LIJetsFan Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 2 hours ago, UntouchableCrew said: Interesting. I thought they'd get more. If it works out it could be a great trade for the Colts. Yeah I think folks who think we are going to score big by trading Sam are sorely mistaken. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 Just now, LIJetsFan said: Yeah I think folks who think we are going to score big by trading Sam are sorely mistaken. I'm not sure there's a direct correlation (Wentz cost a lot and was shooting his way out of town while making it clear he didn't want the Bears) but I'm not expecting a first round pick, I'll put it that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 2 hours ago, JetsFanatic said: Per Schefter Philadelphia has agreed to trade Carson Wentz to the Indianapolis Colts in exchange for a 2021 third-round pick and a conditional 2022 second-round pick that could turn into a first, league sources tell @mortreport and me. Great deal for the colts !.. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docdhc Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 2 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: Wentz's massive contract is what lowered his value. Even with the relatively low trade compensation headed Philly's way, and even if Wentz plays well in 2021, this was a bad trade for the Colts. Yet this is what the Jets should be emulating. OK..... If Wentz plays well and stays healthy it’s a good trade for the Colts. Thanks to the bonuses already paid by the Eagles they just have to pay him about 22 mill a year - relatively cheap for a starting QB- for the next two years. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
football guy Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 1 hour ago, section314 said: Who knows anymore? Just wanted to give a shout out to you and @Mogglez. You guys just don't post for the hell of it, you both get some good stuff from your sources. Chicago’s ownership will not allow the team to mortgage elite future compensation in any deals this administration makes. Feels to me they’ll be forced to take the 2018 Cardinals method. Use this year’s draft capital to move up a few spots for a QB (if they even have to) and pair with a vet. If it works out great, if not a blow up looms. Only way I can see a trade for Sam (not convinced) is this year’s 2nd & 3rd. I’m not sold on the notion the Jets would take a 2 and 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 1 hour ago, dcJet said: Colts killed this deal. They're only paying Wentz what they paid Rivers last year. If Wentz sucks, they cut him and only pay a low 3rd and a probably mid second. That first is protected as they can bench Wentz after 10 games. If Wentz regains his form, its a 3rd and a low 1st. Well worth it and Wentz is signed for a reasonable mid 20's in the future. Colts killed this deal. Agreed. Getting three 2's for moving to 6 from 3 wasn't so bad either. Some front offices get it right more often than wrong. And others are the jets. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playtowinthegame Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 2 hours ago, Samtorobby47 said: Well that seems pretty easy to hit. So i'd say a 3 and 2022 1st. Has Wentz ever led a team to the playoffs playing 75% of the snaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SackExchangeNYJ Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 This deal and the Goff trade show just how valuable a commodity cap space is in this market. The Lions got so much for Stafford because they took back Goff's contract. Meanwhile, Wentz goes for what would seem to be under market value because of his contract. In this market, cap space rules. And the Jets have a lot of it. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gramsci Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 2 hours ago, munchmemory said: That's an absolute steal. Should put to rest all the idiocy that Darnold would command ridiculous compensation. Steal for someone with an albatross of a contract? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy2020 Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 2 hours ago, nj meadowlands said: Like the Goff deal, I don't think this has much bearing on any potential Darnold trade. Wentz and Goff had the two worst contracts in the NFL, which factored huge into the compensation package. and Darnold is 1 year away from either getting one of those contracts or joining Johnny Manziel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 3 hours ago, JetsFanatic said: Per Schefter Philadelphia has agreed to trade Carson Wentz to the Indianapolis Colts in exchange for a 2021 third-round pick and a conditional 2022 second-round pick that could turn into a first, league sources tell @mortreport and me. Wow so that means Darnold’s value just fell through the floor. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mark78 Posted February 18, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Greenseed4 said: It gives the QB-deficient Eagles more draft ammo to move up from 6 to 2! 1. QB, JAX 2. QB, PHI *trade with NYJ* 3. QB, CAR *trade with MIA* 4. OT/WR/CB, ATL (first crack at the draft best non-QB draftee) 5. OT/WR/TE, CIN 6. Do we take QB4 and trade Sam? Trey Lance, sit him behind a vet for a year? 2. QB, TEX *trade with NYJ 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undertow Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 40 minutes ago, football guy said: Chicago’s ownership will not allow the team to mortgage elite future compensation in any deals this administration makes. Feels to me they’ll be forced to take the 2018 Cardinals method. Use this year’s draft capital to move up a few spots for a QB (if they even have to) and pair with a vet. If it works out great, if not a blow up looms. Only way I can see a trade for Sam (not convinced) is this year’s 2nd & 3rd. I’m not sold on the notion the Jets would take a 2 and 4 They offered more then the Colts for Wentz but he didn't want to go there so they backed off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark78 Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 During a roundtable discussion on the NFLoffseason, four ESPN insiders predict the Jets will trade Darnold to the Washington Football Team. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 2 hours ago, The Crusher said: Condition: no mono Sir, the proper term is Spleen AIDS. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 2 hours ago, undertow said: Sam was worth a 2nd possibly late 1st three months ago........Sam is worth a 2nd possibly late 1st now. This might not be too far off. The one thing Darnold has going for him is that he’s financially cheap. With how this off-season is shaking out that is huge bargaining chip for the Jets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 1 hour ago, dcJet said: Colts killed this deal. They're only paying Wentz what they paid Rivers last year. If Wentz sucks, they cut him and only pay a low 3rd and a probably mid second. That first is protected as they can bench Wentz after 10 games. If Wentz regains his form, its a 3rd and a low 1st. Well worth it and Wentz is signed for a reasonable mid 20's in the future. Colts killed this deal. Fair enough. I thought the finances would be much worse for Indy than you describe here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 1 hour ago, johnnysd said: Umm no. He still has his 4th year, 5th year option and a franchise tag. Averaged that is way less than Wentz The 5th year option would need to be offered in May of this year, and I believe it would be fully guaranteed for injury. Giving him that 5th year option, which would be at least $25M, and given how oft-injured he is, would be self-sabotage. