 points behind Marcus Maye.

Bell was a salary dump.  He's been so great he hasn't seen the field for the chiefs in the playoffs.

McClendon was a gift to a veteran player who was a redundancy.  Allow him to play out his career somewhere else, rather than going down with the ship.

All three of these were good trades for the Jets.  What trade didn't they make that they should have?

proving these are smart trades is different than proving that the Jets have gone from seller to buyer

the Jets may be not actively selling because there's nothing left to sell, or because JD accomplished his goal of smoking out Gase. 

Im not going to get into the Adams weeds again but there's nothing to stop them from extending Marcus Maye right now, if he's so darn great

I don't like the logic of "there was never this opportunity before therefore they will do something totally out of character" 

we don't know what opportunities they did or didn't have. I can't answer that question in bold without having a tap on Joe Douglas' phone. 

end of the day the Jets are probably building rather than selling but that's not the same as binge buying. Watson would be like going out and getting a Mercedes when you really needed a pickup truck. he's the cherry on top of a sundae not the bowl.  

this prime of his career that makes him so valuable, the Jets would waste the best years of trying to cobble together an offense 

 

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14 minutes ago, Ben Had said:

Kinda the same. I'm hoping for Tua, but want a strong team built thur the draft. We dumped a lot of disgruntled players the year before last year just like the Jets did this year.

I don't see either the fins or Jets GM's picking up a disgruntled player even though he's considered top 5 unless it's a steal.

Anywho, JN has some quality posters here with great online personalities...and I'm not joking about my drunk uncle Johnny...lol

 

Yeah, I live in Florida, and really don't know many Fin fans who want to trade for Watson.  Maybe 25%.  Most of them really like Tua.  The Fins themselves, at least publicly, seem all in on Tua.

I'm getting the feeling that if Miami isn't interested, the cost for Watson isn't going to be ridiculously high.  We'll see how this all plays out.

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1 hour ago, TeddEY said:

I don't think Deshaun has a move here.  He requested a trade and I believe let it be known he's willing to sit out.  If the Texans want to forgo draft compensation in 2021, they can certainly call his bluff or hope he changes his mind.  But, so far as I can tell, that's where things stand.

The intersting thing to me as to how all this will play out is that Deshaun really does not gain any leverage until training camp, when he can begin to sit out.  But if the Texans want to trade him, they will need to move him before the draft.  Not only do they want resources to help this year, but they also have Division rivals with multiple firsts this year, both including top 5 overall picks that are interested in a deal.

Do they maximize their return and make a deal before the draft, or call his bluff and potentially settle for less with the return coming a year later if Watson does sit out.

Will be interesting to see how they play this game of chicken.  Tough spot for the first time GM to find himself in.

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5 hours ago, Matt39 said:

Watson resigned with Houston after they traded Hopkins, so he knew upfront what was going on. Watson is a great player, but you can’t be the GM and then high tail it to Cabo and expect the franchise to follow your every demand. There seems to be issues on both sides here and the fact that Watson seems to be Teflon in the media right now should make teams nervous. Houston was up big on the Chiefs in the playoffs last year, are always in the playoffs and now they’re garbage? Nah.

I mean their defense this year was ranked 478 out of 480 over the last 15 years. I'm pretty sure Watson signed while Bill O'Brien was there, if you are Watson and your HC is fired, I think you should have a hand in that process. To have that pulled out from under you after you were asked your opinion seems like the team is operating in bad faith. 

 

Watson is wrong for wanting to sign and be out but I'm not sure he signed initially with that in mind the way someone like Antonio Brown did.

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4 hours ago, football guy said:

I absolutely agree they're hiring minority coaches for PR purposes now, but point I'm making is that the initial grievance of Watson's reps (which they liked, retweeted, and confirmed in a variety of different ways) was that the Texans aren't woke enough and not including Deshaun on the decision to hire Caserio was the camel that broke his back. That's not it. His team even acknowledges that Caserio was probably the right hire. They already did a ton of research on him (tampering) and Watson knew or should've known Caserio was going to eventually be the guy when he signed his contract. Caserio was clearly the best candidate of the crop Korn Ferry produced. I don't think you'll find anyone denying that. They abandoned the process, yes, but ended up with the right GM. So you're mad because the team hired the best candidate without telling you first? Please. 

