GreekJet Posted February 14, 2021 Author Share Posted February 14, 2021 31 minutes ago, Raideraholic said: Let’s see if Jets get more for Sam Darnold, or the Raiders do for Marcus Mariota. Team that are win now teams -are going to prefer Mariota, to a QBs hasn’t done anything yet in the league. You root for a terrible football team that is going nowhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 12 hours ago, Adoni Beast said: Only 3 that I felt like writing. QB’s don’t have to be athletic freaks to succeed. This has always been the case. I never said otherwise QB don't have to be athletic freaks 2 overall picks do They didn't lose 14 games to draft Drew Brees a Rd early Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 8 hours ago, T0mShane said: Pretty interesting Twitter account here, @shirtlesssuperbowl. They’re all puny slobs. https://mobile.twitter.com/shirtlesssbowl cc: @joewilly12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shockwave Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Raideraholic said: Let’s see if Jets get more for Sam Darnold, or the Raiders do for Marcus Mariota. Team that are win now teams -are going to prefer Mariota, to a QBs hasn’t done anything yet in the league. What are you guys thinking youll get for Marcus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTJet Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 9 hours ago, Beaver said: "There are a number of people in the league who feel it would be a mistake for the Jets to trade Darnold. " History has proven there a number of people in the league who should not be in the league. More often than not, those people are on the Jets, which makes the quote more likely to be a valid viewpoint. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 6 hours ago, Raideraholic said: Let’s see if Jets get more for Sam Darnold, or the Raiders do for Marcus Mariota. Team that are win now teams -are going to prefer Mariota, to a QBs hasn’t done anything yet in the league. Mariota sucks dude 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 4 hours ago, Shockwave said: What are you guys thinking youll get for Marcus? 500 shares of Enron Stock from Jack Easterby 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DetroitRed Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 10 hours ago, Raideraholic said: Let’s see if Jets get more for Sam Darnold, or the Raiders do for Marcus Mariota. Team that are win now teams -are going to prefer Mariota, to a QBs hasn’t done anything yet in the league. We will have to see. One is 23 and the other 27 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 17 hours ago, Shockwave said: Def should be its own topic one day. Lets say Sam is extended this offseason for a few years at Teddy Bridgewater money which is extremely affordable - and he plays well next year. Lets say Jimmy G 2019 numbers. He likely would be worth a-lot more than now. Not happening. Darnold isn't taking that deal and his agent isn't letting him. A Bridgewater deal is for Bridgewater: a guy who'll always have injury concerns and a low ceiling. If Darnold signed an extension this year it'd have to have incentive clauses where he could maker elite money for being an elite QB. It'd also have a floor high enough to make it a terrible deal if he doesn't earn those incentives. The reason a few teams are this interested in his potential is his low risk from a contract perspective: 1 year $5m or 2 years $30m. A Bridgewater contact is too high of a floor for teams to offer and too low of a ceiling for Darnold to accept. It'd never happen. The thing a lot of fans don't accept is GMs don't care about a QB's cap charges if he's the goods. They'd all much rather have a sure thing at $35m than a question mark at $20m. All of them. Keeping his cost way down, while it'd be welcomed, isn't the high priority fans think it is. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 10 hours ago, Raideraholic said: Let’s see if Jets get more for Sam Darnold, or the Raiders do for Marcus Mariota. Team that are win now teams -are going to prefer Mariota, to a QBs hasn’t done anything yet in the league. Good point. Not sure a win now team would really want either one though. If a team is truly a win now team not sure they want the Raiders back up. Marriott has shown his ability to win now as a starter and it wasn’t his thing. A very sweet back up though. Sam? No idea, like trying to sell a nice looking car that the engine has never run right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 10 hours ago, GreekJet said: You root for a terrible football team that is going nowhere. What do we do? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 53 minutes ago, The Crusher said: What do we do? You raise an interesting point here......isn't the first step in solving a problem admitting that you have a problem?