Popular Post JetPotato Posted February 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 9, 2021 Can we all just agree in joyous laughter by bringing Andrew Thomas into this discussion? 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post #27TheDominator Posted February 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 9, 2021 2 hours ago, carlito1171 said: The two situations these players were in aren’t worth comparing and you’re completely downplaying the difference between playing RT for a QB who historically gets the ball out super quick. And playing LT for a QB that historically holds the ball entirely too long. It’s a waste of time trying to compare this....they are both great young players with a ton of upside....why not just leave it there? It's the offseason and there is no combine. We are about 10 days from threads comparing New Coke to Pepsi Maxx. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 4 hours ago, #27TheDominator said: Jarron Gilbert too, amirite? Who was the Becton-sized tackle prospect who used to do backflips or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelticwizard Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 I have to disagree about the idea that there is no real difference between RT and LT. While pass rushers do change sides occasionally as a strategy, and sometimes the rusher facing the RT actually turns out to have a better year than the one facing the LT, traditionally the coach puts the guy who he thinks is his best rusher vs the LT. The LT will be facing the best rushers most of the time. That makes the LT job harder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 3 hours ago, JoJoTownsell1 said: This is an all time SOJF post. Becton came out as a long term project and excelled year 1 pretty much exceeding everyone's expectations for him on a crappy team. But yeah, Wirfs had a better year one. No idea why that should matter to us. Saquon was a better draft pick year 1 than Josh allen. Pretty sure bills fans are happier today than Giants fans. you don't get it... YOU JUST DON'T GET IT!!! Lets face it! If the Jets had drafted Wirfs instead of Becton we would have obviously just WON the SB!!! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 22 minutes ago, kelticwizard said: I have to disagree about the idea that there is no real difference between RT and LT. While pass rushers do change sides occasionally as a strategy, and sometimes the rusher facing the RT actually turns out to have a better year than the one facing the LT, traditionally the coach puts the guy who he thinks is his best rusher vs the LT. The LT will be facing the best rushers most of the time. That makes the LT job harder. No there is no difference they only pay LTs MILLIONS more than RT cause teams have nothing better to do with their money!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker89 Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 5 hours ago, Irish Jet said: Poor defensive coordinators having no choice but to send their best talent against left tackles. What is it illegal to rush from the right? Nonsense. Absolute f*cking nonsense. Considering rushing from the left you are rushing the QBs Blind side (90% of humans are right handed making their blind side their left side) the best pass rusher is put on the QBs Blind side and the most athletic OT on the left side to protect it. The QB is more apt to see a rush getting through on the right side because ....you know .... his eyes are on the front of his head. So yes the right side is easier for the RT to play because of the lesser competition and the fact that the QB can more readily adapt to a bad situation coming from the right. The left side is harder and requires more skill because of logic and evidence. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 28 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said: Who was the Becton-sized tackle prospect who used to do backflips or something? Khalen Saunders? He was a third of the Chiefs and he has a ring. Just one. Boo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 5 minutes ago, Charlie Brown said: No there is no difference they only pay LTs MILLIONS more than RT cause teams have nothing better to do with their money!!! They cost the same according to the franchise tag figures. So do guards and centers. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 7 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: They cost the same according to the franchise tag figures. So do guards and centers. I actually didn't know that!!!!!!! I truly though LT were paid more! I appreciate that Info!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, Charlie Brown said: I actually didn't know that!!!!!!! I truly though LT were paid more! I appreciate that Info!!!! They're paid more by teams. But the franchise tag, for which the league decides which position groups are put together, lumps LT's and RT's in together. Not the same thing. Top 10 LT salaries, per overthecap.com: Player Team Age Total Value Avg./Year Total Guaranteed Fully Guaranteed Free Agency David Bakhtiari Packers 30 $92,000,000 $23,000,000 $30,000,000 $30,000,000 2025 UFA Laremy Tunsil Texans 27 $66,000,000 $22,000,000 $50,000,000 $40,000,000 2024 UFA Ronnie Stanley Ravens 27 $98,750,000 $19,750,000 $70,866,000 $64,116,000 2026 UFA Garett Bolles Broncos 29 $68,000,000 $17,000,000 $40,000,000 $21,000,000 2025 UFA Taylor Lewan Titans 30 $80,000,000 $16,000,000 $50,000,000 $34,000,000 2024 UFA Nate Solder Giants 33 $62,000,000 $15,500,000 $34,800,000 $34,800,000 2023 UFA Taylor Decker Lions 27 $59,650,000 $14,912,500 $37,500,000 $29,000,000 2025 Void D.J. Humphries Cardinals 28 $44,250,000 $14,750,000 $29,000,000 $29,000,000 2023 UFA Dion Dawkins Bills 27 $58,300,000 $14,575,000 $32,500,000 $29,500,441 2025 UFA Jake Matthews Falcons 29 $72,500,000 $14,500,000 $41,350,000 $25,946,000 2024 UFA Top 10 RT salaries: Player Team Age Total Value Avg./Year Total Guaranteed Fully Guaranteed Free Agency Lane Johnson Eagles 31 $72,000,000 $18,000,000 $55,845,000 $25,000,000 2026 Void Trent Brown Raiders 28 $66,000,000 $16,500,000 $36,250,000 $36,250,000 2023 