DESHAUN OFFICIALLY REQUESTS TRADE BABY

[Jet Nut]

13 hours ago, Beerfish said:

He signed this with Bill O'brien still running things and hopkins was a distant memory and with full knowledge what the Texans future resources were going to be like.  Don;t tell me he had a holy epiphany moment that told him he hated the owner.

All the Texans had to do was to live up to their word, interviewed Saleh or Bienemey, whoever it was that Watson was interested in.  They didn't have to hire him, they just had to interview them, make Watson feel like he was part of the circle.  No, they couldn't even do that.  

Maybe, just maybe Watson feels like they didnt want a minority HC, that there there is some level of racism at play here. 

[HawkeyeJet]

10 hours ago, football guy said:

Unpopular opinion: if a relationship is “too far gone” because you felt like you were patronized by your boss, you’re a premadonna

Just say the team is poorly managed, years away from competing and see what happens

Premadonna

Prima Donna

[Jet Nut]

On 2/25/2021 at 4:39 PM, Savage69 said:

I get it your a huge Watson fan should he go straight to the HOF or wait a bit??

He doesn't have to raise his play to get there.  Just continue the way hes playing.  

I'm not getting the point, he can only play at a HOF level today.  He cant do anything more than play at that level and Watsons playing at that level.

[heymangold]

again, it doesn't matter if the panthers are looking to give up the ship for Watson - it matters if Watson wants to go there.  sure it's been reported but these reports are all starting to conflict and no one actually knows unless he gives the team a list.

i'd imagine the Jets would be able to give a better package of picks, including #2, where presumably the Texans would want to take a QB.  

if watson says i ONLY want to be traded to a team and that team isn't the jets, then the pipe dream is over.  until then,  i still think the jets would be the best trade candidate for Watson.

[T0mShane]

8 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

All the Texans had to do was to live up to their word, interviewed Saleh or Bienemey, whoever it was that Watson was interested in.  They didn't have to hire him, they just had to interview them, make Watson feel like he was part of the circle.  No, they couldn't even do that.  

Maybe, just maybe Watson feels like they didnt want a minority HC, that there there is some level of racism at play here. 

I don’t think it’s even that complicated. There have been twenty hit pieces blowing up Easterby and McNair and not one person from inside the organization has tried to refute any of those stories. JJ Watt didn’t even try defending Texans management, and he’s going to end up with a bronze statue of himself outside their stadium one day. John McClain, who’s covered that organization like a blanket since the beginning, just said in an interview that every player wants out of there right now because of Easterby. I don’t think it’s an issue of Watson waking up and deciding he doesn’t like Houston anymore, I think it’s Watson watching in disbelief as McNair keeps elevating the team pastor into more and more prominent roles in the organization, firing everyone from the team’s PR professional to the beloved equipment guy because they didn’t fit “the culture.”

 

[32EBoozer]

6 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I don’t think it’s even that complicated. There have been twenty hit pieces blowing up Easterby and McNair and not one person from inside the organization has tried to refute any of those stories. JJ Watt didn’t even try defending Texans management, and he’s going to end up with a bronze statue of himself outside their stadium one day. John McClain, who’s covered that organization like a blanket since the beginning, just said in an interview that every player wants out of there right now because of Easterby. I don’t think it’s an issue of Watson waking up and deciding he doesn’t like Houston anymore, I think it’s Watson watching in disbelief as McNair keeps elevating the team pastor into more and more prominent roles in the organization, firing everyone from the team’s PR professional to the beloved equipment guy because they didn’t fit “the culture.”

 

If they just would have repented, they'd still be there! It's their own fault! JK 

[Beerfish]

30 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

All the Texans had to do was to live up to their word, interviewed Saleh or Bienemey, whoever it was that Watson was interested in.  They didn't have to hire him, they just had to interview them, make Watson feel like he was part of the circle.  No, they couldn't even do that.  

Maybe, just maybe Watson feels like they didnt want a minority HC, that there there is some level of racism at play here. 

