Jetsfan80 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 43 minutes ago, football guy said: When I say a gentlemen's agreement I don't mean that it's already agreed upon, rather, they have an understanding... I don't think that understanding stops the Panthers from evaluating other options, just as the Jets will do their due diligence as well, but they agree at the very least what the price should be for #2 if the teams choose to act on it Ultimately, I see them agreeing to a trade before the draft So this is like if a friend zoned dude and his female friend had a "if neither of us are married by 30...." kind of agreement? (Tagging @CTM, @Spoot-Face, @The Crusher, @Integrity28, @GATA and @JiF proactively on this softball. The jokes are coming regardless) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: So this is like if a friend zoned dude and his female friend had a "if neither of us are married by 30...." kind of agreement? (Tagging @CTM, @Spoot-Face, @The Crusher, @Integrity28 and @JiF proactively on this softball. The jokes are coming regardless) ya @GATA include @GATA 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 16 minutes ago, doitny said: no cause more picks equal more players. that why teams trade down, they trade there 5 dollars bills for 2 or 3 one dollars cause there rebuilding and need the players No, it doesn't. As you say, teams trade down. The Lions could have taken that # 8 pick from Carolina and traded down for a lot better picks than what they got from the Rams if they wanted "more players". And they wouldn't have had to wait until 2022 and 2023 to draft them. Draft capital matters, not just the number of picks you get that are 1st rounders. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 21 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Huh? We're talking about Stafford for the # 8 pick from Carolina or Stafford for the Rams package. Goff would have had nothing to do with Carolina. The Lions took on the Goff salary for no good reason. Slow down 80! Back-to-back-to back-to back posts....... you're on a mission today!! You must be snowed in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 1 hour ago, 32EBoozer said: Slow down 80! Back-to-back-to back-to back posts....... you're on a mission today!! You must be snowed in. No sir! I live in southeastern North Carolina. It's not warm today by any means (41 degrees) but it definitely didn't snow here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MykePM Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 4 hours ago, More Cowbell said: Honestly, I don't think Douglas gives a crap about Watson. The deal woukd have been made by now. By that criteria, I guess none of the teams in the league give a crap about Watson. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 14 minutes ago, MykePM said: By that criteria, I guess none of the teams in the league give a crap about Watson. There are only two realistic destinations, us and Miami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
football guy Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Augustiniak said: are you saying that the jets and carolina have discussed a trade-day swap where the panthers get to 2, and the jets fall back to 8? I'm saying that the teams have an understanding what it would take to go from 8 to 2, and Carolina sounds like they're OK with what the ask is (1st, 2nd, plus future 1st, 2nd and maybe a few pick swaps). They'll go after veterans (now that Stafford is off the market, all that's left who may interest them is Deshaun and Wentz, who probably won't be traded), but once it becomes clear that there is no veteran option I think they'll execute the trade before someone else does, but it would be foolish of them to do so without finalizing their reviews of the prospects. I'm convinced that they already know this trade is inevitable, but I haven't been told that explicitly... I've explicitly been told that they both seem to be OK with the framework if a deal were to happen. I don't expect a trade until end of March/beginning of April, but would expect it to happen before draft-day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Island Leprechaun Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 5 hours ago, JTJet said: Cousin. according to Urban Dictionary it's "couch," but I prefer "cormorant." It's more colorful and difficult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
football guy Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 2 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: So this is like if a friend zoned dude and his female friend had a "if neither of us are married by 30...." kind of agreement? (Tagging @CTM, @Spoot-Face, @The Crusher, @Integrity28, @GATA and @JiF proactively on this softball. The jokes are coming regardless) Lol I would say this is a pretty perfect analogy. Douglas has a relationship with Fitterer and they understand each other's positions and realize the organic nature of these talks, which made the initial talks smooth. I think both teams will do their due diligence - especially the Panthers - but once it becomes clear that no veteran options are available (Deshaun being really the last one out there), the Panthers will return and look to strike a deal before someone else does. The Jets can afford to be patient, but Carolina can't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTJet Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 17 minutes ago, Long Island Leprechaun said: according to Urban Dictionary it's "couch," but I prefer "cormorant." It's more colorful and difficult. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 20 minutes ago, football guy said: I'm saying that the teams have an understanding what it would take to go from 8 to 2, and Carolina sounds like they're OK with what the ask is (1st, 2nd, plus future 1st, 2nd and maybe a few pick swaps). They'll go after veterans (now that Stafford is off the market, all that's left who may interest them is Deshaun and Wentz, who probably won't be traded), but once it becomes clear that there is no veteran option I think they'll execute the trade before someone else does, but it would be foolish of them to do so without finalizing their reviews of the prospects. I'm convinced that they already know this trade is inevitable, but I haven't been told that explicitly... I've explicitly been told that they both seem to be OK with the framework if a deal were to happen. I don't expect a trade until end of March/beginning of April, but would expect it to happen before draft-day. so let's say the jets trade back to 8 and keep darnold for at least 1 more year. let's also say that in the first 7 picks, 3 qbs are taken, along with devonta smith, chase and sewell. if the draft unfolds like this, and one other player is taken before the jets pick at 8, what do you think the jets do at 8? sure they could always draft defense, but with the worst offense in the nfl, and no change at qb, who are the jets taking to infuse talent into their offense, which playmakers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 31 minutes ago, football guy said: I'm saying that the teams have an understanding what it would take to go from 8 to 2, and Carolina sounds like they're OK with what the ask is (1st, 2nd, plus future 1st, 2nd and maybe a few pick swaps). They'll go after veterans (now that Stafford is off the market, all that's left who may interest them is Deshaun and Wentz, who probably won't be traded), but once it becomes clear that there is no veteran option I think they'll execute the trade before someone else does, but it would be foolish of them to do so without finalizing their reviews of the prospects. I'm convinced that they already know this trade is inevitable, but I haven't been told that explicitly... I've explicitly been told that they both seem to be OK with the framework if a deal were to happen. I don't expect a trade until end of March/beginning of April, but would expect it to happen before draft-day. Ehhhhhh seems kinda skimpy for trading up to #2 for a QB. Future 1 and 2 two's? I want MORE. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icer Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 17 minutes ago, Augustiniak said: so let's say the jets trade back to 8 and keep darnold for at least 1 more year. let's also say that in the first 7 picks, 3 qbs are taken, along with devonta smith, chase and sewell. if the draft unfolds like this, and one other player is taken before the jets pick at 8, what do you think the jets do at 8? sure they could always draft defense, but with the worst offense in the nfl, and no change at qb, who are the jets taking to infuse talent into their offense, which playmakers? If things unfold this way I'd say there's a big chance of Patrick Surtain or Kyle Pitts at #8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jago Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 All this tells me jets dont believe in Sam. But most of us already knew this probably the case but also its JD’s job to know the qb market from all angles so the more chats the better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 13 minutes ago, Icer said: If things unfold this way I'd say there's a big chance of Patrick Surtain or Kyle Pitts at #8 i forgot pitts, he could be our new kittle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MykePM Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 39 minutes ago, Samtorobby47 said: Ehhhhhh seems kinda skimpy for trading up to #2 for a QB. Future 1 and 2 two's? I want MORE. I agree. If you subscribe to the “future pick = 1 round lower” philosophy, moving down from #2 to #8 would get us 2 second rounders and a third. That’s less than what we gave up for Sam, and that was a smaller jump. By the draft value chart, we gave up more for a 600 point jump than Carolina would be giving up for a 1200 point jump - and there is much greater certainty of what will be available for our #2 than there was for the Colts’ #3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GQMartin Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 4 hours ago, football guy said: When I say a gentlemen's agreement I don't mean that it's already agreed upon, rather, they have an understanding... I don't think that understanding stops the Panthers from evaluating other options, just as the Jets will do their due diligence as well, but they agree at the very least what the price should be for #2 if the teams choose to act on it Ultimately, I see them agreeing to a trade before the draft Can you link me the post where you discuss this please? I missed it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 5 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said: That would have been a far better move than what he did instead: stay at #20 to draft D.Lee use 2nd round pick #51 to draft Hackenberg hold onto, and then extend M.Wilkerson at $17MM/year (effectively $18.5MM/year x 2 yrs) -- he was to be part of the trade up to #1 re-sign Fitzpatrick right after that extension at $12MM which then led to signing McCown for $8MM in 2017 and then another $10MM in 2018 which then led to using the #6 pick plus three more 2nd round picks for Darnold Since passing on that trade-up, the Jets had win totals of: 5, 5, 4, 7*, 2. The * is because we were gifted that 7th win, playing against the Bills' backups & usually-inactive backups to the backups. Meanwhile the supposedly dumber-by-comparison Rams haven't had a losing record since Goff's rookie season ended, and even went to a SB. If Darnold (or Smith or Sanchez or Pennington) had Goff's divisional-round game, the usual suspects would be blaming the coach and the defense while they absolved The Precious. You missed your calling - Horror movie critic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 They just wanted to check on compensation obviously jeez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 7 hours ago, Jetster said: Macc keeps coming up as the worst GM in history regarding the QB position. Tries to sign Cousins, tries to trade way up for Goff, drafts Hackenberg, passes on Watson, passes on Mahomes, trades three #2s to trade up in a draft & picks the wrong guy in Darnold. You'd think he did something like this in 10 years! Add allowing Geno to start the season when he became GM and you have the worse Jets GM in history. And he actually was voted Exec of the year in his first year. OMG 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Another bullet dodged Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 8 hours ago, oatmeal said: What’s truly amazing is how many chances QBs and CBs get in this league. Goff blows but apparently he’s still viewed “highly” around the league ? Reminds me of Jeff George how these teams get enamored with physical tools and most fans can see the writing on the wall that the player blows I’m not a Goff guy but he has actually won playoff games and gotten to a super bowl while Matt Stafford has won donut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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