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1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

Oh word. I don’t think he’s irredeemable, but I wonder if he’s irredeemable here, specifically. The current roster has now seen three years of underwhelming play and shoegazing from the QB, and I think it’s hard for any player to change the narrative among the dudes who you’ve let down so consistently.

You have a point. I don't really know. You can look at it a few ways. If he's redeemable, what does he need to reach his potential? Probably needs great offensive coaching/support system - a staff that will implement a scheme that suits his strengths, and minimize his weaknesses/make them strengths by simplifying the game and allowing him to play rather than think while putting high emphasis on coaching the fundamentals/mechanics. Having an improved surrounding talent helps as well of course. 

Change of scenery definitely has an impact: it hits different when you walk into a new company. However, I think there is reason for cautious optimism in that the new offensive coaching staff is extremely talented, will implement a scheme that definitely suits his strengths/masks his current weaknesses, and Douglas will be bringing in a ton of offensive talent. Whether or not it all works I have no idea, but it's a solid hedge 

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12 minutes ago, football guy said:

Confidence is on a scale, and what I mean to say is that his confidence doesn't look totally broken. Has he lost confidence? Of course. Being said, every QB goes through that... a QB who struggles isn't directly attributed to having lost all confidence/being emotionally shot, which is too much of an oversimplification. You don't see the persistent sour body language, lackadaisicalness, detachment from his teammates, happy feet in the pocket, disinterest in taking hits which is pretty apparent for guys who are emotionally broken. If watch the tape his issues are very easily identifiable mostly due to three things: (1) confusion; (2) scheme; and (3) mechanics. 

I think he was overwhelmed by what was asked of him in Gase's "Peyton Manning" offense, and being overwhelmed can lead to regressed confidence, sure, but in no way do I see it as a someone who has lost his confidence indefinitely the way you see with other QBs who have been total busts. 

so the reason darnold was so bad was because Gase's offense was TOO good?  only a guy like Peyton Manning could run it?!

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Just now, bitonti said:

An offer that was not accepted is not a fact. It's hearsay 

Contracts are facts 

No. An offered contract is an offered contract and still factually exists. Multiple sources indicate that Cousins’s turned down money to play where he wanted to play. Unless you think the Jets offer more money and then we’re gonna rescind the offer. That’s beneath hearsay, that’s just you.

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Just now, kdels62 said:

No. An offered contract is an offered contract and still factually exists. Multiple sources indicate that Cousins’s turned down money to play where he wanted to play. Unless you think the Jets offer more money and then we’re gonna rescind the offer. That’s beneath hearsay, that’s just you.

Multiple sources you say? Like Manish? He's a source from the kirk cousins Era 

 the kirk cousins story is (if true) a story about how a player used the Jets for leverage to go where he really wanted to go 

Watson is using the Jets to get to Miami or carolina or some place he really wants to go 

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6 minutes ago, bitonti said:

To further the metaphor... What happens next? This isn't a story about how the divorcee has a stable 10 year relationship with our "hero" 

It's only a matter of time before the nude selfies get send to the next rescue party 

 

You cannot live your life worrying about the next 10” dick that comes along. All you can do is make sure your 10” dick is as firm and clean as it can be for as long as you can keep it that way. If you have a girl that’s ok with your nasty, unclean dick, then you don’t have a girl worth keeping around. 

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59 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

If the Seahawks give Adams $20 mil, how much does Marcus Maye—who graded out far better than Adams in most every metric other than “unblocked sacks”—get in his contract?

Pass rushers get paid for pass rushing 

Marcus maye by the way should be extended by now, if he's so great and the Jets are so responsible 

 

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2 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Multiple sources you say? Like Manish? He's a source from the kirk cousins Era 

 the kirk cousins story is (if true) a story about how a player used the Jets for leverage to go where he really wanted to go 

Watson is using the Jets to get to Miami or carolina or some place he really wants to go 

Okay... but you’re still wrong and the point about spending or willingness to spend is still invalid. If Kirk Cousins used the Jets to get more money it indicates that the Jets were willing to spend more money. 

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1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

You cannot live your life worrying about the next 10” dick that comes along. 

