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5 hours ago, Flea Flicking Frank said:

If the Jets give up 3 first round picks including # 2 overall for Watson that would be among the stupidest things the Jets have ever done, and that is saying a lot. I can't believe anyone in their right mind would go for that. The guy rely's heavily on his wheels, both wheels are damaged. He is a hit away from being done. People are losing their mind. Give up something like 1.23 and 2022 2nd round pick, and if they want Sam, take him too. Any more than that and Texans can pound salt. This is getting flat out insane.

Lmao if you believe you're getting Watson for 1.23 and 2022 2nd round pick. Delusional. 

Yeah, getting an elite QB in Watson would for sure be something "stupid" 🙄. I guess you must enjoy bad QB play from the Jets and for it to continue. 

3 1st round picks spread out over 3 years would be good, considering the Jets still have enough draft capital from the Adams trade. What's flat out insane is some fans still believing otherwise. 

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2OA is worth multiple 1sts.  QW is worth a 1 & then some.  Then, in this hypothetical, you need to throw in another 1st, two 2nd rounders, & another young defensive starter?  Nah.  You don’t c

Eh. Take 2 overall and Nathan Shepherd and leave us alone.

I’d have a hard time parting with Q, but if that’s what it takes might have to do it. Tough call

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16 minutes ago, football guy said:

And I think that will be the major decision-tipper. 

(and no, if Wilson ends up being great and the Jets pass, the staff won't get fired... the Buffalo Bills passed on Mahomes and Watson, instead trading down for a CB. Seems to have worked out for them). 

Well yes they passed on Mahomes and Watson but in the following year they drafted a top 5 young QB of their own, and netted a probowl MLB in the process for the trade with KC. No Allen isn’t Mahomes, but he’s a lot closer than anything we’ve got, and Mahomes is probably the only QB in the league Buffalo would be interested in swapping for Allen. 

It’ll be forgiven if the Jets find their own Watson (or Allen). If they fail again with Darnold, and Watson is throwing 30 TDs for the Dolphins or something, it won’t be so overlooked by fans. By Woody? Maybe for a while, seeing how Douglas will still have another 3 years left on his contract. 

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40 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Well yes they passed on Mahomes and Watson but in the following year they drafted a top 5 young QB of their own, and netted a probowl MLB in the process for the trade with KC. No Allen isn’t Mahomes, but he’s a lot closer than anything we’ve got, and Mahomes is probably the only QB in the league Buffalo would be interested in swapping for Allen. 

It’ll be forgiven if the Jets find their own Watson (or Allen). If they fail again with Darnold, and Watson is throwing 30 TDs for the Dolphins or something, it won’t be so overlooked by fans. By Woody? Maybe for a while, seeing how Douglas will still have another 3 years left on his contract. 

Was he a top 5 young QB all along or is it just because of the stats he put up this year? I ask that because about 6 months ago most fans (not I) would've compared Mahomes/Watson's stat sheets with Josh Allen's below and said it was the dumbest decision in history. In fact, most talking heads were saying the Bills would be a superbowl team if Darnold was their QB instead of Allen. What changed?

Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% 1D Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD AV
2018 22 BUF QB 17 12 11 5-6-0 169 320 52.8 2074 10 3.1 12 3.8 89 75 6.5 5.4 12.3 172.8 67.9 49.8 28 213 5.35 4.37 8.0 2 3 6
2019 23 BUF QB 17 16 16 10-6-0 271 461 58.8 3089 20 4.3 9 2.0 146 53 6.7 6.7 11.4 193.1 85.3 49.4 38 237 5.72 5.71 7.6 4 5 11

 

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1 hour ago, football guy said:

I think they're going to make a trade with PHI and draft someone

Eagles interested in #2? Who for, Sewell? 

