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19 minutes ago, SAR I said:

Timing.  Frankly, we’re not ready for a great quarterback to come in here, be happy, and turn us around.  We’re set to get Watson frustrated and injured and demand a trade. 

If we had a winning OL and stacked WR’s it would be perfect.  We can’t have those things if we get cap-strapped.  Putting an M3 engine in a Ford Escort actually makes the car worse, not better.  

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I think the OL and WRs are (or will be) good enough for Watson to make some hay. Darnold was just so bad that it weighed everyone else down. In Flacco’s two November starts, Mims and Perriman looked pretty good and the team averaged 28 ppg. 

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Skip to 35 minutes in https://cms.megaphone.fm/channel/ESP4829428980?selected=ESP6101447083 Rich with a great point. According to the draft chart #2 + #34 = 3160 points. The 16th overall pick wh

The people who can't comprehend how much the 2nd is worth has been driving my mad....it's one thing when it's fans but when it's people who are paid for their opinions it's mindboggling.

Rich def reads this message board.   

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3 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Maybe

It's not rational to take the same money to pay new jersey income tax. Texas has no income tax. Think about all the bonus due to a player making 35 per season 

Which brings us to the jets, why would they want to pay Watson 35 million when they can pay darnold 5? It's not like they care about winning games 

Why would a Kevin Durant and James Harden and Kyrie Irving want to come to Brooklyn? Why do MLB players run to play for the Yankees? These aren’t middle managers at a tech firm making $120k. These are multi-millionaires with teams of accountants who sort this sh*t out. 

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23 minutes ago, SAR I said:

Timing.  Frankly, we’re not ready for a great quarterback to come in here, be happy, and turn us around.  We’re set to get Watson frustrated and injured and demand a trade. 

If we had a winning OL and stacked WR’s it would be perfect.  We can’t have those things if we get cap-strapped.  Putting an M3 engine in a Ford Escort actually makes the car worse, not better.  

SAR I

Great analogy.  Be patient and build through the draft.  Winning games inst the goal next year.  The goal is changing the culture, fielding a team of tough, competitive young players finding there way and building this roster through the draft.

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15 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Who cares why Watson wants to come here? Maybe he’s insane? 

Not saying it's the case, but if the word is football is becoming secondary to tastemaker, it's a flag.

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6 minutes ago, bitonti said:

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It's not rational to take the same money to pay new jersey income tax. Texas has no income tax. Think about all the bonus due to a player making 35 per season 

Which brings us to the jets, why would they want to pay Watson 35 million when they can pay darnold 5? It's not like they care about winning games 

eh...it would be less than $3mm. - I mean nothing to sneeze at - I think the state tax thing is over done though.  When you're making 35 million - 32.15 mm isn't going to kill you if you're happier. 

Heck I live on the NJ - PA border - I can move to PA which has a substantially lower state tax burden.  I don't because I like where I live.  I do the math all the time and proportionally it's a good amount of money but make ultimately being happy is the priority.

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3 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Not saying it's the case, but if the word is football is becoming secondary to tastemaker, it's a flag.

I guess, but if he wants to be a tastemaker while putting up 70%/4800 yards/33td/7int, he can have his own show on Power 105 for all I care.

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3 hours ago, riggy001 said:

We all know this...

Clearly we don't since so many people couldn't believe how many firsts the Rams gave up for Stafford - even though their value wasn't that high and they were dumping Goffs contract. Most fans don't actually pay that close attention and I'm sure it's the same in Houston. That's what can be so frustrating to those of us that do. 

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2 hours ago, T0mShane said:

In either scenario, having the #2 is better than having the #3. They control their fate. And I’d also guarantee that, once Watson is traded, they’re going to start the clock on Culley because it appears he was hired explicitly to keep Watson happy, but was a bottom of the barrel pick otherwise

The sell shouldn’t be “you get Zach Wilson” it should be that with the 2nd pick the Texans will have control of the draft. They can hold the pick ransom for someone who wants to take Sewell or Wilson or even Chase, or they can take any of those guys.

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2 hours ago, bitonti said:

There's no evidence that the Texans value wilson as a qb replacement for Watson. In fact the rumor mill has Zach wilson not on the Texans draft board at all 

This would be to the Jets advantage.  The value of the 2nd pick would increase exponentially if the Texans are locked in on Fields rather than taking whichever QB is available.

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19 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

eh...it would be less than $3mm. - I mean nothing to sneeze at - I think the state tax thing is over done though.  When you're making 35 million - 32.15 mm isn't going to kill you if you're happier. 

Heck I live on the NJ - PA border - I can move to PA which has a substantially lower state tax burden.  I don't because I like where I live.  I do the math all the time and proportionally it's a good amount of money but make ultimately being happy is the priority.

Yeah happiness... 

So what happens when Watson wants 40 per season? Ya know, for his efforts. 

The Jets are not the Brooklyn nets. Woody's not an atm machine type owner. He's more like the guy who uses the team as an atm. 

In for a penny in for a pound, if the Jets trade for Watson, they have to give him exactly what he wants, forever. Or until Watson's body fails him 

Why would the Jets do this? It's like trading for Jamal Adams or prime Revis. The dude is paid so much, he doesn't have to take orders. 

