Fantasy Island Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 hour ago, jetspenguin said: Seattle's 23rd Next year's 1st Mosley 2022 4th Or walk away... Sent from the Suicide Watch desk. Would LOVE to unload that Dou#$%bag to the sinking franchise known as the Texans. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 11 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Two firsts and an established player: McClain is basically the guy the organization uses to leak out sh*t. He’s their mouth piece. His proposal is probably closer to what Houston would actually want. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Just now, Mogglez said: McClain is basically the guy the organization uses to leak out sh*t. He’s their mouth piece. His proposal is probably closer to what Houston would actually want. Agreed, but assuming that’s Houston’s actual baseline cost, which can be manipulated and whittled down, it’s still pretty cheap, IMO. The #2 this year is only appealing as trade bait for someone in love with Zack Wilson, and the players predicted to be available at 23 are eh. If you want start building out your offer with those two picks, I think that’s ok. If the rest of it is a second rounder and Quinnen, I don’t see how you can pass that up, especially with the reciprocal trade of Darnold to somewhat make up for the loss of picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBeardedSavage Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 4 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Agreed, but assuming that’s Houston’s actual baseline cost, which can be manipulated and whittled down, it’s still pretty cheap, IMO. The #2 this year is only appealing as trade bait for someone in love with Zack Wilson, and the players predicted to be available at 23 are eh. If you want start building out your offer with those two picks, I think that’s ok. If the rest of it is a second rounder and Quinnen, I don’t see how you can pass that up, especially with the reciprocal trade of Darnold to somewhat make up for the loss of picks. 8 minutes ago, Mogglez said: McClain is basically the guy the organization uses to leak out sh*t. He’s their mouth piece. His proposal is probably closer to what Houston would actually want. If it's three firsts or two firsts and Quinnen, wouldn't you prefer giving away three firsts? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 13 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Agreed, but assuming that’s Houston’s actual baseline cost, which can be manipulated and whittled down, it’s still pretty cheap, IMO. The #2 this year is only appealing as trade bait for someone in love with Zack Wilson, and the players predicted to be available at 23 are eh. If you want start building out your offer with those two picks, I think that’s ok. If the rest of it is a second rounder and Quinnen, I don’t see how you can pass that up, especially with the reciprocal trade of Darnold to somewhat make up for the loss of picks. Yeah I get that. How much they’re willing to wiggle is the big question, and with Houston being so willing to potentially play hardball, I don’t know if there is that much wiggle room. I don’t know how you feel about the value of the 2nd overall pick, but there is the potential for a MASSIVE haul if they trade down. That certainly has to be weighed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, RedBeardedSavage said: If it's three firsts or two firsts and Quinnen, wouldn't you prefer giving away three firsts? Three firsts. 23OA and both picks next year. Then I’d trade down from 2OA and get back, at least, a first for next year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBeardedSavage Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 4 minutes ago, Mogglez said: Three firsts. 23OA and both picks next year. Then I’d trade 2OA and get back a first for next year. That would be the ideal, but I think I'd still be willing to trade the #2, the #23 and one of next years firsts if it came down to it. Either way, I'd prefer either your proposal or mine to one including Quinnen. How high are the Jets internally on Q? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Mogglez said: Three firsts. 23OA and both picks next year. Then I’d trade 2OA and get back a first for next year. What is 230A? I believe 20A refers to our #2 pick this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Just now, RedBeardedSavage said: That would be the ideal, but I think I'd still be willing to trade the #2, the #23 and one of next years pick if ti came down to it. Either way, I'd prefer either your proposal or mine to one including Quinnen. How high are the Jets internally on Q? Given how much 2OA could bring back in a trade down, I’d say “fine, then you’re just getting 2OA and 23OA, and we’ll throw in someone like Foley Fatukasi, but nothing or no one else of significance, that’s more than enough for a player that refuses to play for you.” As for Q? Incredibly high. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Just now, 32EBoozer said: What is 230A? I believe 20A refers to our #2 pick this year? 23rd overall. Just using abbreviations lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBeardedSavage Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 redundant, delete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 5 hours ago, Rhg1084 said: I’d have a hard time parting with Q, but if that’s what it takes might have to do it. Tough call Is there a way to give more than a thumbs down on this? