Popular Post Paradis Posted February 18, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2021 8 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: What does the witch say. The witch said he would be on Jets this season. But in hindsight that only means he’d be on the team at the start of the league year. Which is a lock unless we cut him. Witch also said Justin Fields would be a NYJ 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Paradis said: The witch said he would be on Jets this season. But in hindsight that only means he’d be on the team at the start of the league year. Which is a lock unless we cut him. Witch also said Justin Fields would be a NYJ 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undertow Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 5 minutes ago, dcJet said: Strawman. Everyone, including me who said we weren't getting a third for Sammy, would take a 2nd immediately for him. Sam was worth a 2nd possibly late 1st three months ago........Sam is worth a 2nd possibly late 1st now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 10 minutes ago, Rangers9 said: As for how does this affect us. It gives the QB-deficient Eagles more draft ammo to move up from 6 to 2! 1. QB, JAX 2. QB, PHI *trade with NYJ* 3. QB, CAR *trade with MIA* 4. OT/WR/CB, ATL (first crack at the draft best non-QB draftee) 5. OT/WR/TE, CIN 6. Do we take QB4 and trade Sam? Trey Lance, sit him behind a vet for a year? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtina Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 First and second 2016 picks traded away. Draft is a total crap shoot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbia Jet Fan Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 I'm pretty confident that the Darnold market will look something like: 2021 2nd round pick 2022 conditional pick based on Darnold resigning that could range from a 2 through a 4 I'd be good with that. Maybe its a third rounder this year and the conditional is next year that could be a 1 if they make the playoffs and he resigns or something. I don't think we're getting a 1 but if a team has to give one up for making the playoffs and signing Darnold long term it probably makes sense for them. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 5 minutes ago, Dcat said: It wouldn't surprise me if both Wentz and Darnold were in play here. The more desperate team (take a glance at Wentz's contract) was willing to take the meager 2 rupees to unload their 1st round QB bust. Agreed. Sam played maybe his worst game as a pro last year vs the Colts. Wonder if that had any impact? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcJet Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 I love the conditional part. It's kinda like an NBA lottery-protected deal. If sh*t goes bad in Indy like it did in Houston, say 4-7 after 11 games, Indy can sit Wentz and protect a possible top ten pick. If Houston had made this deal with Tunsil, they'd still have the 3rd overall. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 39 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Let’s say Darnold goes to San Fran, starts, and goes 3,200 yards, 25 TDs, 12 INTs and the Niners hit the playoffs, do they turn around and try to tell him that he’s only worth $18 mil per? I think if a team thinks Darnold is worth a first, they’ll also have to think he’ll be worth signing next offseason I do think that's where we can see the conditional. Something similar to Wentz like ... 3rd this year and a conditional 2nd - If he's on the roster in the 2022 it goes to a 1st. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DetroitRed Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 I’m sure the Jets could have had accepted a similar offer already. He is not on a huge contract. Most likely they are still evaluating 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Had Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 12 minutes ago, KRL said: Wentz trade doesn't definitely mean Darnold's going. If anything now there are at least three teams in the top 10 who will be looking for QB's: #4 ATL #6 PHI #8 CAR That would make for a very interesting bidding war I would think the only way any of those want to trade up is if Darnold Is traded before the draft...meaning the Jet's would be picking a QB at #2. Don't see ATL going QB this year...possibly next though. I think PHI will stick with Hurts this year. CAR will sit back and pick who's left. I also don't think Darnold will be traded...just a gut feeling. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 Teams with cap space are going the NBA route this year and taking advantage of teams that need to dump bloated contracts. I wish the Jets would get in on some of this considering they are paying literally nobody. Offer to take Marcellus off Houston's hands if they give us a second rounder or something. Cap space is an asset to exploit. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 1 hour ago, section314 said: @football guy posted in a thread earlier today that his latest info on Sam was basically the same type of structure in a potential trade. Just sayin......? Thanks for pointing that out. He’s back huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FidelioJet Posted February 18, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2021 9 minutes ago, Xtina said: First and second 2016 picks traded away. Draft is a total crap shoot I think the NFL has turned this into such an offense focused league - making the QB far too impactful...That you need a top 10, more likely top 5 to have any real chance at winning a SB (sure, it can happen but it's far out of the norm) Teams just aren't sticking with their mediocre QB's anymore - you can't win with them. They bring in a guy - if he's not showing he can be a top 5 guy they move on. This is happening because the NFL decided points are why people watch games, especially in the regular. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greensince69 Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 1 hour ago, munchmemory said: I'm just saying the Wentz deal, should, hopefully, open JD's eyes and get the best he can for Darnold. I think JD knows more than any of us if that was not proven in the Adams trade. Lets be clear that contract dropped the return for wentz hugely. Darnold is cheap and much less of a risk. That said wentz is going to his old coach who knows him and should be able to fix him and motivate him. If he goes back to his rookie year form colts get a steal. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 17 minutes ago, Greenseed4 said: 6. Do we take QB4 and trade Sam? Trey Lance, sit him behind a vet for a year? Any QB who is sitting behind Sam Darnold is not very good. No thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dcJet Posted February 18, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2021 4 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: Wentz's massive contract is what lowered his value. Even with the relatively low trade compensation headed Philly's way, and even if Wentz plays well in 2021, this was a bad trade for the Colts. Yet this is what the Jets should be emulating. OK..... Colts killed this deal. They're only paying Wentz what they paid Rivers last year. If Wentz sucks, they cut him for no dead cap and it only cost then a low 3rd and a probably mid second. That first is protected as they can bench Wentz after 10 games. If Wentz regains his form, its a low 3rd and a low 1st. Well worth it and Wentz is signed for a reasonable mid 20's in the future. Colts killed this deal. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DepressedJetsFan23 Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 1 hour ago, jvill 51 said: Who was the talking head(s) saying the Eagles were going to get back a Stafford level return? Nice to know which reporters are basically just mouthpieces for teams/players looking to pump up returns. Good on the Colts for standing firm and not bidding against themselves. The worst part about the reporters is the news cycle allows them to spill absolute nonsense and never get called out for it 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Ben Had said: You have to have a team to want him...so who wants him? Whos left? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oatmeal Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 Another team with a chair in this QB musical chairs offseason. Expect the teams without chairs to get desperate, we may get a 1 for Darnit you never know 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 4 minutes ago, SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN said: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetspenguin Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 51 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said: Actually the point is Wentz did not have "weapons" last year, Darnold's overall weapons were visibly superior, and his OL was as bad or worse than the one blocking for Darnold for most of the season. Other than the mulligan anyone would get for a rookie season, 2020 is uncoincidentally the only season he's had such poor results. Darnold is more of a clean slate in that regard, but on the flip side he has no history of success in good surroundings; just failure in poor surroundings. Also in 2020 his failure season was noticeably worse than Wentz's failure season. Ultimately I think (ok, hope) it'll come to eye of the beholder who sees Darnold as this great, untapped potential. At his best, Wentz's ceiling has probably been seen, that ceiling was more than acceptable. While I dont necessarily disagree with much of what you said there is no-one that says Wentz failure is the fault of the Eagles The overwhelming majority of reports and pundits at least partly blame it on the team. The team is supposedly a contributing factor in his failure while with Wentz players or not he doesn't have the litany of organizational fauz pas on top of coaching AND lack of weapons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcJet Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 32 minutes ago, undertow said: Sam was worth a 2nd possibly late 1st three months ago........Sam is worth a 2nd possibly late 1st now. Take it! Only offer I've seen, was leaked here as a 2nd and a 5th, and that bidder is gone now. Wentz is worth way more than Sam. Wentz has a better chance of regaining, than Sam has of ascending. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 1 hour ago, FidelioJet said: Yes. Philly won this trade. They got rid of a huge salary, picked up a 2nd and 3rd for a guy - whether he's good or bad for them - simply can't stay healthy. If he can't play he doesn't help you. They still 33M in dead money this year . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcJet Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 31 minutes ago, oatmeal said: Another team with a chair in this QB musical chairs offseason. Expect the teams without chairs to get desperate, we may get a 1 for Darnit you never know Upvoted for Darnit 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayzor Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 I agree with others here that say they don't think Sam will be traded. Which teams are left that will think Sam's an upgrade over who they already have? Carolina Panthers, Denver Broncos, Pittsburgh Steelers, Chicago Bears and San Francisco 49ers are the teams remaining with question marks at QB. Bridgewater is better than Sam. Their owner wants someone better than Bridgewater. Drew Lock had a better season than Darnold but still hasn't played a full season yet. Big Ben is still a better option and will probably stay if he's willing to rework his salary. Jimmy G is better than Darnold imo. The Bears are the most desperate in the group unless they want to roll with Foles. They're the only ones left. They could trade for Darnold or re-sign Trubisky who also played better than Sam. