Bert Breer’s update on Sam Darnold

[Biggs]

11 minutes ago, Pac said:

Or..  maybe you don't trade the QB many quality organizations think can be good. and instead make him good yourselves.

 

Or maybe it's a double secret plot to fool the Jets to keep him or trade him...

[Beerfish]

19 minutes ago, Jetsbb said:

PFF has Zach Wilson and Justin Fields as QB1s any other year

https://www.pff.com/news/draft-how-good-are-the-2021-nfl-draft-quarterbacks-why-this-class-is-one-of-the-most-talented-ever

Both have flaws.

Next year there will also be three guys who are worthy of #1 overall.

[FidelioJet]

8 minutes ago, Pac said:

No he's not.

Keep it up and you will be though.

I'm sorry, did you just threaten me? I'm not upset just honestly curious.  

If so, Was is a physical one? Or just something like you're remove me from this site?

 

[Pac]

Just now, FidelioJet said:

I'm sorry, did you just threaten me? I'm not upset just honestly curious.  

If so, Was is a physical one? Or just something like you're remove me from this site?

 

Yes.. I'm going to punch you in the pixel.

C'mon dude clearly joking.

[T0mShane]

1 hour ago, HawkeyeJet said:

Breer is connected.  None of them bat 1.000, but Breer is one of the top 3-4 I legit pay attention to when he says something.  He's annoying as **** so he's hard to stomach (in my opinion) but his info is solid.

If you read the tea leaves, I think it's becoming obvious that the Jets know Darnold is gone, they just don't know which QB scenario will play out, Watson or QB at 2(and which one at 2)

Pretty soon dudes(not saying the dudes here) that aren't really connected will start connecting those tea leaves and reporting inside info that Darnold is gone.

I’m not disparaging Breer’s work overall, but he makes this assertion: “I think the Jets, for one, are more likely than not to stay put,” and doesn’t even attempt to back it up or explain how he came to that conclusion. It’s his opinion shoehorned into the supposed analysis of a situation he largely invented.. He makes the claim, then tries to reverse engineer his conclusion based on that opinion. It’s blogger sh*t. Throw this piece onto the garbage pile with Jeremy Fowler’s hit where he says Deshaun Watson doesn’t want to be a Jet, only to have to later tweet out that, actually, he doesn’t know if Watson wants to be a Jet or not. Most of these guys are scuffling because they don’t have contact with team sources, and the agents they rely on to feed them info are stuck in limbo until the cap gets sorted out. 

[Augustiniak]

Just now, T0mShane said:

I’m not disparaging Breer’s work overall, but he makes this assertion: “That doesn’t mean either will (I think the Jets, for one, are more likely than not to stay put),” and doesn’t even attempt to back it up or explain how he came to that conclusion. It’s his opinion shoehorned into the supposed analysis of the Jets situation. He makes the claim, then tried to reverse engineer his conclusion based on that opinion. It’s blogger sh*t. Throw this piece onto the garbage pile with Jeremy Fowler’s hit where he says Deshaun Watson doesn’t want to be a Jet, only to have to later tweet out that, actually, he doesn’t know if Watson wants to be a Jet or not. Most of these guys are scuffling because they don’t have contact with team sources, and the agents they rely on to feed them info are stuck in limbo until the cap gets sorted out. 

because nobody knows anything, this is all that we have to chew on.

[56mehl56]

27 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Both have flaws.

Next year there will also be three guys who are worthy of #1 overall.

Named ? 

The guys I see  projected as potential top picks for 2022 are underwhelming:

Kedon Slovis, Jayden Daniels, Sam Howell , Bo Nix, Spencer Rattler 

[BettyBoop]

2 hours ago, Jetsbb said:

https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/02/15/mmqb-todd-inside-bowles-game-plan-for-mahomes-texans-mess-trevor-lawrence-pro-day

My guess is that Sam Darnold’s name will continue to come up. We told you last week four teams called the Jets, in the aftermath of the Stafford trade, to inquire on Sam Darnold’s availability. More have called since, I’m told, and the answer those teams got was the same that the ones calling before got—Check back with us soon. Right now, the Jets coaching staff is working through its tape evaluation of the draft-eligible quarterbacks, which is a huge piece to all of his. The job, for the Jets right now, is to compare and contrast what it has in Darnold (at 23, with a year plus an option year left on his contract) to what Zach Wilson, Justin Fields, or Trey Lance (coming on new/affordable rookie deals) could be for them. There are a lot of teams that would be obvious potential landing spots. Indianapolis, Pittsburgh, Chicago and San Francisco make sense, pending what happens with Wentz, and the scarcity of available names (and I mean actually available, not just potentially available) right now could drive Darnold’s value up. Either way, it’s a good spot for Jets GM Joe Douglas and new coach Robert Saleh to be in.

