At least one NFL team has Zach Wilson ranked as the best QB in the draft. Update: Multiple teams not only one!

[sec101row23]

31 minutes ago, JiF said:

Every year, fans/wannabe draftniks cling to something so utterly stupid, it becomes mindless talking points that just get repeated over and over and over again.  In 16 it was level of competition, in 17 it was "MPH" lmfao, in 18 it was "NFL windows", in 19 it was under 6' feet, in 20 it was "system" QB cant translate and blah blah blah blah....

this year, with "processor" by far takes the cake.  It just repeated over and over and over again without any actual reality to the context.  The idea that Zach Wilson playing vs. cones in a clean jersey Flag Football game is some type of high level "processor" is moronic.  And then idea the Justin Fields is a slow processors playing 100x better competition and dropping a 6 bomb vs. Clemson is a slow "processor" is next level mental gymnastics stupidity.  Straight up.  

Agreed, it’s become nauseating.  I posted what people were saying last year about Justin Herbert over in the thread in the draft forum yesterday, it’s eerily similar to the Fields stuff.   People want to see what they want to see and not see what they don’t want to see sometimes.  

[T0mShane]

4 minutes ago, bitonti said:

When people say processor it's a dog whistle for all of the stereotypes about quarterbacks of a certain skin tone 

There are a lot of terms used for what you’re getting at, but “slow processor” isn’t one of them. Sam Darnold is a slow processor, for example.

[Scoop24]

I think theres a few teams that feel this way. But i don't think one of those teams are jags so this this really doesn’t  matter. 

[JustInFudge]

10 minutes ago, bitonti said:

When people say processor it's a dog whistle for all of the stereotypes about quarterbacks of a certain skin tone 

Despite being accepted into Harvard and Yale.

[section314]

9 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

There are a lot of terms used for what you’re getting at, but “slow processor” isn’t one of them. Sam Darnold is a slow processor, for example.

However, it is proudly a characteristic for government work.?

[JustInFudge]

8 minutes ago, sec101row23 said:

Agreed, it’s become nauseating.  I posted what people were saying last year about Justin Herbert over in the thread in the draft forum yesterday, it’s eerily similar to the Fields stuff.   People want to see what they want to see and not see what they don’t want to see sometimes.  

 

5 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

There are a lot of terms used for what you’re getting at, but “slow processor” isn’t one of them. Sam Darnold is a slow processor, for example.

Nah, I agree with Bit.  That wasnt the knock on him coming out, people were claiming Andrew Luck level IQ.   He was actually called a "sudden processor" which they credited because of his escapeability and because he could overcome his wind up because his anticipation ie; his processing was so next level. 

 

[JustInFudge]

15 minutes ago, sec101row23 said:

Agreed, it’s become nauseating.  I posted what people were saying last year about Justin Herbert over in the thread in the draft forum yesterday, it’s eerily similar to the Fields stuff.   People want to see what they want to see and not see what they don’t want to see sometimes.  

Yep, I saw that, same thread I posted numerous plays of Fields doing exactly what everyone here says he cant do...and it will largely go ignored and that's fine, I'm used to it but this "processor" thingy, cracks me up.  

[bitonti]

13 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

There are a lot of terms used for what you’re getting at, but “slow processor” isn’t one of them. Sam Darnold is a slow processor, for example.

When darnold was at usc, scouts talked about his accuracy like he was Johnny Unitas 

[T0mShane]

5 minutes ago, bitonti said:

When darnold was at usc, scouts talked about his accuracy like he was Johnny Unitas 

Accuracy isn’t processing information, however

[T0mShane]

9 minutes ago, JiF said:

 

Nah, I agree with Bit.  That wasnt the knock on him coming out, people were claiming Andrew Luck level IQ.   He was actually called a "sudden processor" which they credited because of his escapeability and because he could overcome his wind up because his anticipation ie; his processing was so next level. 

 

I guess I should specify that it’s not a thing I ascribe based on race.

[T0mShane]

24 minutes ago, sec101row23 said:

Agreed, it’s become nauseating.  I posted what people were saying last year about Justin Herbert over in the thread in the draft forum yesterday, it’s eerily similar to the Fields stuff.   People want to see what they want to see and not see what they don’t want to see sometimes.  

I remember the knock on Herbert was that he came off as flighty and weird and was “too smart for his own good” because he wanted to be a surgeon after football.

[Augustiniak]

12 minutes ago, JiF said:

 

Nah, I agree with Bit.  That wasnt the knock on him coming out, people were claiming Andrew Luck level IQ.   He was actually called a "sudden processor" which they credited because of his escapeability and because he could overcome his wind up because his anticipation ie; his processing was so next level. 

 

If so these concepts were conflated and it skewed darnold’s eval.  Improvising like manziel doesn’t mean you can see the field well in the first 3 seconds you’re in the pocket.  

[Be_a_Jet]

I like Wilson better but I don’t have to bash on Fields to make Wilson look good. 
 

Fields has all the tools to be successful- it comes down to who is the best fit. I just think Wilson is better fit for this offense but if I’m the Titans or the Bills or the Steelers (not that they need QBs) but if they did - they’re run game and playing style is setup for Fields. 
 

If JD goes Fields over Wilson I won’t be mad, I imagine they thought through what the offense would be like to make him successful. I would only be mad if they draft him and coach him to be something he’s not. 