None of those things are the real reasons why he wants out. He wants out because when he and his reps started asking around the league, trying to see what coaches would be interested, they didn't like what they heard back. It was an "awakening" of sorts which should have been painfully obvious... this team is years away from contention. 

 

Yea I agree the rebuild aspect and the inability to attract a good HC are the biggest issues. Idk as a football fan, I would hate to see Watson waste him prime on a bad team. As a more analytical fan, I think it would be silly for the Texans to hold onto Watson for a 2-3 year rebuild. It's hard to find a franchise QB, which is why Houston will stand pat on him being the guy but if he is that important to your franchise, why wouldn't you consult him?

It feels like they just want to flex their muscles on Watson.

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29 minutes ago, bitonti said:

proving these are smart trades is different than proving that the Jets have gone from seller to buyer

the Jets may be not actively selling because there's nothing left to sell, or because JD accomplished his goal of smoking out Gase. 

Im not going to get into the Adams weeds again but there's nothing to stop them from extending Marcus Maye right now, if he's so darn great

I don't like the logic of "there was never this opportunity before therefore they will do something totally out of character" 

we don't know what opportunities they did or didn't have. I can't answer that question in bold without having a tap on Joe Douglas' phone. 

end of the day the Jets are probably building rather than selling but that's not the same as binge buying. Watson would be like going out and getting a Mercedes when you really needed a pickup truck. he's the cherry on top of a sundae not the bowl.  

this prime of his career that makes him so valuable, the Jets would waste the best years of trying to cobble together an offense 

 

Bad teams are almost always sellers, no?

And, the point is that it's not "out of character" as they did just what you're advocating them to do when they were closer to a championship.  So, the real take away should be that the Jets may very well become buyers again when the roster merits it.  Just like they did with Holmes or Edwards or Marshall.  Or, like they did when the traded up for Sanchez, if we want to absolve a move of it's outcome.

There's no evidence for your take overall.  There's only evidence that what you accuse the Jets of doing for characterological reasons is that it is what they're doing right now.  However, what they're doing now is not what they've always done, and what they're doing now (with the aforementioned trades and not taking on big contracts) is in line with smart football decision-making.  So, maybe they're just doing the right thing because it's the right thing.  Not because it's the cheap thing?

And, even with the depleted resources from the trade, it should not take years to build a team around Watson.  I suspect, frankly, that we're not as far off as some like to think.  To use your car metaphor, I'd take my chances with Chase Elliot in a Hyundai over a blind man in a Ferrari.

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2 hours ago, Mogglez said:

For what it’s worth (again lol), this is why I feel how long Houston is willing to play hardball plays a huge role.  Caserio just said at their press conference for Cully that they have zero intentions of trading Deshaun.  There is no doubt in my mind that this is a message to Watson.

If this looks like it will linger beyond the draft, which it might, count a lot of teams out.

I certainly could see that happening if it does indeed last beyond the draft.  But if I'm a GM, I'm hopeful that Houston fails to trade Watson prior to the draft.  After the draft, with 2021 capital off the table and the 2022 draft a long way away, I'd be happy to pounce and trade for Watson then.  

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15 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

I certainly could see that happening if it does indeed last beyond the draft.  But if I'm a GM, I'm hopeful that Houston fails to trade Watson prior to the draft.  After the draft, with 2021 capital off the table and the 2022 draft a long way away, I'd be happy to pounce and trade for Watson then.  

HOU would be insane to hold him past the draft only to trade him before the season.  

But then with Voldemort pulling all the strings, who knows what they'll actually do.

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57 minutes ago, Lith said:

The intersting thing to me as to how all this will play out is that Deshaun really does not gain any leverage until training camp, when he can begin to sit out.  But if the Texans want to trade him, they will need to move him before the draft.  Not only do they want resources to help this year, but they also have Division rivals with multiple firsts this year, both including top 5 overall picks that are interested in the pick.

Do they maximize their return and make a deal before the draft, or call his bluff and potentially settle for less with the return coming a year later if Watson does sit out.

Will be interesting to see how they play this game of chicken.  Tough spot for the first time GM to find himself in.

