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4 hours ago, Biggs said:

The reason our capital is surrounding by fencing is there is a 5th column in this country that's been normalized by one of the two political parties.   Are you seriously suggesting that slut shaming them is an over reaction?  

By the way, what exactly is the 4th column? There are 3 branches of govt. so I'm not sure what "columns" you are talking about?

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7 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said:

By the way, what exactly is the 4th column? There are 3 branches of govt. so I'm not sure what "columns" you are talking about?

https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-1-349-23899-6_8

The Mass Media: Fourth Estate or Fifth Column?

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The Victorian writer Thomas Carlyle called the press the ‘Fourth Estate of the Realm’. By this he meant that it acted as a sort of watchdog of the constitution and, as such, formed a vital part of democratic government. Most modern writers would agree that the mass media should play a central role in sustaining and developing democracy: the media should present a full, fair, and accurate account of the news, they should inform and educate the general public, and they should cover a wide range of political opinions and positions (Keane, 1992). Many modern writers, however, are concerned that the mass media no longer play their proper democratic role. They believe that far from being the fourth estate, the media are becoming a sort of fifth column that threatens democracy from within. Some commentators believe that the threat is strongest in Britain. This chapter considers the competing views of fourth estate and fifth column writers in modern Britain.

 

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_branch_of_government

In politics of the United States, the fourth branch of government is an unofficial term referring to groups or institutions perceived variously as influencing or acting in the stead of the three branches of the US federal government defined in the Constitution of the United States (legislative, executive and judicial). Views as to whether the influence is due or undue or the actions are for good or ill also vary.

Such groups can include the press (as a departure from the 'Fourth Estate'), the people (in sum or as grand juries), and interest groups. The independent administrative agencies of the United States government, while technically part of any one of the three branches, may also be referred to as a ‘fourth branch’.

The U.S. intelligence community has also increasingly been seen as a fourth branch. In this regard, the 'fourth branch' aspect of the intelligence community together with interest groups and other external actors intersects significantly with the construct of the 'deep state'.

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4 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-1-349-23899-6_8

The Mass Media: Fourth Estate or Fifth Column?

Abstract

The Victorian writer Thomas Carlyle called the press the ‘Fourth Estate of the Realm’. By this he meant that it acted as a sort of watchdog of the constitution and, as such, formed a vital part of democratic government. Most modern writers would agree that the mass media should play a central role in sustaining and developing democracy: the media should present a full, fair, and accurate account of the news, they should inform and educate the general public, and they should cover a wide range of political opinions and positions (Keane, 1992). Many modern writers, however, are concerned that the mass media no longer play their proper democratic role. They believe that far from being the fourth estate, the media are becoming a sort of fifth column that threatens democracy from within. Some commentators believe that the threat is strongest in Britain. This chapter considers the competing views of fourth estate and fifth column writers in modern Britain.

The U.S. intelligence community has also increasingly been seen as a fourth branch. In this regard, the 'fourth branch' aspect of the intelligence community together with interest groups and other external actors intersects significantly with the construct of the 'deep state'.

We are in a whole lot of trouble if the press corp is the 4th pillar! 

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1 minute ago, 32EBoozer said:

We are in a whole lot of trouble if the press corp is the 4th pillar! 

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The other option is Special Interest groups, so....

The press not doing their jobs well enough is a problem.  But there's a necessity that they at least try to do so.  Special Interests don't do anything positive for society.

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13 hours ago, Warfish said:

Nothing you've posted has changed my initial evaluation of you. 

You demand the freedom to express your views without respect for that very same freedom being expressed by others.  You want all the rights, with none of the societal responsibility.

You also very clearly have a deep fear of being "cancelled" for your own views, likely because you know those views would be considered problematic in the eyes of many in 2021.

It must truly be sad to live in such constant fear and paranoia, worried that the "woke cancel culture cucks" are coming for you.  Best of luck.  

May need to take a few classes in sociology because your "evaluation" of me is totally off. I seek for everyone to express their views without being labelled as deplorable and being silenced for their views. I do not fear of being cancelled - I can care less. I fear of all the people who don't have as much guts and conviction as I do that are sitting in their classrooms soaking in the world around them, being socially re-engineered to fall in line with how information providers/pop-culture/MSM/influencers/etc. want them to think. I fear for the people who are ostracized because their views aren't "popular". That goes for anyone across all spectrums. I can have an opinion, but my expectation is that people who have an opposite opinion of mine can have one too without being "cancelled" for it.