[sec101row23]

9 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I remember the knock on Herbert was that he came off as flighty and weird and was “too smart for his own good” because he wanted to be a surgeon after football.

That was one of them, but people were also saying he’s a “one read” QB, doesn’t get through “progressions” etc, etc.   

[Jetsfan80]

1 hour ago, JiF said:

I feel like you need to be an actuary to understand that chart and I couldnt pass prealgebra.  So????

The farther to the right, the better the QB's surrounding talent was.  The higher up on the chart, the more efficiently the QB played.  

[derp]

1 hour ago, Jet Nut said:

Lamar played in 16 games as a rookie started 7 

 

I stand firmly corrected on that.

He did sit some though and very much broke out in his second year.

[bitonti]

17 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

The farther to the right, the better the QB's surrounding talent was.  The higher up on the chart, the more efficiently the QB played.  

This is a perfect explanation for a chart that also doesn't compensate for how bad byu opponents are 

[nycdan]

1 hour ago, JiF said:

Every year, fans/wannabe draftniks cling to something so utterly stupid, it becomes mindless talking points that just get repeated over and over and over again.  In 16 it was level of competition, in 17 it was "MPH" lmfao, in 18 it was "NFL windows", in 19 it was under 6' feet, in 20 it was "system" QB cant translate and blah blah blah blah....

this year, with "processor" by far takes the cake.  It just repeated over and over and over again without any actual reality to the context.  The idea that Zach Wilson playing vs. cones in a clean jersey Flag Football game is some type of high level "processor" is moronic.  And then idea the Justin Fields is a slow processors playing 100x better competition and dropping a 6 bomb vs. Clemson is a slow "processor" is next level mental gymnastics stupidity.  Straight up.  

Welcome to the echo chamber.

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[Charlie Brown]

I want Trey Lance......

Again.......

Trade down a few spots and draft Trey Lance and let him sit!!!!! 

 

[Ian Fleming]

This time of the football year is the “devil’s playground” as critics of certain philosophies claim. Logical leaps, biases, over analysis and emotions are used to fill in the lack of information. 
 

[bitonti]

20 minutes ago, nycdan said:

Welcome to the echo chamber.

 

A few years ago I was vehemently against Josh Rosen. I did not care who they took as long as it was not Rosen. The amount of garbage I took from the Rosen fans was enough to fill a freshman dorm kiddie pool. 

[Matt39]

1 hour ago, bitonti said:

When darnold was at usc, scouts talked about his accuracy like he was Johnny Unitas 

Darnold at USC got overhyped due to the northeast media being captivated by the Rose Bowl. 

[bitonti]

1 minute ago, Matt39 said:

Darnold at USC got overhyped due to the northeast media being captivated by the Rose Bowl. 

There was also a lot of talk about how his grandfather was the Marlboro man 

 

Fun fact Wilson's dad also played in college. He had 7 knee surgeries 

[Matt39]

Just now, bitonti said:

There was also a lot of talk about how his grandfather was the Marlboro man 

 

Sure. But even then he didn’t go 1 overall. There were plenty of knocks on Darnold as time went on and it got closer to draft time. 

[section314]

4 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Darnold at USC got overhyped due to the northeast media being captivated by the Rose Bowl. 

It's beyond ironic that the same game, versus the same opponent, did the same thing for Sanchez. And the same team fell for it twice.

[Matt39]

As far as Wilson/Fields go I do not love either but the Jets do need to take a QB. If either stinks it up year one and the Jets are picking in the top 5 then you go QB again. The Jets can’t be afraid of that. If Fields can’t get past his first read or if Wilson can’t take a hit then you go back to the draft immediately. 

Mac Jones probably deserves more of a look too.

[bitonti]

11 minutes ago, section314 said:

It's beyond ironic that the same game, versus the same opponent, did the same thing for Sanchez. And the same team fell for it twice.

Alanis Morissette wrote a whole song about it 

[Patriot Killa]

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[NYJ37/12]

1 hour ago, Charlie Brown said:

I want Trey Lance......

Again.......

Trade down a few spots and draft Trey Lance and let him sit!!!!! 

 

I like him as well but most of his highlights are runs. I would like to see more booted 8 routes and other out routes to the far hash to really evaluate him.

[jetswinbaby!]

"Zach Wilson is the Best" articles = Best news for the Jets...

 

[JustInFudge]

2 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

The farther to the right, the better the QB's surrounding talent was.  The higher up on the chart, the more efficiently the QB played.  

Me when you explain it:

Me once I revisit the chart

[Biggs]

2 hours ago, bitonti said:

There was also a lot of talk about how his grandfather was the Marlboro man 

 

Fun fact Wilson's dad also played in college. He had 7 knee surgeries 

Fun fact.  The Marlboro man died of smoking related lung cancer.  Sam Darnold's dream of being an elite NFL QB died by playing QB in the NFL.  Coincidence?

[Jetsfan80]

9 minutes ago, JiF said:

Me when you explain it:

Me once I revisit the chart

 

Does the University of Florida even have a math department?

C'mon dude.  UNCW is a beach school and even I get this with ease.  lol.

[T0mShane]

Something to consider as you go to the mattresses to defend the honor of your deeply flawed project QBs in this here draft: 

 

[BroadwayRay]

2 hours ago, Charlie Brown said:

I want Trey Lance......

Again.......

Trade down a few spots and draft Trey Lance and let him sit!!!!! 

 

If you move down past the #4 spot, you risk losing out on all the top four QBs by doing this.