LOL easier said than done 

Or maybe don't build a program based on viagra 

Watson would really love Florham Park today. It's like 4 degrees outside 

I've yet to see any explanation why Watson would actually want this 

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8 minutes ago, football guy said:

You have a point. I don't really know. You can look at it a few ways. If he's redeemable, what does he need to reach his potential? Probably needs great offensive coaching/support system - a staff that will implement a scheme that suits his strengths, and minimize his weaknesses/make them strengths by simplifying the game and allowing him to play rather than think while putting high emphasis on coaching the fundamentals/mechanics. Having an improved surrounding talent helps as well of course. 

Change of scenery definitely has an impact: it hits different when you walk into a new company. However, I think there is reason for cautious optimism in that the new offensive coaching staff is extremely talented, will implement a scheme that definitely suits his strengths/masks his current weaknesses, and Douglas will be bringing in a ton of offensive talent. Whether or not it all works I have no idea, but it's a solid hedge 

Normally, the route to rehabilitating a struggling, young QB is to excise the locker room of guys who vocally dislike playing with the QB, and to reconfigure the offense around that QBs strengths, limited though they may be. The most glaring example would be Eli with Tiki and Shockey, I guess. Fortunately, this Jets team doesn’t have any players on it who seem to viscerally hate Sam, nor any who are good enough (at the skill positions) to cater to anyway. 

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7 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Multiple sources you say? Like Manish? He's a source from the kirk cousins Era 

 the kirk cousins story is (if true) a story about how a player used the Jets for leverage to go where he really wanted to go 

Watson is using the Jets to get to Miami or carolina or some place he really wants to go 

Or Watson actually does want to come here. Nobody knows for sure.

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4 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Pass rushers get paid for pass rushing 

Marcus maye by the way should be extended by now, if he's so great and the Jets are so responsible 

 

Jamal Adams is not a pass rusher. If he was being graded as a pass rusher, he’d be at the bottom of the league in terms of win rate, I’d imagine. Here is a lovely article from a Seahawks writer discussing how pyrrhic Jamal’s sacks are, including a telling quote from Carroll about what blitzing Jamal is costing the defense.

“Going into the Jets game, Adams had blitzed 77 times in eight games. He’s averaging 9.6 blitzes a game, which is by far the most of any player in the league.

The only other defensive back in the top-20 for blitzing is Budda Baker. He blitzes 5.3 times a game — nearly half as much as Adams. Keanu Neal blitzes 1.6 times a game.

When Carroll was asked on 710 ESPN this morningif Adams is a “unicorn” (meaning is he the only person capable of doing this) — he rejected the premise and stated:

“He’s getting a lot of opportunities you know, we’re giving him some shots. I heard somebody say he averages up close to 10 rushes a game. That’s a lot of rushes for a DB.”

The media is stuck on ‘wow wow wow wow’ (said in the Screen Rant pitch-meeting style — check it out on YouTube) when actually, we need to look closely at how the sacks are being achieved.

For his 10 rushes per game Adams had 7.5 sacks and 21 pressures before week 14. On average he creates a sack and 2.5 pressures.

The Seahawks have manufactured production for Adams in a way I don’t think anyone has ever done in the NFL before. Not at defensive back.

The result is he has earned a new record.

For example — last year in New York (when he was playing for the blitz-happy Gregg Williams), he only averaged 6.4 blitzes per game. It’s quite something that the Seahawks are blitzing him more than Williams did.

Of course, it’s their duty to get the most out of a player who cost so much via trade. You could also argue the Seahawks badly needed to manufacture sack production given how poor the pass rush was early in the season.

Blitzing comes with a consequence, however.

Take this play yesterday:

Sam Darnold snaps the ball on 3rd and 4 with 18 seconds remaining in the first half. The Jets were at their own 37-yard line and well out of field goal range.

The Seahawks have a defensive lineman drop into coverage and they blitz Adams and a linebacker.

The dropping D-liner covers the space also occupied by Bobby Wagner and for some reason Ugo Amadi. There are basically three players in close proximity with nobody covering Braxton Berrios on a crossing route.

It’s a total bust.