So having bruised feelings about a team not following you want is reason to stamp your foot and want out, this after committing to the team a few months earlier.

F'ing man up and realize that in this world things change, moves above you in an org are made quick and deal with it.

If this was a legit reason to leave then half of America and half of pro sports players would be walking out on their teams.

His loyalty comment tweet looks idiotic right now.

[Patriot Killa]

3 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

His loyalty comment tweet looks idiotic right now.

Lol what if that had to do with his girlfriend or a buddy? Not every tweet has to be about his football situation .

[Jet Nut]

1 minute ago, Beerfish said:

So having bruised feelings about a team not following you want is reason to stamp your foot and want out, this after committing to the team a few months earlier.

F'ing man up and realize that in this world things change, moves above you in the an org are made quick and deal with it.

If this was a legit reason to leave then half of America and half of pro sports players would be walking out on their teams.

His loyalty comment tweet looks idiotic right now.

Yes it is.  Especially when you were promised a voice.  When you were told you would be given a voice and then it was ignored.

This isnt half of America.  Its a guy who plays a position that only 32 others can play in America.  And out of those 32 hes in the top 2.  A guy who by all accounts does the right thing for his community and for the team.  Appearances and promotional appearances etc arent required but players do it.  So yeah, suck it up and give him a bone and interview someone hes interested in the team hiring.  Its really that hard to keep the best player your organization has had on payroll happy?  

Being truthful is a huge part of being loyal.    

 

[Jet Nut]

5 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

Lol what if that had to do with his girlfriend or a buddy? Not every tweet has to be about his football situation .

Exactly, doenst have to be about him and the Texans

Lets be honest, beer doesnt like Watson, doesnt want to trade for Watson so will be  contrary to what others defending Watson are saying.  If he wanted Watson all of this noise would go away

[genot]

34 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

All the Texans had to do was to live up to their word, interviewed Saleh or Bienemey, whoever it was that Watson was interested in.  They didn't have to hire him, they just had to interview them, make Watson feel like he was part of the circle.  No, they couldn't even do that.  

Maybe, just maybe Watson feels like they didnt want a minority HC, that there there is some level of racism at play here. 

They did interview Bienemey. They moved on to someone else, like a bunch of other teams did. Watson wants out, because he sees hard times ahead. They went 4-12. Have some rebuilding to do. When the going gets tough. Watson wants to jump ship. I think all the stuff about not being included in the hiring orocess is a bunch of bull.

[Patriot Killa]

10 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Exactly, doenst have to be about him and the Texans

Lets be honest, beer doesnt like Watson, doesnt want to trade for Watson so will be  contrary to what others defending Watson are saying.  If he wanted Watson all of this noise would go away

One thing I’ve noticed in my 8 years here? - people will turn into seasoned lawyers on here to defend their thoughts on a topic. “Well what about this, or, well, what about how HE approached the situation, etc, etc” 

He’s a 25 year old Pro Bowl QB on an awful team. I would not care if he kicked & screamed like a baby to get out of there for absolutely no reason had there not been one. Shove a bottle in his mouth and send him to NY.

[Beerfish]

9 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Yes it is.  Especially when you were promised a voice.  When you were told you would be given a voice and then it was ignored.

This isnt half of America.  Its a guy who plays a position that only 32 others can play in America.  And out of those 32 hes in the top 2.  A guy who by all accounts does the right thing for his community and for the team.  Appearances and promotional appearances etc arent required but players do it.  So yeah, suck it up and give him a bone and interview someone hes interested in the team hiring.  Its really that hard to keep the best player your organization has had on payroll happy?  

Being truthful is a huge part of being loyal.    

 

He demanded a trade BEFORE they has finished their coaching search.  They are one of two teams to hire a minority candidate.

He just signed a huge deal so rather than just be pissed at the team not following through he throws up the big middle finger to the fans and his team mates and the city.