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9 hours ago, football guy said:

Was he a top 5 young QB all along or is it just because of the stats he put up this year? I ask that because about 6 months ago most fans (not I) would've compared Mahomes/Watson's stat sheets with Josh Allen's below and said it was the dumbest decision in history. In fact, most talking heads were saying the Bills would be a superbowl team if Darnold was their QB instead of Allen. What changed?

Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% 1D Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD AV
2018 22 BUF QB 17 12 11 5-6-0 169 320 52.8 2074 10 3.1 12 3.8 89 75 6.5 5.4 12.3 172.8 67.9 49.8 28 213 5.35 4.37 8.0 2 3 6
2019 23 BUF QB 17 16 16 10-6-0 271 461 58.8 3089 20 4.3 9 2.0 146 53 6.7 6.7 11.4 193.1 85.3 49.4 38 237 5.72 5.71 7.6 4 5 11

 

Now, obviously. From the time drafted, his team had to wait all of one year longer than KC did with Mahomes, since the latter held a clipboard as a rookie.

And nobody said the Bills would be a SB team with Darnold. That never happened, let alone most people saying so. Never mind if the thought was ever uttered past anyone’s lips it would’ve been a Jets fan enjoying the opportunity to insult Allen, not speak favorably of Darnold, like a form of exaggeration.

Further, when they were drafted Allen was expected to be the more raw prospect, and Darnold the polished one. Allen was the guy you took a chance on because of his combination of arm strength and foot speed, with the thought that if he can put it together from the neck up no one in the draft there wouldn’t be 2 others in the league with that whole package.

Darnold never had Allen’s ceiling: a weaker arm and slower afoot (noticeably, on both fronts). That’s perfectly fine, but his big thing was he was ready now, and what he had upstairs made him the supposedly-superior prospect with near-zero risk. He was to be the guy a GM justifiably trashes his team’s whole season on the hopes he could be the one who wins the Darnold Lottery. He was never drafted to be a guy who’d hopefully start to get it by his 4th or 5th season. The training tools at any QB’s disposal these days allow that mental aspect to grow far more rapidly than in years past; it’s not like he has to do film study so inefficiently with literal film on a projector, checking reels in & out from the AV room. 

Look, I don’t at all think 2020 was and is Darnold’s ceiling, and every QB will get better with experience as the game slows down. He’s not going to be Allen; he doesn’t have Allen’s physical gifts and never will. What’s got people so down on him is he was supposed to be the “it” guy almost immediately, and only get better from there. By now he was supposed to be what Justin Herbert was as a rookie, not struggling to compare favorably to Nick Mullens.

JMO; you don’t have to agree. I’m thrilled at least one non-Jets GM still thinks of him what was thought when he was a soph at USC, before turnovers in the absence of outpassing everyone else became part of his deal. It’s very fair to say there are top guys who didn’t look anything like top 5-10 when they were 3 years removed from college (e.g. Brees) but awarding this many mulligans is feeling like the cliché of a battered woman who voluntarily won’t move on. 

If there’s a chance to turn the 2017 draft mistake around by literally getting a second chance to turn the Jamal Adams mistake into Deshaun Watson (Mahomes doesn’t seem available lol), and Douglas doesn’t take it - and further turns down an additional late 1st rounder that might be offered to partly undo the Darnold pick - to bring him back for a 4th season? As things look today, I don’t even want to think about answering that question. 

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8 hours ago, Jetsfan4life90 said:

Lmao if you believe you're getting Watson for 1.23 and 2022 2nd round pick. Delusional. 

Yeah, getting an elite QB in Watson would for sure be something "stupid" 🙄. I guess you must enjoy bad QB play from the Jets and for it to continue. 

3 1st round picks spread out over 3 years would be good, considering the Jets still have enough draft capital from the Adams trade. What's flat out insane is some fans still believing otherwise. 

