Pointdexter Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 No offense to Tom Brady but Shaq was the biggest difference maker on the field in the super bowl. Lightening fast into the opponent's backfield. We haven't had that kind of backfield disruptor in at least a decade. I can't ever remember having a linebackers that can fly around the field like him. At 28 he's in his prime. He and Thuney would be my 1 and 1a. Honestly, I'm not overwhelmed by the FA WRs and I hope we don't overspend there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KRL Posted February 10, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 10, 2021 I'm concerned about Barrett for a couple of reasons: - His age - The spike in his production, then the drop in his numbers https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/16967/shaquil-barrett I would take a look at Romeo Okwara, he's younger, cheaper and could be on the upswing: https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/2980147/romeo-okwara 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 No way the Bucs are letting him go 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redlichtie Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 58 minutes ago, KRL said: I'm concerned about Barrett for a couple of reasons: - His age - The spike in his production, then the drop in his numbers https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/16967/shaquil-barrett I would take a look at Romeo Okwara, he's younger, cheaper and could be on the upswing: https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/2980147/romeo-okwara Yes to Okwara 100%...younger, almost certainly cheaper...player on the rise and very likely fits into the ‘wide 9’ position that’s likely to be a key part of our defensive formation going forward. Romeo & Quinnen together could actually give us something for opposing QB’s to worry about for the first time in 15 years EDIT: Keep an eye on Tyus Bowser as an alternate to Okwara, hidden in that insane depth they have in Baltimore, another young, cheap and potential high upside option, far more of a punt than Okwara but really liked him coming out of college. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 5 minutes ago, redlichtie said: Yes to Okwara 100%...younger, almost certainly cheaper...player on the rise and very likely fits into the ‘wide 9’ position that’s likely to be a key part of our defensive formation going forward. Romeo & Quinnen together could actually give us something for opposing QB’s to worry about for the first time in 15 years EDIT: Keep an eye on Tyus Bowser as an alternate Good stuff here. I’ll have to find some tape on Bowser. I’m sold on Okwara. Trying to find and develop the diamonds in the rough rather than paying one after development 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AL047 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Tampa Bay will franchise Shaq Barrett, there is no way he's going anywhere. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nycdan Posted February 10, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 10, 2021 TB has to decide between Barrett and Godwin. Not as simple a choice as it might seem. But if they do franchise Barrett, I would happily target Godwin so there's a win there potentially either way. 7 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Pointdexter said: No offense to Tom Brady but Shaq was the biggest difference maker on the field in the super bowl. Lightening fast into the opponent's backfield. We haven't had that kind of backfield disruptor in at least a decade. I can't ever remember having a linebackers that can fly around the field like him. At 28 he's in his prime. He and Thuney would be my 1 and 1a. Honestly, I'm not overwhelmed by the FA WRs and I hope we don't overspend there. They weren't even blocking him. How was his entire season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 2 hours ago, Pointdexter said: No offense to Tom Brady but Shaq was the biggest difference maker on the field in the super bowl. Lightening fast into the opponent's backfield. We haven't had that kind of backfield disruptor in at least a decade. I can't ever remember having a linebackers that can fly around the field like him. At 28 he's in his prime. He and Thuney would be my 1 and 1a. Honestly, I'm not overwhelmed by the FA WRs and I hope we don't overspend there. One game Where KC's OL was decimated Makes the case for OL help more than a single LB like Shaq. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRL Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Okwara's frame is also better suited to a 4-3 DE (6-4 260) than Barrett's (6-2 250) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRL Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 58 minutes ago, redlichtie said: Yes to Okwara 100%...younger, almost certainly cheaper...player on the rise and very likely fits into the ‘wide 9’ position that’s likely to be a key part of our defensive formation going forward. Romeo & Quinnen together could actually give us something for opposing QB’s to worry about for the first time in 15 years EDIT: Keep an eye on Tyus Bowser as an alternate to Okwara, hidden in that insane depth they have in Baltimore, another young, cheap and potential high upside option, far more of a punt than Okwara but really liked him coming out of college. Bowser's frame suggests he would be a LB in our 4-3, how's his speed? https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/3040037/tyus-bowser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 We can target all we want but Tampa's not letting him go anywhere. I doubt Tampa can keep all there FA but I think they'll prioritize Barrett. Maybe we can pry WR Godwin from them. I'd rather target Ngakoue as an edge rusher from Baltimore instead. They are in cap hell and have Judon as a FA also amonst others. Ngakoue is only 25 and had 2 more sacks (8) than Judon who is 3 years older. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sammybighead Posted February 10, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 10, 2021 Joe Thuney should be the #1 priority 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pointdexter Posted February 10, 2021 Author Share Posted February 10, 2021 45 minutes ago, More Cowbell said: They weren't even blocking him. How was his entire season? 30 and a half sacks the last two seasons, with 3 coming in this year's postseason alone. I would say he's far from a one game wonder. Honestly I don't know how much more consistently productive a linebacker can get. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 1 hour ago, nycdan said: TB has to decide between Barrett and Godwin. Not as simple a choice as it might seem. But if they do franchise Barrett, I would happily target Godwin so there's a win there potentially either way. Both of those guys will be back with the Bucs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redlichtie Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 1 hour ago, KRL said: Bowser's frame suggests he would be a LB in our 4-3, how's his speed? https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/3040037/tyus-bowser 4,65 at the combine, was noted as a quick and twitchy athlete coming out, the knock on him was missing the last 5 games his senior year for fighting a teammate...he’d already racked up something like 10 sacks through the first 8 games. Not a close follower of the Ravens but they appear to have dropped him into coverage a lot as he’s picked up a few INTS and PD’s ...finding those gems who’ve been hidden behind A+ plus talent is the key to FA success....I think he could be one of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 2 hours ago, AL047 said: Tampa Bay will franchise Shaq Barrett, there is no way he's going anywhere. Yea, especially considering no one is certain how long Brady will hang in. My guess? As long as he is still winning, so they will do what they have to and keep their key players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Pointdexter said: 30 and a half sacks the last two seasons, with 3 coming in this year's postseason alone. I would say he's far from a one game wonder. Honestly I don't know how much more consistently productive a linebacker can get. After you posted this, I had to see it for myself because I play FF with IDP's and guys with consistent double digit sack numbers are very valuable. They can literally win the week for you. Below are his career stats. I would say that is far being consistently productive Not a one game wonder? Career stats Year Team COMB AST Sack INT YDS 2020 TB 57 14 8.0 0 0 2019 TB 58 13 19.5 1 4 2018 DEN 28 6 3.0 0 0 2017 DEN 37 6 4.0 0 0 2016 DEN 36 13 1.5 0 0 2015 DEN 50 15 5.5 0 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pointdexter Posted February 10, 2021 Author Share Posted February 10, 2021 Um what?? He's had 30+ sacks the last 2 seasons. How on earth is that a one game wonder. Yes, he was an UDFA out of college and it took a while for him to ramp up and earn a starting spot. But for the last two years he's been arguably the best in the NFL at his position. Geesh. Some people will argue anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 17 minutes ago, More Cowbell said: After you posted this, I had to see it for myself because I play FF with IDP's and guys with consistent double digit sack numbers are very valuable. They can literally win the week for you. Below are his career stats. I would say that is far being consistently productive Not a one game wonder? Career stats Year Team COMB AST Sack INT YDS 2020 TB 57 14 8.0 0 0 2019 TB 58 13 19.5 1 4 2018 DEN 28 6 3.0 0 0 2017 DEN 37 6 4.0 0 0 2016 DEN 36 13 1.5 0 0 2015 DEN 50 15 5.5 0 0 Jeez. Barrett was a UDFA who was a part time player at Denver. His pass rush win rates and pressures were consistently good. Tampa Bay got him at a discount and doubled his snaps and his efficiency stayed the same. Good efficiency + higher snap count = better usage stats. Barrett isn’t really a fit here, but he’s damn good and has remained consistent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenbloodblitz Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 I was screaming for this guy when he was a FA out of Denver. He'll cost a billion dollars now.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peekskill68 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 FWIW, the guy the Jet X'ers are targeting is Carl Lawson from the Bengals, with Okwara a close second... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 24 minutes ago, Pointdexter said: Um what?? He's had 30+ sacks the last 2 seasons. How on earth is that a one game wonder. Yes, he was an UDFA out of college and it took a while for him to ramp up and earn a starting spot. But for the last two years he's been arguably the best in the NFL at his position. Geesh. Some people will argue anything. He had 8 sacks this season, 19.5 last season, before that 3, before that 4, and before that 1.5. You are skewing his production by using the one monster season he had and rolling it into this year. Also, 50+ tackles for a LB sucks. Those are DL numbers. You seriously think about 3 tackles a game is good for that position? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 18 minutes ago, kdels62 said: Jeez. Barrett was a UDFA who was a part time player at Denver. His pass rush win rates and pressures were consistently good. Tampa Bay got him at a discount and doubled his snaps and his efficiency stayed the same. Good efficiency + higher snap count = better usage stats. Barrett isn’t really a fit here, but he’s damn good and has remained consistent. What happened from last season and this one? He has a double digit drop in sacks. Also his tackle numbers for a LB are low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 2 hours ago, nycdan said: TB has to decide between Barrett and Godwin. Not as simple a choice as it might seem. But if they do franchise Barrett, I would happily target Godwin so there's a win there potentially either way. ..i'd much rather have godwin ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extmenace Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 4 hours ago, Philc1 said: No way the Bucs are letting him go Unless he gets market setting offers? If someone offers him a 100 mill contract, the Bucs will have to let him walk. This cap situation will be interesting because in a normal off season, he’d be getting that kind of an offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 i'm thinking the jets need to go offense in free agency first. get thuney and robinson and then start looking at the edge guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost420 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 5 hours ago, Pointdexter said: 30 and a half sacks the last two seasons, with 3 coming in this year's postseason alone. I would say he's far from a one game wonder. Honestly I don't know how much more consistently productive a linebacker can get. He has 19 last yr and only 8 this yr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 8 hours ago, Pointdexter said: No offense to Tom Brady but Shaq was the biggest difference maker on the field in the super bowl. Lightening fast into the opponent's backfield. We haven't had that kind of backfield disruptor in at least a decade. I can't ever remember having a linebackers that can fly around the field like him. At 28 he's in his prime. He and Thuney would be my 1 and 1a. Honestly, I'm not overwhelmed by the FA WRs and I hope we don't overspend there. We had one for like 20 minutes in Mosley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 No. He should be a target, just not our #1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Discussed this in another thread. A rebuilding Jets team signing 29 yr old Barrett for $20MM (give or take) per season, with 2-3 years guaranteed, is a 2015-Maccagnan move. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmhertz Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 He can play at a high level throughout the contact and even more importantly mentor our young edge rushing prospects as Miller & Ware did for him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redlichtie Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 5 hours ago, peekskill68 said: FWIW, the guy the Jet X'ers are targeting is Carl Lawson from the Bengals, with Okwara a close second... Interesting....is this just a guess or do you have....you know....sauces!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embrace the Suck Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Absolutely not. You don't go after a FA because he had a good SB (1 tackle 1 sack). Teams that have done that have been burned over and over. He had 7 sacks this season. I wouldn't call him a FA priority. He's also 28. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SR24 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Thuney,Golladay, Robinson should all be higher priority than Barrett. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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