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 4 minutes ago, RedBeardedSavage said: If it's three firsts or two firsts and Quinnen, wouldn't you prefer giving away three firsts? I would guess so, because unless Saleh is absolute garbage, next year’s first rounder should be in the 18-25 range with Watson as his starting QB. 2 minutes ago, Mogglez said: Yeah I get that. How much they’re willing to wiggle is the big question, and with Houston being so willing to potentially play hardball, I don’t know if there is that much wiggle room. I don’t know how you feel about the value of the 2nd overall pick, but there is the potential for a MASSIVE haul if they trade down. That’s certainly has to be weighed. Here’s my problem on that, and why I’m so gung-ho to go scorched earth on this deal: even if the Jets get six first rounders over the next three years, the chances of any of those six being as good as Watson are negligible, and I don’t think you can expect Saleh to compete without a plus quarterback, but you can realistically expect playoff runs with Watson. I am of the belief that the talent level isn’t *that far away* and what we witnessed this year was a Gase/Darnold-induced malaise that made everyone look like sh*t. Additionally, given McClain’s tone shifts, I don’t think the Texans have the will or desire to drag this out, so juicing the offer a bit to lock this up quickly would be ok. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 4 minutes ago, More Cowbell said: Is there a way to give more than a thumbs down on this? Yes. Gif him 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammybighead Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 8 minutes ago, Mogglez said: Given how much 2OA could bring back in a trade down, I’d say “fine, then you’re just getting 2OA and 23OA, and we’ll throw in someone like Foley Fatukasi, but nothing or no one else of significance, that’s more than enough for a player that refuses to play for you.” As for Q? Incredibly high. Agreed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jethead Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Until I hear from the Texans I make no offer. It's just media chatter. If they do signal directly that they are interested, I would want them to name their price. Then we could see if there is a deal to be done. (And I might get excited!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 They want two first? Fine, give them both Seattle first and their Third and Ashtyn Davis and a DL not named Q. This essentially replaces Adams with Watson correcting a Mac mistake. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 minute ago, genot said: Yes. Gif him The one I was going to use probably woukd get me banned 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bd71 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Hard pass. Franchise Qb but can't give away everything for Watson. This roster need talent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 8 minutes ago, More Cowbell said: The one I was going to use probably woukd get me banned Lol. My oh my. My feelings exactly. The last 6 weeks has been insanity here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcJet Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 hour ago, Mogglez said: Yeah I get that. How much they’re willing to wiggle is the big question, and with Houston being so willing to potentially play hardball, I don’t know if there is that much wiggle room. I don’t know how you feel about the value of the 2nd overall pick, but there is the potential for a MASSIVE haul if they trade down. That certainly has to be weighed. If the Texans are looking to trade the 2nd overall, and they are competent, they'll have that trade-down negotiated before they trade Watson for it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcJet Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 16 minutes ago, More Cowbell said: They want two first? Fine, give them both Seattle first and their Third and Ashtyn Davis and a DL not named Q. This essentially replaces Adams with Watson correcting a Mac mistake. Why bother even calling in this offer? Twenty teams can beat that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 19 minutes ago, More Cowbell said: They want two first? Fine, give them both Seattle first and their Third and Ashtyn Davis and a DL not named Q. This essentially replaces Adams with Watson correcting a Mac mistake. crazy right..... we could have and should have had him 4 years ago but NO.... MAC wanted a safety for a team with a journeyman QB. THEN he trades 3 seconds to draft Darnold. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 31 minutes ago, Mogglez said: Three firsts. 23OA and both picks next year. Then I’d trade down from 2OA and get back, at least, a first for next year. But the 2 is what gives us the potential edge over other teams. Carolina, Miami, or Atlanta could all outbid us with top 10 picks this year. I can't see any way of making the deal without including the 2. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 It’s funny how some here were calling Q a fat lazy slob last year and how we should have traded him for a mid round pick. Bust of epic proportions. Now folks are starting to see his true value. Took 1 year to get him to take the next step. Next year he’ll be even more beastly. I’m not including him in any deal. He’s 23 and on his way to being our Aaron Donald. Watson can go cry elsewhere. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vader Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Gaining Watson provides more offense than losing QW is preventing oppo offenses. No matter how good QW is, his net effect on D, and his individual sacks and TFL etc don’t close the margin vs Watson. Also when you look at their value vs replacement — again, it’s not close. There are several DL on the team RIGHT NOW that may not be superstars, but are quite serviceable DTs. The team has been adept at developing mid-level DL talent. Finally, if you get Watson, you don’t also keep Darnold. Getting rid of Darnold offsets the trade package to Texans. I would trade two #1s and QW at the end of the day (although I would try to avoid sending QW, and dangle Maye, Fatu, Jenkins, Hall, etc), knowing that Darnold offsets this package with an additional first or second rounder coming back and that Watson > QW