Firstly, there was absolutely no need to call this blitz. Perhaps the Seahawks felt they could be especially aggressive against an 0-12 Jets team with a 20-point lead? Even so, the call should’ve ended up costing them points (and would’ve done if Sergio Castillo didn’t miss his third field goal in one half).

Secondly, the defensive call is so badly executed.

Right before the snap Wagner is yelling and pointing at Amadi, seemingly instructing him to get over to the right hand side. He is pointing directly at Berrios and seems to identify the looming problem.

However, this only occurs with six seconds left on the play clock. The Jets didn’t snap the ball quickly to catch Seattle off guard, so it’s unclear why they were disorganised.

When Amadi doesn’t switch positions, Wagner turns his back on the line of scrimmage and looks to Quandre Diggs to identify Berrios as needing to be covered. In his desperate attempt to avert the danger, Wagner isn’t even facing the football when the ball is snapped. It’s a complete coverage bust — and the Seahawks (or at least Wagner) could see what was coming.

The play went for about 35-yards.

Carroll’s defense has always been known for its relative simplicity. The focus is on execution and having players who can tilt the field, doing their jobs well.

I suspect the heavy blitzing is causing plays like the one above. Instead of being able to sit in a fairly basic coverage, with everyone properly lined up and ready and knowing their jobs, they are rushing and dropping from different angles and too many players are making basic errors.”

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3 minutes ago, heymangold said:

his marketing agent, from NYC, has convinced him that NY is the spot to be.  Watson wants to be the face of the city, the #1 market in the US.  he's said he wanted to play for Bieniemy or Saleh - who did we hire her?  Florham Park and the surrounding area, as you probably know, is one of the best places to live in america.  Great schools (if he plans on having kids), great houses, close to the city.  Sure, Miami is nice but the city isn't great and the surrounding areas are trash.  Plus is always 1000$% humidity and risk of hurricanes ruining your house all the time.

Great, if Watson genuinely wants to be here we have 100% leverage in trade negotiations 

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2 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

Great, if Watson genuinely wants to be here we have 100% leverage in trade negotiations 

on the "play like a jet" podcast they had on the guy who wrote the article that the jets were watson's #1 choice, armando salguero of the miami herald.  he kinda back tracked on the statement that the jets were #1, saying watson has teams he prefers to play for, with the jets being 1.  basically saying that he wants to play for the jets, if not, he'll play for the dolphins.  he doesn't know how long the list of teams is but it's a little more open then a top to bottom list.

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35 minutes ago, heymangold said:

add in the players that have never played for the organization telling him to come here, a-la- sherman, ochocinco, etc and man, it's almost like we've got something cookin here.

Could it be that all these people looking from the outside in think now that the coach was a huge upgrade but Sam Darnold is meh? 
Sam would make 1 great play every 2 weeks. 

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20 minutes ago, Shockwave said:

Deshaun removes Texan's pictures from his Media accounts and JJ Watt is likely on his way out. As predicted. 

 

 

 

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Trading Watt was always happening because it makes sense, not because Watt wants out (notice how he has handled it... knowing that the Texans are likely to trade him anyway). 

Trading Watson does not make sense 

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1 hour ago, bitonti said:

Not really. Last year they cut like 120 million in checks and traded a bunch of assets to create dead cap. Cutting quincy enunwa is not the same as roster spend. The jets spent like 50 or 60 million less than the cap on the 2020 roster 

Misinformation again.  

You need a fact checker much like a certain former President did:

All you have to do is check on OTC and see that in 2020, Jets spent $33.1 million under the Cap and that includes Quincy's money wasted by Maccagnan, not Douglas. Now compare:   Cleveland spent $37.5 million under, Dallas $34.1 million under, Jacksonville 32.6 million under.  In fact every team except two were at least $10 million below cap, and those two were Minnesota and Tennessee at $9.1 and #9.7 under, respectively.  

Furthermore the Jets are rolling $26.1 million of the unused cap into 2021:

   https://www.ganggreennation.com/2021/1/20/22241727/jets-to-roll-over-26-7-million-in-unused-cap-space-to-2021

So please...   spare us your dribble and stop making a mountain out of a mole hill.  Mosely was a big salary who opted out too which dropped cap.