6) I think the Jets and Dolphins are in position to deal their Top 3 picks. That doesn’t mean either will (I think the Jets, for one, are more likely than not to stay put). It does mean that there will be a market for both the second and third picks. Teams will emerge from the Wentz situation with a quarterback. Others are quietly looking for an upgrade over who they already have, or for an heir to put behind an aging starter. I think because of all that, teams will look at 2 and 3 as potential places to get those things, and with four guys that I believe are seen as worthy of going in the Top 10, whoever gets there will have options. Would teams have to go that high to get them? Well, if you’re paying attention …

Here’s the summary:

• The Jets may trade Darnold.
• The Jets may keep Darnold.
• The Jets may take a QB at #2.
• The Jets may trade the #2 pick.

[section314]

1 minute ago, BettyBoop said:

Here’s the summary:

• The Jets may trade Darnold.
• The Jets may keep Darnold.
• The Jets may take a QB at #2.
• The Jets may trade the #2 pick.

It is hysterical to read this stuff.

[genot]

34 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Both have flaws.

Next year there will also be three guys who are worthy of #1 overall.

Thank You. There's such a rush here to get a QB, we all lose sight of the big picture. 

[The Crusher]

32 minutes ago, Pac said:

Yes.. I'm going to punch you in the pixel.

C'mon dude clearly joking.

Keep it up and I will give you a few hours off to think about it. 

[Beerfish]

14 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said:

Named ? 

The guys I see  projected as potential top picks for 2022 are underwhelming:

Kedon Slovis, Jayden Daniels, Sam Howell , Bo Nix, Spencer Rattler 

Zac Wilson was projected to be a top two pick last year at this time....oh wait.

Every year people talk about how terrible the next years going to be and every year guys are elevated.

Guys like Herbert and Josh Allen were lumped in with the type of players you just listed a full year before they were drafted.

[T0mShane]

Just now, The Crusher said:

Keep it up and I will give you a few hours off to think about it. 

Can you just punch @Pac instead?

[Pac]

2 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

Keep it up and I will give you a few hours off to think about it. 

I'm sorry did you just threaten me?

[long time suffering Jets f]

58 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

I'm still troubled by both Wilson and Fields being a sure fire #2 overall franchise QB.

My #1  preference is still to trade down.  Whether they trade darnold or not.

I really don’t get this fascination of trading down. We have plenty of draft capital as it is. As much as I want the Jets to take a QB  with the 2nd pick, if they don’t value taking a QB at that spot fine. We would have the pick of the litter for game changing players. Devonta Smith and Penei Sewell comes to mind.

 

[Jetsfan80]

1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

Can you just punch @Pac instead?

Crusher only punches people if food is involved.  He's not punching Pac over some Red Lobster.  

[JustInFudge]

52 minutes ago, Pac said:

No he's not.

Keep it up and you will be though.

 

39 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

I'm sorry, did you just threaten me? I'm not upset just honestly curious.  

If so, Was is a physical one? Or just something like you're remove me from this site?

 

 

 

[The Crusher]

5 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Can you just punch @Pac instead?

No, but I'm planning on body slamming him on his good shoulder when we meet.

[slimjasi]

My sense is that, as we approach the draft, it will become more and more obvious to the Jets that moving on from Sam makes the most sense for all parties involved. 

[section314]

5 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Zac Wilson was projected to be a top two pick last year at this time....oh wait.

Every year people talk about how terrible the next years going to be and every year guys are elevated.

Guys like Herbert and Josh Allen were lumped in with the type of players you just listed a full year before they were drafted.

Before the 2019 season started, 70% of college football fans never heard of Joe Burrow. And that's probably a low number.

[The Crusher]

4 minutes ago, Pac said:

I'm sorry did you just threaten me?

 

[Creepy Lurker]

6 minutes ago, Pac said:

I'm sorry did you just threaten me?

Leave his pixels alone man!

[derp]

4 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Zac Wilson was projected to be a top two pick last year at this time....oh wait.

Every year people talk about how terrible the next years going to be and every year guys are elevated.

Guys like Herbert and Josh Allen were lumped in with the type of players you just listed a full year before they were drafted.

I think there’s some truth and some falsehood to that. Everyone loved the 2018 class for years. Lawrence, Fields, and Lance were very highly regarded coming into  the season.

There almost always some movement - not a lot of guys go through the whole process as the top guy like Lawrence has. Winston and Luck are the two who come to mind. Last year was tank for Tua and then Burrow comes out of nowhere to be the top pick and Herbert has the best rookie season. Year before Kyler Murray really flew to the top of boards.

Next year looks like a cluster. More like 2019 did heading in than any of the other drafts in the last five, six years. Usually there’s at least a somebody people are excited about. Next year is a mess.

[Jetsfan80]

3 minutes ago, section314 said:

Before the 2019 season started, 70% of college football fans never heard of Joe Burrow. And that's probably a low number.