It's way easier to just pay Sam Darnold his 4th year. That guy sucks but he doesn't cause problems 

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9 minutes ago, Green DNA said:

This would be to the Jets advantage.  The value of the 2nd pick would increase exponentially if the Texans are locked in on Fields rather than taking whichever QB is available.

Justin fields and deshaun watson share the same agent 

 

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1 hour ago, Jets723 said:

Agreed.  I don’t know why people think Houston’s back is against the wall....it isn’t.  The Stafford return probably made them smile because it was good news for them as far as getting a massive.  No matter what side of the fence you are on the reality is that the odds of a trade actually happening are pretty slim.  Douglas values draft picks and considering we have the worst roster in the league by far trading a bunch of high picks won’t help build the team.  So it’s ok to dream that’s what’s gear about being a fan but it’s just not realistic. If the Hets were in a better position roster wise then sure it would be great but that’s not the case 

How is the Stafford return massive? They have to take on Goffs contract and most likely get #1s that are closer to second round picks. The last #1 was to take Goff off of their hands. That frees up cap space for them. The Rams made out better than Detroit in the trade. The Rams have a window to win now and a much better QB AND dumped Goffs massive contract to boot. It looks better for Detroit on the surface until you analyze what REALLY happened. 

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1 hour ago, bitonti said:

Yeah happiness... 

So what happens when Watson wants 40 per season? Ya know, for his efforts. 

The Jets are not the Brooklyn nets. Woody's not an atm machine type owner. He's more like the guy who uses the team as an atm. 

In for a penny in for a pound, if the Jets trade for Watson, they have to give him exactly what he wants, forever. Or until Watson's body fails him 

Why would the Jets do this? It's like trading for Jamal Adams or prime Revis. The dude is paid so much, he doesn't have to take orders. 

It's way easier to just pay Sam Darnold his 4th year. That guy sucks but he doesn't cause problems 

Don't get me wrong.  I'm not necessarily in love with the move for Watson.

I'm just saying his reasoning to come here or not - likely has little to do with how much he pays in state taxes..  

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2 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Why would a Kevin Durant and James Harden and Kyrie Irving want to come to Brooklyn? Why do MLB players run to play for the Yankees? These aren’t middle managers at a tech firm making $120k. These are multi-millionaires with teams of accountants who sort this sh*t out. 

Plus really even if it doesn't get sorted out, it's still so much money that it's in effect infinity dollars. Or anyway, if you were going to blow all that much, then avoiding the extra $3MM/year in NY/NJ taxes wasn't going to save you. Also he did just pocket his $27MM signing bonus in TX with no state income tax, too, so there's that. He may want to restructure his upcoming roster bonus as guaranteed salary, too, since I think those are subject to the state played in, and he'll save some for the road games played in states with lower rates than NY/NJ. But all that's semantics, and I'd revert to my original point, which is that he will still be taking in so much it makes no difference. How many more Benleys & Lambos is he going to buy?

Plus the endorsement thing isn't nothing just because bit says so. For the largest/national campaign endorsements, no it probably makes no difference to someone at his level (FFS Manning played in Indy & Denver, yet his elongated head was on our TVs for 20+ years). Case in point, Watson already has/had deals with huge brands like Nike, Rolex, & Beats. But there's also a massive amount of more local endorsements (and appearances) for which they get paid, and cumulatively that adds up to more than he's getting from H-E-B, Zurvita, and such. Could/should easily offset the state tax if it matters to him that much.

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11 hours ago, Jetsbb said:

It is definitely not "slightly more" if that difference is between the Texans getting the QB they want and not getting the QB they want.

Except they already have the QB they want, if Watson didn't like Houston he shouldn't have signed the new contract then he could have gone anywhere he wanted as a FA..

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6 hours ago, Wonderboy said:

I myself would never drive a civic. I have an Accord thank you very much.

In the 70s I had a little cherry Civic with a wooden steering wheel and stick.  I could barely fit in It but it was a regular babe magnet.  But have had several Accords since then and hard to argue with that.

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13 hours ago, Jetsbb said:

Skip to 35 minutes in https://cms.megaphone.fm/channel/ESP4829428980?selected=ESP6101447083

Rich with a great point. According to the draft chart #2 + #34 = 3160 points. The 16th overall pick which is a mid first rounder is equal to 1000.

Yup. And it's completely fine for the Texans to come out and start negotiations with 2 first rounders, 2 second rounders and two defensive starters. They were never going to get that, but that's where they decided to start things off. 

I could see the Jets giving up the #2 overall pick, their second rounder and throwing in a second rounder next year or a young starter on defense (Shepherd, Cashman, maybe K.Phillips, maybe even Bless), but not any promising rookie from last year like Hall or even Zuniga. And certainly not a premier building block like Q. I could even see the Jets going as far as 2 first round pick- #2 and Seattles this year, but no players. Maybe a conditional 5th next year as a sweetener if Watson stays healthy and plays a certain number of games. MAYBE Darnold is involved in either offer as a sweetener- he would really be an odd man out if the Jets got Watson (even though they could still trade him).

Other teams will not give Houston better offers once the dust settles. Miami WILL NOT give them the #3 and #18 picks with Tua or any sweeteners.  

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