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1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

It’s like you want to buy this awesome house in your neighborhood and you know the couple who owns it is broke and headed for divorce because the husband is a born-again who now disavows all earthly excesses, but the wife is a dime, so you have your realtor slip a lucrative offer to the wife to buy the house if and when the husband can’t bring the wood anymore. Then you wait for the divorce. Meanwhile, the wife is sending you nude selfies on the low, and your other neighbor’s wives are whispering into the dime’s ear that you secretly have a 10” dick and can drive nails into a 2x4 with your tongue. It’s only a matter of time.

Picturing your avatar saying this has me in tears.

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3 hours ago, bitonti said:

We weren't there for Watson promise to be considered during the gm process either 

That's Watson's narrative 

It seems gullible to believe Watson but disbelieve Adams. These are the exact same situations, except for Watson already getting a top 5 qb contract. 

We want to believe Watson is good and we want to believe Adams is bad. These men both did not want to honor their contracts, bottom line. 

Again, false narrative.  At least false with respect to my opinions.  You are more ridiculous than SAR yet no one says it. 

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2 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Jamal Adams is not a pass rusher. If he was being graded as a pass rusher, he’d be at the bottom of the league in terms of win rate, I’d imagine. Here is a lovely article from a Seahawks writer discussing how pyrrhic Jamal’s sacks are, including a telling quote from Carroll about what blitzing Jamal is costing the defense.

“Going into the Jets game, Adams had blitzed 77 times in eight games. He’s averaging 9.6 blitzes a game, which is by far the most of any player in the league.

The only other defensive back in the top-20 for blitzing is Budda Baker. He blitzes 5.3 times a game — nearly half as much as Adams. Keanu Neal blitzes 1.6 times a game.

When Carroll was asked on 710 ESPN this morningif Adams is a “unicorn” (meaning is he the only person capable of doing this) — he rejected the premise and stated:

“He’s getting a lot of opportunities you know, we’re giving him some shots. I heard somebody say he averages up close to 10 rushes a game. That’s a lot of rushes for a DB.”

The media is stuck on ‘wow wow wow wow’ (said in the Screen Rant pitch-meeting style — check it out on YouTube) when actually, we need to look closely at how the sacks are being achieved.

For his 10 rushes per game Adams had 7.5 sacks and 21 pressures before week 14. On average he creates a sack and 2.5 pressures.

The Seahawks have manufactured production for Adams in a way I don’t think anyone has ever done in the NFL before. Not at defensive back.

The result is he has earned a new record.

For example — last year in New York (when he was playing for the blitz-happy Gregg Williams), he only averaged 6.4 blitzes per game. It’s quite something that the Seahawks are blitzing him more than Williams did.

Of course, it’s their duty to get the most out of a player who cost so much via trade. You could also argue the Seahawks badly needed to manufacture sack production given how poor the pass rush was early in the season.

Blitzing comes with a consequence, however.

Take this play yesterday:

Sam Darnold snaps the ball on 3rd and 4 with 18 seconds remaining in the first half. The Jets were at their own 37-yard line and well out of field goal range.

The Seahawks have a defensive lineman drop into coverage and they blitz Adams and a linebacker.

The dropping D-liner covers the space also occupied by Bobby Wagner and for some reason Ugo Amadi. There are basically three players in close proximity with nobody covering Braxton Berrios on a crossing route.

It’s a total bust.

Firstly, there was absolutely no need to call this blitz. Perhaps the Seahawks felt they could be especially aggressive against an 0-12 Jets team with a 20-point lead? Even so, the call should’ve ended up costing them points (and would’ve done if Sergio Castillo didn’t miss his third field goal in one half).

Secondly, the defensive call is so badly executed.

Right before the snap Wagner is yelling and pointing at Amadi, seemingly instructing him to get over to the right hand side. He is pointing directly at Berrios and seems to identify the looming problem.

However, this only occurs with six seconds left on the play clock. The Jets didn’t snap the ball quickly to catch Seattle off guard, so it’s unclear why they were disorganised.