 

14 hours ago, RutgersJetFan said:

Actual cuckold porn doesn’t use the word cuck this much. Or at least that’s what I’ve heard about cuckold porn. 

 

6 hours ago, Irish Jet said:

Anyone who uses the term "cuck" should be cancelled. 

Cuck is a great word because it comes with so many meanings. It's no different than any other curse word, but the difference is you can't use "F***" or "S***" or "B****" on message boards without it getting censored. Hence, I use cuck, to which I define as a "weak or servile man"... not necessarily the porn reference lol. If you call someone a "F***", I would think many would believe that means they're "worthless", but it can mean a ton of other things. Don't look too much into this. 

1 hour ago, Samtorobby47 said:

Football guy is great with the inside info but boy does he have a weakness...hate to lose a good soldier like this.

Epic fail and a perfect depiction of what is wrong in today's world. You acknowledge my strengths, but because you perceive some of my points of view as weaknesses, I'm a "lost soldier"? Learn how to appreciate people for the positive they bring and agree to disagree with perspectives that don't fit your agenda. I didn't kill your dog dude. Grow up. 

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Just now, Bugg said:

JI fell badly in no small part because politics. Want nothing to do with any of that here. This is an escape form all that. 

Unfortunately, we've become super hyper-politicized as a society over the past decade. When I was a kid, my parents occasionally talked about politics. Now, it seems like everyone talks about politics everyday. It's just so unhealthy and counterproductive, IMO. 

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17 minutes ago, football guy said:

I seek for everyone to express their views without being labelled as deplorable and being silenced for their views.

So you're ok with calling people cuck, but you're not ok with calling people deplorable.  Hypocrisy is definitely a thing here.

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I do not fear of being cancelled - I can care less.

Lol, suuuuuure.

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I fear of all the people who don't have as much guts and conviction as I do

You truly are a Hero for the Ages.  All those guts and conviction.

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that are sitting in their classrooms soaking in the world around them, being socially re-engineered to fall in line with how information providers/pop-culture/MSM/influencers/etc. want them to think.

Which as you see it is everyone else.  But not you. Because guts and stuff.

Despite your all-but-directly-quoting a very specific rhetorical position you most certainly didn't come up with on your own, YOU sir are no indoctrinated sheep.  You think for yourself, it's just coincidence your view could by a copypasta from certain web sites Op Ed articles.

Man if must be so great to be a non-Beta, non-Cuck real man like you.  

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I fear for the people who are ostracized because their views aren't "popular".

i.e. you.  Rather obviously.  

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That goes for anyone across all spectrums.

Sure it does.  I totally believe you.  Really. :-k

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I can have an opinion, but my expectation is that people who have an opposite opinion of mine can have one too without being "cancelled" for it.

Here is your mistake, you can have an "expectation", but our right to free speech means your expectation means exactly piss all to the rest of us.

If you come, for example, to JN and start calling everyone the N-word in every post, you will be cancelled here. 

Rightfully so in my personal opinion.  And probably in the opinion of the vast majority.  This is one way society self-regulates itself.  People "cancel", i.e. are critical of or ban them from private property, all the time, for every reason under the sun.  

Doesn't mean you can't think it or say it publicly elsewhere, of course, no "cancelation" can actually stop you from enjoying your free speech in any way.  The public square is always there for you, no matter how vile your views might or might not be.  

 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Warfish said:

So you're ok with calling people cuck, but you're not ok with calling people deplorable.  Hypocrisy is definitely a thing here.

Lol, suuuuuure.

You truly are a Hero for the Ages.  All those guts and conviction.

Which as you see it is everyone else.  But not you. Because guts and stuff.

Despite your all-but-directly-quoting a very specific rhetorical position you most certainly didn't come up with on your own, YOU sir are no indoctrinated sheep.  You think for yourself, it's just coincidence your view could by a copypasta from certain web sites Op Ed articles.

Man if must be so great to be a non-Beta, non-Cuck real man like you.  

i.e. you.  Rather obviously.  