[T0mShane]

Anti-Watson bros: an exercise for you. 
 

Here is the 2021 #23 pick, the 2022 #15 pick, along with $10 mil in cap space this year, and $30 mil in 2022. Please demonstrate how Joe Douglas can best use those resources to make Zack Wilson=Deshaun Watson. Please show your work. 

[32EBoozer]

6 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Anti-Watson bros: an exercise for you. 
 

Here is the 2021 #23 pick, the 2022 #15 pick, along with $10 mil in cap space this year, and $30 mil in 2022. Please demonstrate how Joe Douglas can best use those resources to make Zack Wilson=Deshaun Watson. Please show your work. 

[genot]

51 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I don’t think it’s even that complicated. There have been twenty hit pieces blowing up Easterby and McNair and not one person from inside the organization has tried to refute any of those stories. JJ Watt didn’t even try defending Texans management, and he’s going to end up with a bronze statue of himself outside their stadium one day. John McClain, who’s covered that organization like a blanket since the beginning, just said in an interview that every player wants out of there right now because of Easterby. I don’t think it’s an issue of Watson waking up and deciding he doesn’t like Houston anymore, I think it’s Watson watching in disbelief as McNair keeps elevating the team pastor into more and more prominent roles in the organization, firing everyone from the team’s PR professional to the beloved equipment guy because they didn’t fit “the culture.”

 

Watson knew who Easterby was when he signed on the dotted line. Hopkins had already been traded. O Brian was still there. This is about wanting to jump ship because the Texans are in for a long rebuild, and Watson is coming up with these red herrings about why he wants out.

[section314]

After all this crap plays out, any owner that agrees to a no trade clause deserves to have his team taken away from him.

[Mike135]

1 minute ago, section314 said:

After all this crap plays out, any owner that agrees to a no trade clause deserves to have his team taken away from him.

Folks need to realize players are effectively contractors.  The boss/employee relationship does not exist.

Hell, it's why I quickly shifted to contracting vs being an employee. 

The contractor supplies a service and the client (owner) must live up to their responsibilities. 

If either side screws up, they face the penalties. 

Any good free agent will always be able to get the no-trade clause.  Owners just need to realize they aren't in complete control.

If a contractor sucks, they won't get contracts.

If an owner sucks, they'll lose contractors.

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

28 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Anti-Watson bros: an exercise for you. 
 

Here is the 2021 #23 pick, the 2022 #15 pick, along with $10 mil in cap space this year, and $30 mil in 2022. Please demonstrate how Joe Douglas can best use those resources to make Zack Wilson=Deshaun Watson. Please show your work. 

Doesn’t matter, Zach Wilson = Patrick Mahomes. Thus, those resources don’t matter. 

[T0mShane]

28 minutes ago, genot said:

Watson knew who Easterby was when he signed on the dotted line. Hopkins had already been traded. O Brian was still there. This is about wanting to jump ship because the Texans are in for a long rebuild, and Watson is coming up with these red herrings about why he wants out.

https://www.si.com/.amp/nfl/2020/12/10/ex-chaplain-jack-easterby-houston-texans-chaos-after-power-struggle-daily-cover
 

They knew who Easterby was. They didn’t know he was going to be give full control. 

[Savage69]

11 minutes ago, Mike135 said:

Folks need to realize players are effectively contractors.  The boss/employee relationship does not exist.

Hell, it's why I quickly shifted to contracting vs being an employee. 

The contractor supplies a service and the client (owner) must live up to their responsibilities. 

If either side screws up, they face the penalties. 

Any good free agent will always be able to get the no-trade clause.  Owners just need to realize they aren't in complete control.

If a contractor sucks, they won't get contracts.

If an owner sucks, they'll lose contractors.

And Cumar and the Tuna had the best contract ever it allowed the player to void the deal after one year.. Now that's the class way to screw the team that drafted you..

[section314]

14 minutes ago, Mike135 said:

Folks need to realize players are effectively contractors.  The boss/employee relationship does not exist.