If Watson was elite, I would tend to agree, I just don't see him as elite. I see him as good. I would be happy to have him, but people act like we are trading for Aarron Rodgers in his prime, its not even close on many levels. Watson puts up great fantasy stats, he is not a great QB. He is good. Trading 3 1st round picks, including a 2 overall should be reserved for the truly elite. Watson is not that. Particularly when you factor his injury history and his style of play. 

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10 hours ago, football guy said:

This is what's called taking the easy way out. Doesn't matter that Douglas didn't draft him; his reputation is on the line either way considering how highly he graded him. Most of Darnold's issues are very identifiable on film and should be easily correctable in order to get him to manage games better. The more difficult question is how to do that while also maintaining the "wow" plays. Mike LaFleur is absolutely in on it, as is Knapp and Saleh... they all like Darnold a lot. As for fresh starts, he's getting one. He's with an entire new coaching staff and what will be a revamped offense. Same logo and same idiotic fanatics, but those things mean very little in the grand scheme of things. It's the dumb franchises that let fan displeasure affect their decision-making... I have confidence Douglas is not that type. 

I don't know how many times I'll have to say it but I have a feeling it definitely won't be the last time... 

  1. Watson's not getting traded to the Jets. The Jets have no control over it and neither does Watson. 
  2. Jets are evaluating what's more valuable: QB Sam + trade value #2 or QB #2 + trade value Sam.

For roster building purposes it's probably keeping Sam. The kicker for the Jets is Douglas doesn't view this as a "QB he didn't draft" or "we'll nail it down next year"... he views it as built-in flexibility. He still thinks Sam can be the long-term answer. If he proves that great. If he doesn't then Joe has money and +3 1st round picks to work with to find one in 2022. It's not an either Wilson or QB next year; it's Wilson or Sam/QB next year. 

Just wondering, is there a scenario where the Jets keep Darnold, either trade out of 2 vs. stay out of 2, but still take the QB? Or take a QB at 23 or 2nd round?  Have 2 QB's on the roster, with Darnold relatively cheap before his option or tag year.  Let them compete and trade 1 of them at the end of the year?  Alex Smith/Patrick Mahomes sort of situation?  Steve Young and Joe Montana?  Such a premium position, why not hedge and stack the QB room?

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15 minutes ago, Phillyjet said:

Just wondering, is there a scenario where the Jets keep Darnold, either trade out of 2 vs. stay out of 2, but still take the QB? Or take a QB at 23 or 2nd round?  Have 2 QB's on the roster, with Darnold relatively cheap before his option or tag year.  Let them compete and trade 1 of them at the end of the year?  Alex Smith/Patrick Mahomes sort of situation?  Steve Young and Joe Montana?  Such a premium position, why not hedge and stack the QB room?

I wouldn't be a huge fan of this but Joe Douglas was with the Eagles when they had a broken down Sam Bradford after drafting Wentz #2 overall. They held on to Bradford until the preseason when they traded him to the Vikings for a first round pick.

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16 hours ago, neckdemon said:

no? you should check out the texans forums. most of them think the texans are getting 4 1sts along with quinnen williams and darnold or equivalent

OK, I'll revise.  No reasonable person thinks the Texans will get really anything close to what they're demanding.

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1 hour ago, Flea Flicking Frank said:

If Watson was elite, I would tend to agree, I just don't see him as elite. I see him as good. I would be happy to have him, but people act like we are trading for Aarron Rodgers in his prime, its not even close on many levels. Watson puts up great fantasy stats, he is not a great QB. He is good. Trading 3 1st round picks, including a 2 overall should be reserved for the truly elite. Watson is not that. Particularly when you factor his injury history and his style of play. 

I guess that's where we differ, because Watson is for sure an elite QB. If you don't believe he is, then I wonder who your criteria of an elite QB is lol. 

Houston traded away one of the best WR's in the NFL for peanuts (one of many terrible moves they've made over the last few years), and yet, Watson put up his best stats so far this past season. 