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryM Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 This is not personal, but I feel that many Jets fans have no business trying to negotiate trading Darnold. Darnold is worth a mid to late first round draft pick, and I wouldn't accept anything less. He is 23 years old with 3 years of NFL experience behind him. He is big, strong, and can make all the throws. He is a team player, and someone you want in your clubhouse. Teams who want Darnold believe that he can succeed with the right coaching and the right players; something that Sam has not had yet in his career. Fans who want to trade him for a 2 or 2 two's need to have a class on negotiating 101. We are lucky all these Darnold haters have absolutely no input to what JD and Saleh will do. If they think he has the talent to thrive in a new system, with competent coaching, he will start for us next year. If they choose to move on l have no doubt JD will get a first round pick then draft a QB at 2. If he is traded and with some real coaching becomes the player we drafted, l can not wait for the same people on here to bitch because he was traded.Sent from my sp7731e_1h30_native using JetNation.com mobile app 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 On 2/11/2021 at 11:33 PM, Charlie Brown said: That’s a great point because if he wasn’t I don’t think they would be looking at him now. Either that or he's heard the news is drinking heavily and about to be suspended by the league ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 25 minutes ago, GaryM said: We are lucky all these Darnold haters have absolutely no input to what JD and Saleh will do. If they think he has the talent to thrive in a new system, with competent coaching, he will start for us next year. If they choose to move on l have no doubt JD will get a first round pick then draft a QB at 2. If he is traded and with some real coaching becomes the player we drafted, l can not wait for the same people on here to bitch because he was traded. Sent from my sp7731e_1h30_native using JetNation.com mobile app And if they stick with him and Sam continues to be Sam then it opens up another major concern about whether JD and Saleh are good evaluators. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 23 hours ago, BornJetsFan1983 said: Exclusive reenactment of phone calls. Caller: Hey Joe, are you guys. Stupid enough to move on from sam? JETS: NO Mr's Darnold , not one bit ?? Caller: oh ok cool. Yeah that would be stupid to trade my son. Fixed it for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 19 hours ago, Shockwave said: Def should be its own topic one day. Lets say Sam is extended this offseason for a few years at Teddy Bridgewater money which is extremely affordable - and he plays well next year. Lets say Jimmy G 2019 numbers. He likely would be worth a-lot more than now. But have you seen all the movement this offseason at QB. This season is the prime time to trade him as teams get desperate because they've been left standing watching the dance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 12 hours ago, Snell41 said: Punting to next year when the QB’s available in the late 1st/2nd round will undoubtedly be better than any QB in this draft not named Trevor Lawrence has absolutely no repercussions for JD. He doesn’t have to marry Darnold, just ride him out one more season for better options. Drafting sh*tty QB’s is bad. Drafting sh*tty QB’s at 2 overall is a career killer. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app And just who are the QB's who are draft eligible next year that will be better prospects than Fields, Wilson or Lance. People view these guys as inferior talents because of the Lawrence hype. But the truth is if any QB ascends next season's college ranks is not lasting to late 1st early 2nd rd because of the lack of quality there. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shockwave Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said: The thing a lot of fans don't accept is GMs don't care about a QB's cap charges if he's the goods. They'd all much rather have a sure thing at $35m than a question mark at $20m. All of them. Keeping his cost way down, while it'd be welcomed, isn't the high priority fans think it is. If that was a true statement then Dak Prescott would have signed a long term contract last year. Kirk Cousins would also still be in Washington. It's also not about keeping cost down as that was never said in the post you responded to. It's about seeing Sam Darnold long enough in the system to know his production is sustainable long term and not a one year fluke. If the Jets spend this offseason: -Passing on a QB at 2 that is cost controlled. -Investing in the Oline -Investing in Playmakers at WR. -Creating a QB friendly offensive which pads QB stats. All while confining themselves to Darnold reaching FA or being Franchised it will a mirror the situation of Jared Goff except they had 2 years to see it. Sam could have a good year in 2021 and ask for 100m guaranteed in 2022 as the cap will be shooting up next year. At that point the Jets will either be forced to give him that deal or Franchise him and be in a Dak Prescott situation. If given the deal theres absolutely a chance he regresses in 2022 and were literally stuck in the Jared Goff situation the Rams were just in. Just horrible outcomes all around. Outside of the above mentioned Dak and Cousins what YOUNG potential franchise QB's have you seen starting for a team in their walk year without the team having a CLEAR backup option behind them? Tribisky