net effect on the scoreboard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greengeek Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Like so many here, I’ve allowed myself at times to get really worried about what might happen in the DW4 saga. At some point, I have to ground myself in reality. My reading of reality is that the Jets are a bad team but, having reached rock bottom, we’ve put ourselves on a hopeful path. We have high picks this year and extra picks this year and next. We have a large amount of cap room. We have a new head coach who garners universal praise. The new staff seems top notch as well. Sounds pretty good. So along comes DW4 and we now actually fear that the GM who put us in the advantageous position will sell the farm based on a Manish-level tweet from a Houston reporter. So I’ll throw in a prediction: No way we’ll be part of such a ridiculous deal that probably even has the feeble-minded Texan’s FO laughing. Like Greenbean’s latest vid, I believe we’re driving the bus. JD put us in exactly the right position for an orderly rebuild. He will either cut a deal that advances our position (in his opinion that I am trusting more over time) or he’ll tell Houston to find another buyer and let that team make a foolish deal. Oh no...what if a division rival makes a foolish deal instead of us? Ummmm...this is what we usually desire. Houston is the group under pressure here, not us. They will either make a reasonable deal with us (the best team in a position to offer a reasonable deal) or they will fleece some other team. All good for us! So without worry, if I were JD, I would believe that pick #2 is too low for DW4 because you go from known young talented QB to a guess. I offer that and one of our two #1’s next year along with Sam and Henry Anderson who won’t fit as well in Saleh’s D as he fits now. This my my guess for a trade that advances us and would help Houston recover from DW4 and their present cap hell. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike135 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 9 minutes ago, Peace Frog said: Watson can go cry elsewhere. Go cry? He's making ownership pay for lies. It'd be pretty cool having a QB that could whip the d!cks (Johnsons) into shape. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, Mike135 said: Go cry? He's making ownership pay for lies. It'd be pretty cool having a QB that could whip the d!cks (Johnsons) into shape. He signed a contract knowing who the owner was, how dysfunctional the organization was, AFTER they traded away Hopkins. He knew ALL of this and he still took the money. Verbal promises are worth the paper they are written on. If he wanted say in coaching decisions, he should have gotten it in his contract. Like his guaranteed money. And his no trade clause. He’s crying now because he has buyers remorse. After he took $70 mill guaranteed. I’m sorry, I have no sympathy for him. He knew exactly what he was signing up for. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike135 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Peace Frog said: He signed a contract knowing who the owner was, how dysfunctional the organization was, AFTER they traded away Hopkins. He knew ALL of this and he still took the money. Verbal promises are worth the paper they are written on. If he wanted say in coaching decisions, he should have gotten it in his contract. Like his guaranteed money. And his no trade clause. He’s crying now because he has buyers remorse. After he took $70 mill guaranteed. I’m sorry, I have no sympathy for him. He knew exactly what he was signing up for. I don't think he cares if you have sympathy for him or not. He's doing everything he's allowed to do. If ownership wanted to avoid this, they shouldn't have lied. Now they face the consequences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotcheryifyouCan Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Our first two this year Mosley darnold and next years second? If q is the one they want ship him. No d lineman is going to win a Super Bowl. Ask the rams 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxville Jets Fan Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 There’s no other team that match what the Jets can offer. Some might say Miami, but they don’t have a “young” defensive player (i.e., first contract player) up there with QW and the Jets’ second overall pick would guarantee them that they can have their pick of Wilson or Fields. If I’m Douglas, I’m not overpaying (the McClain proposal qualifies as overpaying) because he is just bidding against himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 5 hours ago, Rhg1084 said: I’d have a hard time parting with Q, but if that’s what it takes might have to do it. Tough call Was not a QW fan. Wanted him out. I was WRONG WRONG WRONG. No way - in you know where - does QW become part of a package for Watson. Tell the Texans to go jump in a lake and draft a QB next year since they won’t be drafting one this year if they trade Watson. No one is going to give them that and even if a trade like that went down, they’d still probably lose out on the next 2 of 3 QB prospects (Fields, Lance, Wilson) - because YOU KNOW we are taking one of either Fields or Wilson if we don’t trade for Watson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 56 minutes ago, Jethead said: Until I hear from the Texans I make no offer. It's just media chatter. If they do signal directly that they are interested, I would want them to name their price. Then we could see if there is a deal to be done. (And I might get excited!) Ahh common sense so rare around here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 4 minutes ago, Savage69 said: Ahh common sense so rare around here... Do you guys think the Texans GM is going to call you at home or what Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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