Sure it does.  I totally believe you.  Really. :-k

Here is your mistake, you can have an "expectation", but our right to free speech means your expectation means exactly piss all to the rest of us.

If you come, for example, to JN and start calling everyone the N-word in every post, you will be cancelled here. 

Rightfully so in my personal opinion.  And probably in the opinion of the vast majority.  This is one way society self-regulates itself.  People "cancel", i.e. are critical of or ban them from private property, all the time, for every reason under the sun.  

Doesn't mean you can't think it or say it publicly elsewhere, of course, no "cancelation" can actually stop you from enjoying your free speech in any way.  The public square is always there for you, no matter how vile your views might or might not be.  

Call me a cuck all you like. Don't segregate an entire class of people as deplorable because you don't agree with their perspective, cuck. 

Because you're so thick headed and can't seem to see things from perspectives that don't represent your own agendas, here is another one: I don't like BLM because they have a history of agendas which go against my value system (i.e. dismantling the nuclear family). I hate how their leadership uses marxist pressure tactics, such as violence, as a means to achieve their political goals. Those who act out violently are terrorists. I recognize that they do good work and the movement itself does not necessarily represent the organization's original goals, rather, represents achieving positive social change. There are a lot of people who support this group that are my friends, my family, that I respect on television, in movies, etc. I agree to disagree with these people on the topic of BLM, but understand why they support it. 

^ that is not "cancelling". That is not selfishness. That is what's called empathy --- something you will never understand. There is a high correlation between those who virtue signal, seek overcompensation for their beliefs, willfully engage in manipulation, and display absolutism with being narcissistic. You may want to get that checked out.
 

I'm done here before it gets ugly. If you want to discuss this off this platform, feel free to DM me and we can exchange information. 

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15 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

Unfortunately, we've become super hyper-politicized as a society over the past decade. When I was a kid, my parents occasionally talked about politics. Now, it seems like everyone talks about politics everyday. It's just so unhealthy and counterproductive, IMO. 

It’s not everywhere. Traveled back to the northeast for Christmas and people are obsessed. Not nearly as in your face or part of daily life in the southeast.  Parts of NY I truly miss, but covid lockdowns + politics, Karen syndrome and too much time on their hands have people going loopy. It’s a godsend not to have to deal with that on a daily basis. Sports should be an escape. 

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3 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

It’s not everywhere. Traveled back to the northeast for Christmas and people are obsessed. Not nearly as in your face or part of daily life in the southeast.  Parts of NY I truly miss, but covid lockdowns + politics, Karen syndrome and too much time on their hands have people going loopy. It’s a godsend not to have to deal with that on a daily basis. Sports should be an escape. 

You are lucky. I grew up in the northeast (and have also lived on the west coast) and currently live in the midwest. It's really bad here and it's even worse in a lot of places I've visited in recent times. Folks have become so radicalized in recent years, it's getting scary. I'm a political moderate and it's gotten to the point that I refuse to talk politics with anyone who isn't my wife. Just terrible all the way around. 

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23 minutes ago, football guy said:

Cuck is a great word because it comes with so many meanings. It's no different than any other curse word, but the difference is you can't use "F***" or "S***" or "B****" on message boards without it getting censored. Hence, I use cuck, to which I define as a "weak or servile man"... not necessarily the porn reference lol. If you call someone a "F***", I would think many would believe that means they're "worthless", but it can mean a ton of other things. Don't look too much into this. 

Oh, gotcha. I thought the overuse was due to projecting because of seeking validation by blowing Jets interns so you could post internet gossip. But yeah this makes total sense too. 

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5 minutes ago, football guy said:

Call me a cuck all you like.

No thanks.

5 minutes ago, football guy said:

Don't segregate an entire class of people as deplorable because you don't agree with their perspective, cuck. 

I don't think you actually know what most of the words you use mean. 

5 minutes ago, football guy said:

I don't like BLM because they have a history of agendas which go against my value system (i.e. dismantling the nuclear family). I hate how their leadership uses marxist pressure tactics, such as violence, as a means to achieve their political goals. Those who act out violently are terrorists. I recognize that they do good work and the movement itself does not necessarily represent the organization's original goals, rather, represents achieving positive social change. There are a lot of people who support this group that are my friends, my family, that I respect on television, in movies, etc. I agree to disagree with these people on the topic of BLM, but understand why they support it. 