was benched in 2019 and Foles was brought in to start. They were to battle in 2020. The year before Tannehill was brought to take over for Mariotta. Unless theres a backup plan in place - It extremely rare. When it does happen contrary to your above statements GM's do care about the price. Hence Cousins being Franchised twice then leaving and Dak still not being signed and looking at his second Franchise tag. The Jets likely will be talking to Sam about an extension if they want to keep him because the above history is clear it would be foolish not to especially when they are staring at a QB at 2. If they are not willing to agree to a Teddy B/some contract good for both sides then the Jets need to trade Sam and select a QB at 2. A QB at 2 (36m guaranteed) is way less risky than heading down the path of Jared Goff(100m guaranteed), or worse the Franchise Tag then a long term Goff deal after only 2 years of production (35m + 100m guaranteed). To think that a GM and Front office are not mapping out these outcomes and risk would be silly. Sam's contract not being addressed while passing at a QB at 2 would just be irresponsible by our FO. I Don't see it happening. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oatmeal Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 29 minutes ago, Shockwave said: If that was a true statement then Dak Prescott would have signed a long term contract last year. Kirk Cousins would also still be in Washington. It's also not about keeping cost down as that was never said in the post you responded to. It's about seeing Sam Darnold long enough in the system to know his production is sustainable long term and not a one year fluke. If the Jets spend this offseason: -Passing on a QB at 2 that is cost controlled. -Investing in the Oline -Investing in Playmakers at WR. -Creating a QB friendly offensive which pads QB stats. All while confining themselves to Darnold reaching FA or being Franchised it will a mirror the situation of Jared Goff except they had 2 years to see it. Sam could have a good year in 2021 and ask for 100m guaranteed in 2022 as the cap will be shooting up next year. At that point the Jets will either be forced to give him that deal or Franchise him and be in a Dak Prescott situation. If given the deal theres absolutely a chance he regresses in 2022 and were literally stuck in the Jared Goff situation the Rams were just in. Just horrible outcomes all around. Outside of the above mentioned Dak and Cousins what YOUNG potential franchise QB's have you seen starting for a team in their walk year without the team having a CLEAR backup option behind them? Tribisky was benched in 2019 and Foles was brought in to start. They were to battle in 2020. The year before Tannehill was brought to take over for Mariotta. Unless theres a backup plan in place - It extremely rare. When it does happen contrary to your above statements GM's do care about the price. Hence Cousins being Franchised twice then leaving and Dak still not being signed and looking at his second Franchise tag. The Jets likely will be talking to Sam about an extension if they want to keep him because the above history is clear it would be foolish not to especially when they are staring at a QB at 2. If they are not willing to agree to a Teddy B/some contract good for both sides then the Jets need to trade Sam and select a QB at 2. A QB at 2 (36m guaranteed) is way less risky than heading down the path of Jared Goff(100m guaranteed), or worse the Franchise Tag then a long term Goff deal after only 2 years of production (35m + 100m guaranteed). To think that a GM and Front office are not mapping out these outcomes and risk would be silly. Sam's contract not being addressed while passing at a QB at 2 would just be irresponsible by our FO. I Don't see it happening. Great post 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 2 hours ago, GaryM said: We are lucky all these Darnold haters have absolutely no input to what JD and Saleh will do. If they think he has the talent to thrive in a new system, with competent coaching, he will start for us next year. If they choose to move on l have no doubt JD will get a first round pick then draft a QB at 2. If he is traded and with some real coaching becomes the player we drafted, l can not wait for the same people on here to bitch because he was traded. Sent from my sp7731e_1h30_native using JetNation.com mobile app JD and Saleh will not rush on from Darnold because keeping Darnold buys them an extra year. However if they trade Darnold then whomever they bring in here is their QB pick and they will be held accountable..... Tough decisions........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornJetsFan1983 Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 22 hours ago, Ghost420 said: Imagine thinking moving on from a sh*tty qb id a stupid move. Mahomes lookee pretty sh*tty with no line. Imagine not realizing circumstances matter and throwing away a generational talent because you don't understand football. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 8 minutes ago, BornJetsFan1983 said: Mahomes lookee pretty sh*tty with no line. Imagine not realizing circumstances matter and throwing away a generational talent because you don't understand football. Also Mahomes sat for a year before he took over a already made playoff team.