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Had Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said: They still 33M in dead money this year . Probably more to come...rebuild/tank with new staff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 41 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: I think the NFL has turned this into such an offense focused league - making the QB far too impactful...That you need a top 10, more likely top 5 to have any real chance at winning a SB (sure, it can happen but it's far out of the norm) Teams just aren't sticking with their mediocre QB's anymore - you can't win with them. They bring in a guy - if he's not showing he can be a top 5 guy they move on. This is happening because the NFL decided points are why people watch games, especially in the regular. The AFL knew that in 1960.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 9 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said: They still 33M in dead money this year . Sure, but they would have had to pay that anyway and a heck of a lot more for a QB that can't stay on the field. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 1 hour ago, T0mShane said: You have to pay Darnold in twelve months. What kind of idiot team is ignoring that fact in any negotiation for Darnold? Umm no. He still has his 4th year, 5th year option and a franchise tag. Averaged that is way less than Wentz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oatmeal Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 8 minutes ago, rayzor said: I agree with others here that say they don't think Sam will be traded. Which teams are left that will think Sam's an upgrade over who they already have? Carolina Panthers, Denver Broncos, Pittsburgh Steelers, Chicago Bears and San Francisco 49ers are the teams remaining with question marks at QB. Bridgewater is better than Sam. Their owner wants someone better than Bridgewater. Drew Lock had a better season than Darnold but still hasn't played a full season yet. Big Ben is still a better option and will probably stay if he's willing to rework his salary. Jimmy G is better than Darnold imo. The Bears are the most desperate in the group unless they want to roll with Foles. They're the only ones left. They could trade for Darnold or re-sign Trubisky who also played better than Sam. One of those teams would be just kicking the tires on Darnit and all of those teams mentioned are trying to bring in competition for questionable starters. In Pitts case Ben is old, expensive and Darnold would be a good option to complete with Haskins and Mason. All those teams you named are still in play imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post football guy Posted February 18, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2021 4 hours ago, Greenseed4 said: Kudos for calling it! Not sure why some nerds on this site still question your insight. I hope you can put them on ignore and stick around. I can get a bit defensive so it goes both ways. Conviction and info that runs counter to people’s biased beliefs unfortunately incites a critical reaction when their emotions feel toyed with. I should do a better job of blocking it out but is what it is 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 1 hour ago, KRL said: Wentz trade doesn't definitely mean Darnold's going. If anything now there are at least three teams in the top 10 who will be looking for QB's: #4 ATL #6 PHI #8 CAR That would make for a very interesting bidding war Still prefer to just take Wilson and move on. If we want Wilson or Fields no guarantee we even get either just going to 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 1 hour ago, nyjbuddy said: Should be required reading for everyone who says the Jets should take a quarterback because they can at 2. Lots of other teams have felt that way and missed big time. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 38 minutes ago, jetspenguin said: While I dont necessarily disagree with much of what you said there is no-one that says Wentz failure is the fault of the Eagles The overwhelming majority of reports and pundits at least partly blame it on the team. The team is supposedly a contributing factor in his failure while with Wentz players or not he doesn't have the litany of organizational fauz pas on top of coaching AND lack of weapons. We'll see what Darnold returns. As much as I'm hoping that's the case I'd say decidedly beating that trade - i.e. a 2nd this year, plus a conditional 2nd that could become a 1st next year, seems optimistic. My reflexive guess is any 1st rounder that Douglas gets for Darnold - if he can get one at all - involves next year's pick, not this year's. But it's just a guess; I don't know what these teams have shown interest in offering thus far, so I don't know how far away a 2021 1st rounder is. I hope much doesn't ride on a conditional future. It's too easy to walk away from Darnold after 1 year & cheap money, rather than his new team getting in any deeper, if he doesn't turn into what they hope. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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