Cool story.

5 minutes ago, football guy said:

That is what's called empathy --- something you will never understand.

Were you showing empathy when you called me a Cuck, or no?  Just curious.

5 minutes ago, football guy said:

I'm done here before it gets ugly.

Why would it get ugly?  

5 minutes ago, football guy said:

If you want to discuss this off this platform, feel free to DM me and we can exchange information. 

I don't.  At all.  Thanks tho.  

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26 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

Unfortunately, we've become super hyper-politicized as a society over the past decade. When I was a kid, my parents occasionally talked about politics. Now, it seems like everyone talks about politics everyday. It's just so unhealthy and counterproductive, IMO. 

Same here. I was born late 1957, and really started to understand stuff around 67-68. Grew up during some crazy times, LBJ, the war, Woodstock, Manson, Nixon, Watergate, etc. The difference was, you could intelligently and calmly discuss things with people of opposing views, and not be afraid of losing longtime friendships or worse, violent rebuttal. I can remember many times actually learning from these discussions and while maybe not changing my view, at least understanding why others felt different than I did, and most importantly,respecting another person's point of view. Sadly, unless we are blessed with a miracle just short of the Jets ever winning another Super Bowl, I honestly think those days are long gone.

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10 minutes ago, southparkcpa said:

Just bought a vacation property here in NC where you can drive on the beach.  Was gonna get a Grand Cherokee.  Thoughts?

 

I want something with $WD BUT still looks professional when I pull up at clients.

My family owns 3 Grand Cherokees 2011-2014-2019 and 1 2020 Cherokee we like them all. 

Prior my son had a Jeep Wrangler really fun vehicle just not smooth riding. 

Quality vehicles that are unstoppable in the snow. 

My wife is a healthcare worker and has to be at work she has never had an issue even in deep snow. 

They are also very reliable. 

We maintain our vehicles oil always changed every 3000 miles. 

They are loaded with options like leather, navigation,full moon roofs, etc. 

Jeep also gives good deals. 

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2 hours ago, football guy said:

May need to take a few classes in sociology because your "evaluation" of me is totally off. I seek for everyone to express their views without being labelled as deplorable and being silenced for their views. I do not fear of being cancelled - I can care less. I fear of all the people who don't have as much guts and conviction as I do that are sitting in their classrooms soaking in the world around them, being socially re-engineered to fall in line with how information providers/pop-culture/MSM/influencers/etc. want them to think. I fear for the people who are ostracized because their views aren't "popular". That goes for anyone across all spectrums. I can have an opinion, but my expectation is that people who have an opposite opinion of mine can have one too without being "cancelled" for it.

Cuck is a great word because it comes with so many meanings. It's no different than any other curse word, but the difference is you can't use "F***" or "S***" or "B****" on message boards without it getting censored. Hence, I use cuck, to which I define as a "weak or servile man"... not necessarily the porn reference lol. If you call someone a "F***", I would think many would believe that means they're "worthless", but it can mean a ton of other things. Don't look too much into this. 

Epic fail and a perfect depiction of what is wrong in today's world. You acknowledge my strengths, but because you perceive some of my points of view as weaknesses, I'm a "lost soldier"? Learn how to appreciate people for the positive they bring and agree to disagree with perspectives that don't fit your agenda. I didn't kill your dog dude. Grow up. 

I find it refreshing that a man your age leans conservative. I am in my late 50's and I fear for my 3 sons in the future dystopian world being thrusted upon us. The little guy (low income & middle class families) will suffer the most in the end. The government has become and will continue to be a rendition of the Politburo where people go and become millionaires and pass on their jobs to their sons and daughters. Family members profit by selling access to the highest levels of government and the media turns a blind eye because they are a part of it. An all consuming orgy of power and privaledge among the elite. And the people who blindly participated in securing their power will be left to fend for themselves.

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9 minutes ago, southparkcpa said:

Just bought a vacation property here in NC where you can drive on the beach.  Was gonna get a Grand Cherokee.  Thoughts?

 

I want something with $WD BUT still looks professional when I pull up at clients.

Great for tailgating. I know you still have Charlotte Jets fan club in you.😎Still one of my favorite Jet road trips......you guys put on a first class party.