I mean, sure.  But even if another Joe Burrow comes along next year, its unlikely the Jets will be in position to draft him.  Do you see the Jets picking in the top 2 in 2022?  With a new coaching staff and what should be an influx of talent coming to the roster this offseason?

[section314]

Just now, Jetsfan80 said:

I mean, sure.  But even if another Joe Burrow comes along in 2021, its unlikely the Jets will be in position to draft him.  Do you see the Jets picking in the top 2 in 2022?  With a new coaching staff and what should be an influx of talent coming to the roster this offseason?

Not at all, was just supporting @Beerfishpoint that every year guys are noticed by the scouts that most people never even considered .

[56mehl56]

10 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Zac Wilson was projected to be a top two pick last year at this time....oh wait.

Every year people talk about how terrible the next years going to be and every year guys are elevated.

Guys like Herbert and Josh Allen were lumped in with the type of players you just listed a full year before they were drafted.

I can agree with Wilson. But none have been talked about for years at least like Lawrence and Fields . 

And to further my point , if any of the QB's takes a major step forward this upcoming college season the Jets would have to part with considerable assets to move up and draft them in 2022. They have the opportunity right now to get a potential FQB at #2 w/o giving up any additional assets and to have that QB on a rookie salary for 4-5 years.  Unless they get Watson, not taking a QB at 2 is a major blunder. 

[Jetsfan80]

1 minute ago, section314 said:

Not at all, was just supporting @Beerfishpoint that every year guys are noticed by the scouts that most people never even considered .

For sure, I can agree to that.  But this assumption that the Jets can afford to kick the can down the road at QB and then just pluck a QB off the QB tree is an extremely flawed take.

Just because there's typically a "riser" at QB every year doesn't mean we can assume the Jets will be in position to get him.

[T0mShane]

3 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

For sure, I can agree to that.  But this assumption that the Jets can afford to kick the can down the road at QB and then just pluck a QB off the QB tree is an extremely flawed take.

Just because there's typically a "riser" at QB every year doesn't mean we can assume the Jets will be in position to get him.

The best case scenario is that you get to be the 2021 Colts where you have a really nice team built up and you’re left deciding between burning draft capital on Carson Wentz or Sam Darnold.

[Jetsfan80]

3 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

The best case scenario is that you get to be the 2021 Colts where you have a really nice team built up and you’re left deciding between burning draft capital on Carson Wentz or Sam Darnold.

Not to mention paying Jacoby Brissett $28M.

[T0mShane]

7 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Not to mention paying Jacoby Brissett $28M.

Just draft Penei Sewell and hope for the best. Ohhhhhhh yeahhhhhh

[Joe W. Namath]

Out with the McCagnan, in with the Douglas.

Sam is toast here.

[The Gooch]

Sound's more and more likely that we are drafting Zack Wilson at #2!!!

[Mogglez]

2 hours ago, ToonforPrez said:

I'm not really in tune with Breer is he or does he have the pulse of what is going on within the league? Or is he just another throw sh*t at the wall and see what sticks? or do we just stick with @Mogglez & @football guy haha.

Personally, I believe that if the Jets can get a mid 1st to mid 2nd for Sam, he’s gone.  I can’t speak for FG, but I’ve always said that I pretty much have it 55/45 that Sam is back and you could catch me reversing those odds in favor of drafting a rookie at 2OA on any given day, especially after they start diving into the tape of Wilson and Fields in particular, along with getting to see them up close and get them on a whiteboard.  I like them both quite a bit.

Breer is pretty connected too.  I trust him.

[section314]

Just now, Jetsfan80 said:

For sure, I can agree to that.  But this assumption that the Jets can afford to kick the can down the road at QB and then just pluck a QB off the QB tree is an extremely flawed take.  

Totally agree. If we take Watson out of the picture(just playing the odds here, not a preference by any means) the decision is simple. They have to decide if any of these guys that they can get at #2 is a substantial upgrade over Sam. It has to be clear cut. If yes, take him. If no, possibilities are endless. The other factor, and I know most people will think this is nuts, is what, if any, part does Morgan play in all this? I just have a sneaking suspicion that he is a bigger part of the plan going forward than is being divulged. But that's a topic for another day.

[genot]

4 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

I believe that if the Jets can get a mid first to mid 2nd for Sam, he’s gone.  I can’t speak for FG, but I’ve always said that I pretty much have it 55/45 that Sam is back and you could catch me reversing those odds in favor of drafting a rookie at 2OA on any given day, especially after they start diving into the tape of Wilson and Fields in particular.  I like them both quite a bit.

Breer is pretty connected too.  I trust him.

Your assuming that Breer is being fed correct information. It's in the Jet's best interest to let rhe league know that drafting a QB, at #2 is where they're going.