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3 hours ago, bla bla bla said:

For Perspective

- Defense ranked 478/480 defenses ranked by ESPN over last 15 years

- Watson becomes 1 of 4 QBs in the history of the NFL to throw 70% completion percentage and +8.5 ypa. The 3 other QBs (Montana, Young, & Brees) all won the Super Bowl the year they did that.

- Texans went 4-12, the Jets were a last second field goal and a hail mary away from being a 4 win team with the 32nd ranked QB and had the hardest schedule in the NFL.

- Given the facts I just laid out, I'd say Watson is incredibly elite and was stuck on a historically bad team. Adding him to the Jets with $70m extra in cap, full array of draft picks, a significantly easier schedule, and a new HC will have the Jets in playoff contention immediately.

I have watched every game of Watson since he joined the NFL. He is a good QB. For me, he is not elite. He is primarily a 1 read QB who has had a fantastic if not all world WR his entire career. Even this year he had a fantastic receiver. When his 1 read isnt there, he takes off and runs, which is great, but that is not sustainable over 10-15 years, and he already has 2 blown ACL's to show for it. His running threat needs to always be accounted for which helps his stats. In addition, his historical bad defense has setup a ton of late game soft defenses for him to pad his stats.

I like Watson, he is good, you can win with him, but anyone expecting him to come in and turn chicken sh*t into chicken salad is going to be very disappointed.

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3 hours ago, Phillyjet said:

Just wondering, is there a scenario where the Jets keep Darnold, either trade out of 2 vs. stay out of 2, but still take the QB? Or take a QB at 23 or 2nd round?  Have 2 QB's on the roster, with Darnold relatively cheap before his option or tag year.  Let them compete and trade 1 of them at the end of the year?  Alex Smith/Patrick Mahomes sort of situation?  Steve Young and Joe Montana?  Such a premium position, why not hedge and stack the QB room?

I think it's Darnold or QB at #2. I don't think they'll get cute, nor do I think a QB will be worth taking at #23 that fits what the Jets need at QB. 

I think there exists a scenario where a team overpays for Darnold and Jets grab a veteran from somewhere. But ultimately I think it comes down to Darnold or Wilson. If they get a lot of value for Darnold, they may be willing to part and grab Wilson, maybe pair him with a veteran QB. Andy Dalton immediately comes to mind. In percentages. Below is my pie chart of scenarios: 

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5 minutes ago, football guy said:

I think it's Darnold or QB at #2. I don't think they'll get cute, nor do I think a QB will be worth taking at #23 that fits what the Jets need at QB. 

I think there exists a scenario where a team overpays for Darnold and Jets grab a veteran from somewhere. But ultimately I think it comes down to Darnold or Wilson. If they get a lot of value for Darnold, they may be willing to part and grab Wilson, maybe pair him with a veteran QB. Andy Dalton immediately comes to mind. In percentages. Below is my pie chart of scenarios: 

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8 minutes ago, football guy said:

I think it's Darnold or QB at #2. I don't think they'll get cute, nor do I think a QB will be worth taking at #23 that fits what the Jets need at QB. 

I think there exists a scenario where a team overpays for Darnold and Jets grab a veteran from somewhere. But ultimately I think it comes down to Darnold or Wilson. If they get a lot of value for Darnold, they may be willing to part and grab Wilson, maybe pair him with a veteran QB. Andy Dalton immediately comes to mind. In percentages. Below is my pie chart of scenarios: 

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6 minutes ago, Samtorobby47 said:

 

OH YEAH?! 

jk...i know you meant for defense.

 

 

or maybe not?

If he gets dealt it will be to the Colts. Makes way too much sense. Not only the HC-QB relationship, but the style of play, the contract, the need, and the GM. Colts can afford to trade their 1st rounder as well as a conditional pick next year that could become a 1st. If Wentz met the conditions (probably would), they get 2 1st round picks and possibly more. 