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2 hours ago, 32EBoozer said:

Will have to get the opinion of your children and grandchildren as they will be the ones facing the consequences.

Clearly you prefer the facsist leanings of the deluded conspiracy theorist right. Springsteen is right, we need to bring back unity to the United States. The very small minority of people on the far left and far right are destroying this country with FRINGE beliefs when the vast majority are somewhere just left or just right of center. The last election was a repudiation of extremism. 

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5 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said:

I find it refreshing that a man your age leans conservative. I am in my late 50's and I fear for my 3 sons in the future dystopian world being thrusted upon us. The little guy (low income & middle class families) will suffer the most in the end. The government has become and will continue to be a rendition of the Politburo where people go and become millionaires and pass on their jobs to their sons and daughters. Family members profit by seeling access to the highest levels of government and the media turns a blind eye because they are a part of it. An all consuming orgy of power and privaledge among the elite. And the people who blindly participated in securing their power will be left to fend for themselves.

Too many people think the sky is falling and that we're on the verge of fascism or communism.

I think @slimjasi has it right in this thread. Folks have just become rabid and hyperbolic when they talk about this sh*t. 

And too many bad actors stand to benefit from ratcheting up the doomsday scenarios of what will happen if someone they don't agree with holds office or has cultural clout. 

If there's ever been a time to turn of the news, get off social media (other than Jets fans forums, of course), abandon political conversations and live a simpler life... it's now. 

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1 minute ago, johnnysd said:

Clearly you prefer the facsist leanings of the deluded conspiracy theorist right. Springsteen is right, we need to bring back unity to the United States. The very small minority of people on the far left and far right are destroying this country with FRINGE beliefs when the vast majority are somewhere just left or just right of center. The last election was a repudiation of extremism. 

I don't know if I would call 51.3% of the vote a repudiation! Especially where their were strong beliefs of fraud were rampant. The guy who couldn't draw a crowd of 50 people, running from his basement, doing horribly in the primaries until SC somehow got 81 million votes. 

I'm not destroying anything.... I am the one trying to stand up for 1 vote =1 citizen. I care about this country. My heart aches for the inner city children in Chicago, Newark, LA who have been at the mercy of a political group that shows up every election cycle then leaves. When I see the corruption in government I wonder how these crooks get re-elected. I sure as hell am not voting for them... Republican or democrat

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Just now, RedBeardedSavage said:

Too many people think the sky is falling and that we're on the verge of fascism or communism.

I think @slimjasi has it right in this thread. Folks have just become rabid and hyperbolic when they talk about this sh*t. 

And too many bad actors stand to benefit from ratcheting up the doomsday scenarios of what will happen if someone they don't agree with holds office or has cultural clout. 

If there's ever been a time to turn of the news, get off social media (other than Jets fans forums, of course), abandon political conversations and live a simpler life... it's now. 

I would agree, but a misinformed electorate is a doomed electorate. Power corrupts & absolute power corrupts absolutely.

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9 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

Clearly you prefer the facsist leanings of the deluded conspiracy theorist right. Springsteen is right, we need to bring back unity to the United States. The very small minority of people on the far left and far right are destroying this country with FRINGE beliefs when the vast majority are somewhere just left or just right of center. The last election was a repudiation of extremism. 

Social media has expedited the demise of the country. The uber-woke left and the lunatic far right are the loudest voices on Twitter and they set the conversation on both sides. Also, if you don’t conform to one of the extreme sides you are ostracized.

The Social Dilemma on Netflix is a must watch for anyone who hasn’t seen it. 

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10 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said:

I would agree, but a misinformed electorate is a doomed electorate. Power corrupts & absolute power corrupts absolutely.

I don't really know how that cliche on power applies to what I was saying.

I think people need to shut off the news and get off social media. This doesn't mean you'll be uninformed. In fact, you'll likely be better informed without either of those things in your life. 

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2 minutes ago, RedBeardedSavage said:

I don't really know how that cliche on power applies to what I was saying.

I think people need to shut off the news and get off social media. This doesn't mean you'll be uninformed. In fact, you'll likely better informed without either of those things in your life. 

We were fine with 22 minutes of Walter Cronkite every night 

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