UFA Jack Conklin Browns 27 $42,000,000 $14,000,000 $30,000,000 $30,000,000 2023 Void Ja'Wuan James Broncos 29 $51,000,000 $12,750,000 $32,000,000 $27,000,000 2024 UFA Mitchell Schwartz Chiefs 32 $11,255,000 $11,255,000 $17,500,000 $17,500,000 2022 UFA Bryan Bulaga Chargers 32 $30,000,000 $10,000,000 $19,250,000 $19,250,000 2023 UFA La'el Collins Cowboys 28 $50,000,000 $10,000,000 $35,000,000 $19,966,750 2025 UFA George Fant Jets 29 $27,300,000 $9,200,000 $13,300,000 $8,850,000 2023 UFA Halapoulivaati Vaitai Lions 28 $45,000,000 $9,000,000 $20,000,000 $20,000,000 2025 UFA Rob Havenstein Rams 28 $32,500,000 $8,125,000 $16,226,365 $9,976,365 2023 UFA As you can see, the top 10 paid LT's make more than the all but the top 2 paid RT's. Go down the list even further, and you'll find that the median starting LT gets paid $12M per year. The median starting RT makes $5.5M. It's not even a question. LT's are valued significantly higher than RT's by NFL teams. Who cares what the league decides when it comes to the franchise tag value. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 “LT or RT aside” L M F A O M F A O 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MindOverMatter Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 Most QB's are right handed, therefore the LT is usually protecting the QB's blind side. RT are only responsible for this when the rare lefty QB comes out (Tua, Vick...) There is a massive difference between playing LT and RT, and the price of salaries for the 2 positions speak to that matter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talonmm Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 Can't this fan base just ever be pleased? JD did fine picking Becton. We picked a great player. Yes, winning a super bowl is the ultimate goal, but JD picked a great tackle and now needs to continue to improve the OL and so many other areas. We don't have to have the best player at every spot, we just need to have strong drafts. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 6 hours ago, mrcoops said: I'm very happy with Becton. He was the right pick. One thing I will say - if we had taken Wirfs last year, played him at RT and put Fant on the left, it would be very appealing to stay at 2 and pick Sewell this year. It still is....and put becton at RT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
football guy Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 Becton and Wirfs were in my mind head-and-shoulders above Wills and Thomas. Wirfs absolutely impressive as all hell this year. Becton too. And Wills. And Thomas late in the year. This may be the rare class where all 4 of the "top guys" turn out to be studs 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Engine1 Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 7 hours ago, Irish Jet said: It really, really isn't. We seen elite pass rushers move to the other side all the time. This absolute nonsense that gets regurgitated time after time is just ridiculous, as if somehow the right side is just innately easier to play or that there's lesser opposition. Nah, Its all exactly the same. Lol... I mean, blocking for the GOAT who scans, processes, and throws the ball in 0.015 seconds, and having Sam "Slow football brain" Darnold running around terrified behind you for no reason trying to figure out what's going on in front of him. Same. Exact. Thing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Crusher Posted February 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 9, 2021 7 hours ago, kevinc855 said: LT or RT aside.....do you still pass on Wirfs in hindsight? He looks like a tubby Jamal Adams 1 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanatic Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 7 hours ago, kevinc855 said: LT or RT aside.....do you still pass on Wirfs in hindsight? Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsons Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 7 hours ago, kevinc855 said: LT or RT aside.....do you still pass on Wirfs in hindsight? He had a Great season... but he also played Right tackle for a Right handed QB not the Left where he would consistently face the top pass rushers. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 3 hours ago, Lurker89 said: Considering rushing from the left you are rushing the QBs Blind side (90% of humans are right handed making their blind side their left side) the best pass rusher is put on the QBs Blind side and the most athletic OT on the left side to protect it. The QB is more apt to see a rush getting through on the right side because ....you know .... his eyes are on the front of his head. You know who else's eyes are in the front of his head? Big Bird. Which suggests that he is a predator. How's that for ruining fond childhood memories... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Engine1 Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 2 hours ago, Charlie Brown said: you don't get it... YOU JUST DON'T GET IT!!! Lets face it! If the Jets had drafted Wirfs instead of Becton we would have obviously just WON the SB!!! 2 hours ago, Charlie Brown said: No there is no difference they only pay LTs MILLIONS more than RT cause teams have nothing better to do with their money!!! I like this new, aggressive, possibly intoxicated Charlie Brown!! Ugh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Engine1 Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, nycdan said: You know who else's eyes are in the front of his head? Big Bird. Which suggests that he is a predator. How's that for ruining fond childhood memories... Big Bird is and always has been a predatory raptor. You must have missed the bloody toddler massacre of '78. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 7 hours ago, Irish Jet said: Poor defensive coordinators having no choice but to send their best talent against left tackles. What is it illegal to rush from the right? Nonsense. Absolute f*cking nonsense. ^ this guy is actually trying to argue LT isn't a more difficult position. ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 " Are we still saying Becton was better thAn Wirfs " ? ..was & is ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Willie White Shoes Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 8 hours ago, Irish Jet said: He's what transformed the team. Had Brady been behind Jameis' line they probably don't make the playoffs. There's no complaints with Becton but Wirfs is exceptional. For all those who play down the importance of right tackle look no further than his impact. So are we going to see articles about how Wirfs won the SB like we see with Brady? Let's start comparing the SB records of right tackles and assign wins and losses just as they do with QBs and completely ignore that football is the ultimate team sport and dozens of factors and elements go into winning and losing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Willie White Shoes Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 8 hours ago, kevinc855 said: LT or RT aside.....do you still pass on Wirfs in hindsight? It's a team sport. If you don't see how Wirfs had every advantage over Becton, from playing an easier position to playing with a better coaching staff, to playing with a better QB whose lineman rarely have penalties called on them, to playing on a better offense, to playing with better players on the OL, to having a ridiculously good group of WRs, to playing on a team with one of the best defenses in the NFL.... I could go on and on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 8 minutes ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said: It's a team sport. If you don't see how Wirfs had every advantage over Becton, from playing an easier position to playing with a better coaching staff, to playing with a better QB whose lineman rarely have penalties called on them, to playing on a better offense, to playing with better players on the OL, to having a ridiculously good group of WRs, to playing on a team with one of the best defenses in the NFL.... I could go on and on. Sure, all true. Wirfs will slide over to LT after next season when Smith leaves. Becton looked good at times and struggled at times. Wirfs was stellar all season. If Becton takes himself out of games again next season with bumps and coughs then the Jets are going to have problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSteve Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 6 hours ago, QB1 said: Why are we comparing a right tackle to a left tackle? Kevinc855's A-G-E-N-D-A 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Willie White Shoes Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 12 minutes ago, Matt39 said: Sure, all true. Wirfs will slide over to LT after next season when Smith leaves. Becton looked good at times and struggled at times. Wirfs was stellar all season. If Becton takes himself out of games again next season with bumps and coughs then the Jets are going to have problems. Becton's injury record this season is Gase's fault. Becton entered the Monday night game vs the Pats with a shoulder injury and was inexplicably active but did not start. He came into the game after his replacement was injured. Becton should have been inactive. Instead, he battled a sore shoulder all season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepy Lurker Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 1 hour ago, The Crusher said: He looks like a tubby Jamal Adams The only dogs that he’s concerned with are hotdogs. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kthisguy Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 My question is this... Do you think the Rams in 1997 care they got the second best Tackle in the draft with pick 1? I am not comparing Wirfs Or Becton to either of Pace or Davis, however they both can play in the league. Both rookies played extremely well in totally different circumstances. I personally think they are both RT. In a perfect world Becton would have been a RT this year of Mac would have drafted Brown Jr the easy pick in the 3rd round. (But let’s not go there)Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 35 minutes ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said: Becton's injury record this season is Gase's fault. Becton entered the Monday night game vs the Pats with a shoulder injury and was inexplicably active but did not start. He came into the game after his replacement was injured. Becton should have been inactive. Instead, he battled a sore shoulder all season. You are expected to play LT with a sore shoulder. Ask D-Brick. I watched Wirfs all season I can assure you the team who just won the Super Bowl would not trade the player that missed zero snaps and committed one penalty for a guy who struggled with his conditioning and availability all season. Donovan Smith is actually pretty similar to Becton and Wirfs will be replacing him in 2022. Becton certainly has high potential, but he needs to commit himself and toughen up a bit. Wirfs is already there and will be a perennial all-pro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirlancemehlot Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 8 hours ago, Mike135 said: His QB is super mobile, so it helped him not give up sacks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirlancemehlot Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said: Becton's injury record this season is Gase's fault. Becton entered the Monday night game vs the Pats with a shoulder injury and was inexplicably active but did not start. He came into the game after his replacement was injured. Becton should have been inactive. Instead, he battled a sore shoulder all season. Becton was tapping out on his own. aside from the shoulder injury, he was just out of shape. He said he wanted to play at 350. He was 15 pounds heavier than that at the combine. And every bit 390-400 by the end of the season. Wirfs, OTOH, broke his University's power lifting records and can jump out of pools standing still. This is not Gase's fault. Anyone who lived through the Kris Jenkins era is going to be a bit worried about Becton until he gets his weight under control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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