This is a great post. It reminds me just how good Joe Douglas performed last year with the Jamal Adams trade. It turned ugly real quick with Jamal shooting his big mouth off letting teams know it was over for him staying a Jet. So there goes any leverage we had and by some miracle JD was able to still get 2 1st's , a 3rd and a player in return for him.... Bravo Joe D! ..Now its time for an encore.

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22 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

If that nightmare scenario does play out, I'll still acknowledge Watson's greatness while he's in Miami, while comparing it to a Marino scenario.  And f**k Maccagnan for passing on him in the first place.

Yep...Could've walked away with DW and Dalvin cook in that draft. Still gives me nightmares. 

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2 hours ago, dcJet said:

But JD needs to drive up the price.  If Fins get Watson for less than 3 ones, he failed big time.

How does driving up the price matter if Watson doesn't want to come to the Jets? Am I nuts or does Watson not have a no trade clause?

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In the end after a trade is made or not it will be interesting to see how Douglas and the Jets are viewed.   Because it is the Jets I think no matter what they do they will get killed for it.

If we deal for him and give up the massive price it will take, the Jets are fools for mortgaging the future on one player when you have no team talent.  If they do not trade for him they will be fools for not paying the price to get a top notch Qb and letting some other team out bid them.

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1 hour ago, TeddEY said:

Bad teams are almost always sellers, no?

And, the point is that it's not "out of character" as they did just what you're advocating them to do when they were closer to a championship.  So, the real take away should be that the Jets may very well become buyers again when the roster merits it.  Just like they did with Holmes or Edwards or Marshall.  Or, like they did when the traded up for Sanchez, if we want to absolve a move of it's outcome.

There's no evidence for your take overall.  

Braylon Edwards and Brandon Marshall these are names from ancient history 

They used to try, yes. Like a decade ago

What have you done for me lately, Eddie? 

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21 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

I thought this was an interesting take.

 

That is interesting.  I wonder if the NFL is fearful of this becoming the NBA where players start picking their destinations even when under contract.

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2 hours ago, dcJet said:

First it was, the Texans will never trade him.

Now it's, the Jets won't get him.

What next?  Watson will never re-sign here?

 

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to assume that things will work out poorly for the Jets no matter how things go down. You root for this franchise long enough and getting punted in the nuts annually becomes the norm. If a guy can’t specify on exactly how it’s gonna happen who cares.

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2 hours ago, flgreen said:

Yeah, I live in Florida, and really don't know many Fin fans who want to trade for Watson.  Maybe 25%.  Most of them really like Tua.  The Fins themselves, at least publicly, seem all in on Tua.

I'm getting the feeling that if Miami isn't interested, the cost for Watson isn't going to be ridiculously high.  We'll see how this all plays out.

I think it would be real hard for a GM and HC to pick him up. Watson makes more per year than the entire coaching staff, maybe twice.

It will be an owners decision. The big question would be do you trust him? He already wants out because he wasn't involved in the GM hire...I hope we stay away.

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11 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to assume that things will work out poorly for the Jets no matter how things go down. You root for this franchise long enough and getting punted in the nuts annually becomes the norm. If a guy can’t specify on exactly how it’s gonna happen who cares.

And I mean how exact is exact. Everybody knew they were going to blow their shot at Lawrence by winning a meaningless game in December but an actual bet on first win Rams paid out six figs.

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24 minutes ago, Waka Flocka Flacco said:

And I mean how exact is exact. Everybody knew they were going to blow their shot at Lawrence by winning a meaningless game in December but an actual bet on first win Rams paid out six figs.

 

On 12/16/2020 at 3:28 PM, RutgersJetFan said:

Winning meaningless December games is the one thing that this franchise does better than anyone in the NFL. This is by no means a done deal yet. 

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3 hours ago, Ben Had said:

Kinda the same. I'm hoping for Tua, but want a strong team built thur the draft. We dumped a lot of disgruntled players the year before last year just like the Jets did this year.

I don't see either the fins or Jets GM's picking up a disgruntled player even though he's considered top 5 unless it's a steal.

Anywho, JN has some quality posters here with great online personalities...and I'm not joking about my drunk uncle Johnny...lol

 

personally, unless they’re antagonistic, I enjoy having other team’s fans post here.

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