When Amadi doesn’t switch positions, Wagner turns his back on the line of scrimmage and looks to Quandre Diggs to identify Berrios as needing to be covered. In his desperate attempt to avert the danger, Wagner isn’t even facing the football when the ball is snapped. It’s a complete coverage bust — and the Seahawks (or at least Wagner) could see what was coming.

The play went for about 35-yards.

Carroll’s defense has always been known for its relative simplicity. The focus is on execution and having players who can tilt the field, doing their jobs well.

I suspect the heavy blitzing is causing plays like the one above. Instead of being able to sit in a fairly basic coverage, with everyone properly lined up and ready and knowing their jobs, they are rushing and dropping from different angles and too many players are making basic errors.”

Whether they manufacture production with opportunities is beside the point. Many teams blitz defensive backs they don't all finish like Adams. 

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1 hour ago, Dcat said:

Again, false narrative.  At least false with respect to my opinions.  You are more ridiculous than SAR yet no one says it. 

If you want to debate the topic let's do so. If you want to attack source well see when we get there 

To summarize this isn't going to happen. And when it doesn't no one will start a Sar was right thread. This is not about hopes or dreams or track records its a future prediction exercise. I'm predicting no way this trade happens. Let's see how it goes. Jets fans tend to raise our expectations to unreasonable levels. This is another case of we can't have nice things. I don't make the rules I just report them and get booed 

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2 hours ago, heymangold said:

on the "play like a jet" podcast they had on the guy who wrote the article that the jets were watson's #1 choice, armando salguero of the miami herald.  he kinda back tracked on the statement that the jets were #1, saying watson has teams he prefers to play for, with the jets being 1.  basically saying that he wants to play for the jets, if not, he'll play for the dolphins.  he doesn't know how long the list of teams is but it's a little more open then a top to bottom list.

Yeah I agree.  Watson would like to come here but he would also like Miami or some other places like LA

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15 minutes ago, bitonti said:

If you want to debate the topic let's do so. If you want to attack source well see when we get there 

To summarize this isn't going to happen. And when it doesn't no one will start a Sar was right thread. This is not about hopes or dreams or track records its a future prediction exercise. I'm predicting no way this trade happens. Let's see how it goes. Jets fans tend to raise our expectations to unreasonable levels. This is another case of we can't have nice things. I don't make the rules I just report them and get booed 

I'm pretty sure we've already seen how it went. Jets made the call, Texans said not interested, Jets said oh okay and hung up. 99% of the fanbase says see they tried, 1% says you ******* call that trying. Meanwhile it's a decade later and Tannenbaum is still sitting by the phone waiting for a call back from McDaniels.

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4 hours ago, bitonti said:

Not really. Last year they cut like 120 million in checks and traded a bunch of assets to create dead cap. Cutting quincy enunwa is not the same as roster spend. The jets spent like 50 or 60 million less than the cap on the 2020 roster 

WTF are you talking about?

Enunwa was paid $10MM in NEW MONEY in 2020. Just because he was released before week 1 doesn’t therefore mean he wasn’t paid in full.

Same thing with Bell. He was paid $13MM in NEW MONEY in 2020. It matters not that he was released.

Most of their dead cap was NEW MONEY paid in 2020 from these guys plus many who made the 9/5 roster cutdowns but didn’t make the team (e.g. got cut on the 6th or the 8th) like Hairston, Bellamy, and others.

The only dead cap ones who weren’t there at all in 2020, as you’re describing:

  • a certain safety traded in late July, except his $3.6MM dead cap was more than offset by McDougald and his $4MM in NEW MONEY. Get that? The Jets paid McDougald millions more in NEW MONEY than they escaped by trading Adams. If it was just to save every nickel they could have told Seattle they could keep McDougald.
  • Trumaine Johnson $4MM (because Maccagnan decided to make $20MM of his $32MM over 2 years - cheapskates! - in the form of signing bonus).
  • Polite just under $1MM because he was cut during his first summer after getting drafted.

Or put another way, by taking on McDougald in that trade, it offset all the pure dead cap players you’re talking about. Never mind all dead cap is money the team actually paid these players. The team can’t not pay them and then do some type of accounting shell game to make them count against the cap anyway.

Wow, you really still don’t know how the maths work lol.

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