Popular Post win4ever Posted February 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 9, 2021 Ok, apart from speculating trades, I figured I'd post some videos about the SF offense with a guy that does some All - 22 film breakdowns. There aren't any guarantees that this is the exact offense we will be installing, but it will have a decent amount of influence. This may help give an insight to possible skills we target in free agency/draft. This guy also posts a decent amount of All-22 from college by the way. 1: Screen Gamehttp:// 2: SF offense- Wide Zonehttp:// 3: SF Offense- Wide Zone/Wrinkleshttp:// 4: SF Offense - Boot Gamehttp:// 5. SF Offense - Gap Schemehttp:// 6: SF Offense - Inside Zonehttp:// 7. SF Offense - Y Hide (Scheme Passing)http:// 8: SF Offense - Slip Screen (A bit redundant with the first video)http:// I'd love to hear some thoughts. Also, if possible like some of this guys videos. The All 22 from college is impossible to find so I appreciate him putting it up. Anyway, based on this video, I would love to hear FA/Draft targets. I'll give my thoughts later. 11 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maury77 Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 This is a lot, give me a few days. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy2020 Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 Kyle Shanahan looks like a meth addict 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTJet Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 7 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said: Kyle Shanahan looks like a meth addict Nah... This is what meth does to ya. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_Smith Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 1 hour ago, jeremy2020 said: Kyle Shanahan looks like a meth addict This is the kind of analysis i come here for 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
win4ever Posted February 11, 2021 Author Share Posted February 11, 2021 4 hours ago, maury77 said: This is a lot, give me a few days. It was really interesting to me. I think there might be more, but I thought focusing on the base run, and then how he shows the pass evolving from it was brilliant. I like the similar shells for pass/runs. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 @win4ever This is fantastic. Thanks for posting it. I'm going to have to come back to watch it all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mackman55 Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 Great post, a lot to digest! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 SF sets up the pass with the run 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Werblin Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 4 hours ago, win4ever said: It was really interesting to me. I think there might be more, but I thought focusing on the base run, and then how he shows the pass evolving from it was brilliant. I like the similar shells for pass/runs. I’ve always felt the attempts to confuse D’s with concepts driven by different looks and multiple personnel are misguided. After all, if they did their homework they get s good idea about what’s coming based on formation and personnel. Shannahan and McVay have moved away the different looks concepts running most plays from just a few formations, which I think is smart. I think the next step in the evolution would be to utilize a halfback who is skilled enough to function as a WR and FB who can also play TE. This would permit you to run multiple formations from base personnel. You can go directly from traditional 2 back formations to double TE and 3 WR. And since you have not switched personnel, the O doesn’t have to allow the D a chance to substitute personnel. In the hands of a veteran QB, this would be nearly impossible to defend. Or even if a young QB was under center, he need only get his team lined up quickly so the OC could provide instructions. Of course, the key would be finding the versatile HB and FB. While not the easiest thing, I think it is doable because you would value versatility over pure running back skills, so your draft targets would differ from most teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
win4ever Posted February 11, 2021 Author Share Posted February 11, 2021 10 hours ago, Sonny Werblin said: I’ve always felt the attempts to confuse D’s with concepts driven by different looks and multiple personnel are misguided. After all, if they did their homework they get s good idea about what’s coming based on formation and personnel. Shannahan and McVay have moved away the different looks concepts running most plays from just a few formations, which I think is smart. I think the next step in the evolution would be to utilize a halfback who is skilled enough to function as a WR and FB who can also play TE. This would permit you to run multiple formations from base personnel. You can go directly from traditional 2 back formations to double TE and 3 WR. And since you have not switched personnel, the O doesn’t have to allow the D a chance to substitute personnel. In the hands of a veteran QB, this would be nearly impossible to defend. Or even if a young QB was under center, he need only get his team lined up quickly so the OC could provide instructions. Of course, the key would be finding the versatile HB and FB. While not the easiest thing, I think it is doable because you would value versatility over pure running back skills, so your draft targets would differ from most teams. I think the lack of scheme versatility was the issue with Gase, where his play design itself was fine. The problem was that once the defense adjusted, the scheme wasn't malleable enough to counter-adjust. It's like using the create your own play function on video games. You make it all elaborate, but it has to function within the flow of the offense. The Shanahan system (or at least as depicted in videos) seem to force adjustments from the defense, and then use scheme versatility to defeat it. Therefore, if you have motion pre-snap and a linebacker vacates a spot, the scheme attacks it much like any offense. However, they seem to run similar formations baiting the defense to adjust another player to that spot, thus opening up holes elsewhere. I don't want to use like "3D Chess" but the offense seems more fluid. The downside is that the defense adjusts to the point of exemplifying the weakness of the roster. Belicheck basically dared the Rams to beat them deep with single high safety or 0 cover blitzes, and Goff just wasn't up to the task in the Super Bowl. This is why I think athleticism and down field accuracy is vital in the offense because it adds another wrinkle (RPO) out of the base formations. I think the next evolution of the offense is a QB like Kyler Murray/Russel Wilson in that they can create with their feet, but also hit passes down the field. Unfortunately, those combinations are rare and both of them pick too high to have a chance at guys of that caliber. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 11 hours ago, Sonny Werblin said: Shannahan and McVay have moved away the different looks concepts running most plays from just a few formations, which I think is smart. Those few simple sets that the entire offense is based on also help the players reduce penalties and mistakes on where to line up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 21 hours ago, JTJet said: Nah... This is what meth does to ya. Sheesh. Sooooo, not meth? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTJet Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 16 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: Sheesh. Sooooo, not meth? Jayzus! ...sup girl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 Wow great stuff!! In truth I really think that Sam Darnold would do well in this system. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
win4ever Posted February 12, 2021 Author Share Posted February 12, 2021 58 minutes ago, Charlie Brown said: Wow great stuff!! In truth I really think that Sam Darnold would do well in this system. I think there are a fair amount of QBs that would thrive in this system, which is why I think guys like Mullens have put up good stats. The interesting aspect to me is the TE/WR position because I'm not sure how the Jets will construct their roster in the off-season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 11 minutes ago, win4ever said: I think there are a fair amount of QBs that would thrive in this system, which is why I think guys like Mullens have put up good stats. The interesting aspect to me is the TE/WR position because I'm not sure how the Jets will construct their roster in the off-season. It is simple to me if you think that Darnold can be “adequate” under Lefleur then you trade the number 2 pick to about the 4th or 5th pick and you draft this guy! Pitts!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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