Hell, it's why I quickly shifted to contracting vs being an employee. 

The contractor supplies a service and the client (owner) must live up to their responsibilities. 

If either side screws up, they face the penalties. 

Any good free agent will always be able to get the no-trade clause.  Owners just need to realize they aren't in complete control.

If a contractor sucks, they won't get contracts.

If an owner sucks, they'll lose contractors.

This is exactly what happened in Houston. Watson provided a service, and the Texans paid him. Handsomely. If said contractor had concerns, he should have not signed the extension, and played out the original contract. Become a free agent, and offer your services to the highest bidder.

[Jet Nut]

1 hour ago, genot said:

They did interview Bienemey. They moved on to someone else, like a bunch of other teams did. Watson wants out, because he sees hard times ahead. They went 4-12. Have some rebuilding to do. When the going gets tough. Watson wants to jump ship. I think all the stuff about not being included in the hiring orocess is a bunch of bull.

After Watson expressed his anger and requested a trade/. 

The rest of your post is total fantasy based on you not wanting him.  

[Mike135]

Just now, section314 said:

This is exactly what happened in Houston. Watson provided a service, and the Texans paid him. Handsomely. If said contractor had concerns, he should have not signed the extension, and played out the original contract. Become a free agent, and offer your services to the highest bidder.

No, I wouldn't want to provide services for a client that lied to me either.  Especially one building a "culture" I wanted nothing to do with.

Houston ownership is free to run things as they like.  Players are free to not play for 'em.

Pretty simple.

 

[Jet Nut]

14 minutes ago, Savage69 said:

And Cumar and the Tuna had the best contract ever it allowed the player to void the deal after one year.. Now that's the class way to screw the team that drafted you..

What does your complete hatred of Curtis Martin have to do with this?  You hate him, we get it.  You cant even begin to see how great he was, we get it.

You really need to get over it and not turn completely different situations into opportunities to rip CM.  

The NFL is littered with contracts that allow players to walk and for teams to cut players after a short time period.  Curtis Martins contract with the Pats 20+ years ago has nothing to do with Watson.  A contract the Patriots didnt have to agree to btw

[section314]

3 minutes ago, Mike135 said:

No, I wouldn't want to provide services for a client that lied to me either.  Especially one building a "culture" I wanted nothing to do with.

Houston ownership is free to run things as they like.  Players are free to not play for 'em.

Pretty simple.

 

Agreed. He doesn't have to play. He can sit out.

[Mike135]

Just now, section314 said:

Agreed. He doesn't have to play. He can sit out.

Yup.  And Houston can suffer with a bad team n no QB.

Lose - lose.

Ownership messed with the wrong player.

[section314]

9 minutes ago, Mike135 said:

Yup.  And Houston can suffer with a bad team n no QB.

Lose - lose.

Ownership messed with the wrong player.

Think it's the other way around.

[Mike135]

Just now, section314 said:

Think it's the other way around.

We'll see shortly. 

[T0mShane]

1 minute ago, section314 said:

Think it's the other way around.

The only team to ever come out on top in one of these player vs GM battles was the Jets, twice, with Revis and Adams 

[section314]

1 minute ago, Mike135 said:

We'll see shortly. 

Hopefully.?

[Savage69]

11 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

The only team to ever come out on top in one of these player vs GM battles was the Jets, twice, with Revis and Adams 

What about KJ to the Buc's???

[genot]

41 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

https://www.si.com/.amp/nfl/2020/12/10/ex-chaplain-jack-easterby-houston-texans-chaos-after-power-struggle-daily-cover
 

They knew who Easterby was. They didn’t know he was going to be give full control. 

It is a sh..show isn't it. 

[T0mShane]

9 minutes ago, Savage69 said:

What about KJ to the Buc's???

Three times the Jets won, baby

[Savage69]

10 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Three times the Jets won, baby

We got a 1st for Abe which got us Mangold but we never replaced what Abe brought to the team..