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Charlie Brown said: JD and Saleh will not rush on from Darnold because keeping Darnold buys them an extra year. However if they trade Darnold then whomever they bring in here is their QB pick and they will be held accountable..... Tough decisions........ I keep reading this posted here and I whole heartedely disagree. If they stick with Sam and he flounders again it takes away one year from their window and it puts the crosshairs on their backs for 2022. If they trade Sam or pick a QB at 2 in essence it becomes a defacto building year with everyone growing/learning in lockstep for 2022 and beyond. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DetroitRed Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 10 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said: I keep reading this posted here and I whole heartedely disagree. If they stick with Sam and he flounders again it takes away one year from their window and it puts the crosshairs on their backs for 2022. If they trade Sam or pick a QB at 2 in essence it becomes a defacto building year with everyone growing/learning in lockstep for 2022 and beyond. Perhaps they do both. It is not impossible they keep Darnold and draft a qb 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snell41 Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 And just who are the QB's who are draft eligible next year that will be better prospects than Fields, Wilson or Lance. People view these guys as inferior talents because of the Lawrence hype. But the truth is if any QB ascends next season's college ranks is not lasting to late 1st early 2nd rd because of the lack of quality there. I’ll take my chances because Fields and Wilson are probably the worst 1st round prospects since 2013. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcJet Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 If we don't get a good offer, we can keep Sam and draft Fields. Sam starts and gets a reasonable ~$10M. Fields sits a learns and gets gadget-ed like Hurts. If Sam blows, we start Fields and continue the tank to a top ten pick. If Sam lights it up (unlikely), we have inside track to re-sign him or we franchise him. (Fields retains value) If Sam is meh, we let him walk for a comp pick or re-sign him for backup money and we already have a 2nd year QB ready to go the next year. Other factors: Some team offers a first or second now, take it. Watson becomes available, trade Sam or Fields. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 21 hours ago, Shockwave said: Let's say he puts up 4500 yards, 30 TD's and 10 Int in this new QB friendly offense. Why stop there. What if he throws 50 TDs and only 1 INT, but on that INT he forces the fumble, scoops it up, and runs it in for a TD? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBeardedSavage Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 9 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said: I keep reading this posted here and I whole heartedely disagree. If they stick with Sam and he flounders again it takes away one year from their window and it puts the crosshairs on their backs for 2022. If they trade Sam or pick a QB at 2 in essence it becomes a defacto building year with everyone growing/learning in lockstep for 2022 and beyond. I don't think either choice 'buys them a year grace period'. With five years left together under contract, JD & Saleh can afford to make strictly football decisions instead of self preservation decisions. The Darnold question comes down to whether or not they believe he can be redeemed. I'd be surprised if we find out their answer ahead of draft day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 1 hour ago, BornJetsFan1983 said: Mahomes lookee pretty sh*tty with no line. Imagine not realizing circumstances matter and throwing away a generational talent because you don't understand football. Generational talent... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPitch Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 On 2/13/2021 at 1:55 PM, bitonti said: Essentially we are saying the same thing We won't know if wilson is worth 2 until he goes 2. Free market in action Remember s few months ago when u said there will only be like 2 or 3 qbs taken in round 1 and i said there will be 4 taken in the first 12 picks and you got mad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 43 minutes ago, dcJet said: If we don't get a good offer, we can keep Sam and draft Fields. That’s what Mrs. P’s crystal is predicting. @Paradis 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 3 hours ago, Shockwave said: If that was a true statement then Dak Prescott would have signed a long term contract last year. Kirk Cousins would also still be in Washington. It's also not about keeping cost down as that was never said in the post you responded to. It's about seeing Sam Darnold long enough in the system to know his production is sustainable long term and not a one year fluke. If the Jets spend this offseason: -Passing on a QB at 2 that is cost controlled. -Investing in the Oline -Investing in Playmakers at WR. -Creating a QB friendly offensive which pads QB stats. All while confining themselves to Darnold reaching FA or being Franchised it will a mirror the situation of Jared Goff except they had 2 years to see it. Sam could have a good year in 2021 and ask for 100m guaranteed in 2022 as the cap will be shooting up next year. At that point the Jets will either be forced to give him that deal or Franchise him and be in a Dak Prescott situation. If given the deal theres absolutely a chance he regresses in 2022 and were literally stuck in the Jared Goff situation the Rams were just in. Just horrible outcomes all around. Outside of the above mentioned Dak and Cousins what YOUNG potential franchise QB's have you seen starting for a team in their walk year without the team having a CLEAR backup option behind them? Tribisky was benched in 2019 and Foles was brought in to start. They were to battle in 2020. The year before Tannehill was brought to take over for Mariotta. Unless theres a backup plan in place - It extremely rare. When it does happen contrary to your above statements GM's do care about the price. Hence Cousins being Franchised twice then leaving and Dak still not being signed and looking at his second Franchise tag. The Jets likely will be talking to Sam about an extension if they want to keep him because the above history is clear it would be foolish not to especially when they are staring at a QB at 2. If they are not willing to agree to a Teddy B/some contract good for both sides then the Jets need to trade Sam and select a QB at 2. A QB at 2 (36m guaranteed) is way less risky than heading down the path of Jared Goff(100m guaranteed), or worse the Franchise Tag then a long term Goff deal after only 2 years of production (35m + 100m guaranteed). To think that a GM and Front office are not mapping out these outcomes and risk would be silly. Sam's contract not being addressed while passing at a QB at 2 would just be irresponsible by our FO. I Don't see it happening. Nah, Dallas was already in the $35MM range. The point is they didn't scoff at the $30MM range for him like 98% of the people here did when Prescott first demanded to be in that range, and then increased it to $35MM. Beyond that they had no incentive to cave to a Watson-level contract when he wasn't putting up Watson-level performance on the field. As far as the idea of a Darnold extension with the same/similar terms given to Bridgewater? No way. There is a 0.0% chance of Darnold agreeing to extension capped at $20MM like Bridgewater. Zero point zero percent. It could not, would not, can not, will not happen. It's an unrealistic fan-fantasy to expect a recent #3 pick, who's presently got at least 3 teams calling the Jets with at least day 2 (if not 1st round) interest in trading for him, who's only turning 24 in June, to limit himself to the same ceiling contract as a damaged-goods never-really-was with a widely accepted low ceiling like Bridgewater. There is no way Darnold is signing any extension that has no potential escalator should he perform as we've all wanted him to. Let alone when it'd be the worst kept secret that the Jets will be upgrading their receiving corps, their RB, and their OL, and have just upgraded their coaching staff and are installing a more QB-friendly scheme. You're suggesting Darnold and his agent and his family (and anyone else advising him) all have a combined IQ of Darnold's completion percentage. The only other possible incentive he'd have to sign something like that is that he & his advisors all believe he sucks and will always suck, and are therefore eager to have him take any money he can get before he's outed under better conditions. And if there is an escalator in there that'd allow him to reach elite money for elite play, then the Jets' FO would have to have an even lower collective IQ to offer a contract that guarantees him two more years at $20MM/year if he sucks, and $35-40MM/year if he's putting up top 5-ish numbers. That's no-upside, mega-downside for the Jets. So again, a Bridgewater-like extension (3 years $60MM with 2 yrs $40MM fully guaranteed) is a wholly unrealistic fantasy that could not possibly happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Blast Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 1 hour ago, DetroitRed said: Perhaps they do both. It is not impossible they keep Darnold and draft a qb That's it! Instead of fretting over whether to trade Sam or not, keep him. Choose a QB at #2 and he can play behind Sam this season. Next year, we can trade away one of them. Kick the can down the road until we can make a more educated decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snell41 Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 That's it! Instead of fretting over whether to trade Sam or not, keep him. Choose a QB at #2 and he can play behind Sam this season. Next year, we can trade away one of them. Kick the can down the road until we can make a more educated decision.You can literally do the same thing without wasting the #2 overall pick on a QB that isn’t even worth a first round picks. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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