So fans may ask why would Wentz benefit from a trade more than Darnold? In addition to regression, Wentz has a fractured relationship with many of his teammates. He's not viewed as a leader of that locker room and the players like Hurts better. Couple that with the inevitable blow-up the Eagles are bound to go through, his bloated salary, the need to reset their books due to salary cap issues, the fractured relationship with ownership/front office, and the potential return. 

Darnold has regressed, but players all love him, he's viewed as a leader of the team, Jets have no financial restraints/plenty of draft capital, and he's still cheap. 

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1 minute ago, football guy said:

If he gets dealt it will be to the Colts. Makes way too much sense. Not only the HC-QB relationship, but the style of play, the contract, the need, and the GM. Colts can afford to trade their 1st rounder as well as a conditional pick next year that could become a 1st. If Wentz met the conditions (probably would), they get 2 1st round picks and possibly more. 

So fans may ask why would Wentz benefit from a trade more than Darnold? In addition to regression, Wentz has a fractured relationship with many of his teammates. He's not viewed as a leader of that locker room and the players like Hurts better. Couple that with the inevitable blow-up the Eagles are bound to go through, his bloated salary, the need to reset their books due to salary cap issues, the fractured relationship with ownership/front office, and the potential return. 

Darnold has regressed, but players all love him, he's viewed as a leader of the team, Jets have no financial restraints/plenty of draft capital, and he's still cheap. 

 

So the pro-Wentz Lurie and Roseman fired Pederson but are still open to trading Wentz?  So weird.  If they're not sticking with Wentz this year, what was the point of firing Pederson but not Roseman?  Unless of course they think Reich is the main reason why Wentz had any success there.

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12 minutes ago, football guy said:

I think it's Darnold or QB at #2. I don't think they'll get cute, nor do I think a QB will be worth taking at #23 that fits what the Jets need at QB. 

I think there exists a scenario where a team overpays for Darnold and Jets grab a veteran from somewhere. But ultimately I think it comes down to Darnold or Wilson. If they get a lot of value for Darnold, they may be willing to part and grab Wilson, maybe pair him with a veteran QB. Andy Dalton immediately comes to mind. In percentages. Below is my pie chart of scenarios: 

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4 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

the **** is this

 

Yet another visual representation of our dream getting crushed.

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If I had any responsibility for this decision, one person I would definitely reach out to is Jordan Palmer.  He worked with both Sam and Josh Allen last summer.  He might have the most insight of anyone on the planet to share on these two young QBs.  I would assume that conversation has already happened and therefore the Jets have insight we don't have. 

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20 minutes ago, Samtorobby47 said:

 

OH YEAH?! 

jk...i know you meant for defense.

 

 

or maybe not?

Btw when I said trade with PHI I meant trade for Derek Barnett, then likely draft another DE somewhere in round 1-2 lol

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3 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

 

Yet another visual representation of our dream getting crushed.

I'm not too dissatisfied. I think the Jets are in the best position they could be in possibly ever. 

Either they're sticking with Darnold and will have +5 Day 1 picks, +5 Day 2 picks over a 2 year span, drafting Wilson (my man-crush) and still have 3 additional Day 1 picks and 5 Day 2 picks over the next 2 years.

Fans should've never gotten their hopes up the way they have for Watson. It diminished how well positioned the Jets are to build a sustainable winner from the jump. 

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4 minutes ago, Samtorobby47 said:

Barnett looks kinda JAGy. Barely reaching 5 sacks each season.

True, but he's better than what we have. We need at least 3 more pass rushers IMO. Barrett and a 1st-2nd round pick is a start. I think next year is the year we finally land "the one"... 

Looking at you, Zach Harrison/Zion Tupuola-Fetui/Kayvon Thibodeaux

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3 minutes ago, Waka Flocka Flacco said:

This is the problem when all you got is you know people. Once there's a slow news day you're left with fake numbers and visual AIDS.

Serious questions: how much do you hate life? Does you GF abuse you? Too much pegging? Would love to know

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@football guy

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