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 3 hours ago, DetroitRed said: And you’re assuming JD is going to agree to a garbage return. I don’t think he will I agree Sam costs almost nothing if you keep him! You can still draft a QB... the key is by keeping Sam you don't have to START a rookie QB before they are READY!!!!!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 51 minutes ago, football guy said: Chicago’s ownership will not allow the team to mortgage elite future compensation in any deals this administration makes. Feels to me they’ll be forced to take the 2018 Cardinals method. Use this year’s draft capital to move up a few spots for a QB (if they even have to) and pair with a vet. If it works out great, if not a blow up looms. Only way I can see a trade for Sam (not convinced) is this year’s 2nd & 3rd. I’m not sold on the notion the Jets would take a 2 and 4 That 2018 Cardinals method looks eerily like the 2017 Bears method. Just saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 3 hours ago, TeddEY said: but sweet sammy An extra large bag of potato chips? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayzor Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 1 hour ago, oatmeal said: One of those teams would be just kicking the tires on Darnit and all of those teams mentioned are trying to bring in competition for questionable starters. In Pitts case Ben is old, expensive and Darnold would be a good option to complete with Haskins and Mason. All those teams you named are still in play imo I get they want to see what he's got potentially but at what cost? Are they willing to part with a 1st? 2nd? 3rd just to have him for one year? Seems too expensive. Might be better to just draft a QB. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 1 hour ago, football guy said: Chicago’s ownership will not allow the team to mortgage elite future compensation in any deals this administration makes. Feels to me they’ll be forced to take the 2018 Cardinals method. Use this year’s draft capital to move up a few spots for a QB (if they even have to) and pair with a vet. If it works out great, if not a blow up looms. Only way I can see a trade for Sam (not convinced) is this year’s 2nd & 3rd. I’m not sold on the notion the Jets would take a 2 and 4 It was reported that the panthers offered a 2 & 4 for Sam. Is that true, to your knowledge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post T0mShane Posted February 18, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2021 Just now, genot said: It was reported that the panthers offered a 2 & 4 for Sam. Is that true, to your knowledge? No way. Jets would take that in a second, if only to knock a major player out of the Watson sweepstakes 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchmemory Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 55 minutes ago, Gramsci said: Steal for someone with an albatross of a contract? Yup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, T0mShane said: No way. Jets would take that in a second, if only to knock a major player out of the Watson sweepstakes Still think we're in on Watson. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post T0mShane Posted February 18, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2021 Just now, genot said: Still think we're in on Watson. I think we GET Watson and then sit back and the wins roll in 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcJet Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 Alternatives for other teams looking for QB. Marriota or Carr and Jimmy G are probably next. Brissett is available after the Wentz deal with no draft compensation. That's 3 guys IMO better than Sam. Trubisky is equal to Sam and doesn't cost draft picks. It only takes one Sam-lover to get a good deal though. Not sure who is interested, it could be multiple teams. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, T0mShane said: I think we GET Watson and then sit back and the wins roll in Hope your right on the wins part. I don't think Watson will be here, come September. Or anywhere else for that matter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 I think we GET Watson and then sit back and the wins roll inI agree I hope Wilson brings the wins.Sent from my SM-G950U1 using JetNation.com mobile app 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gramsci Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 31 minutes ago, munchmemory said: Yup. Disagree completely. Wentz at this moment is at a competent QB at most, who has a top 10 salary in the league. Can't really get on board with this being a steal, I would be pretty disappointed was I a Colts fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Schroy Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 4 hours ago, TeddEY said: but sweet sammy Lol. You're killing me bro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
football guy Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Sperm Edwards said: That 2018 Cardinals method looks eerily like the 2017 Bears method. Just saying. It's all they got. They're not allowed to trade future draft capital without ownership approval. Unless it's Deshaun Watson, they're going to say no. The GM and HC know their jobs are on the line. They can either go get a vet in FA, trade for a player who won't cost as much, or draft a QB like Lance/Fields/Jones and *hope* he turns out to be the goods. If he's not and the Bears underperform, then the team will blow everything up and let the new administration evaluate the QB. That's what I mean by the Arizona method... not that they're literally looking at their approach as one to replicate 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
football guy Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 55 minutes ago, genot said: It was reported that the panthers offered a 2 & 4 for Sam. Is that true, to your knowledge? No teams have made formal offers this offseason as far as I'm aware of 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcJet Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 1 hour ago, football guy said: Chicago’s ownership will not allow the team to mortgage elite future compensation in any deals this administration makes. Feels to me they’ll be forced to take the 2018 Cardinals method. Use this year’s draft capital to move up a few spots for a QB (if they even have to) and pair with a vet. If it works out great, if not a blow up looms. Only way I can see a trade for Sam (not convinced) is this year’s 2nd & 3rd. I’m not sold on the notion the Jets would take a 2 and 4 Thanks for that tidbit. That stinks. Chicago ownership should have launched Ryan Pace a couple years ago. He'll ever regain the fans after the Trubisky-Mahomes f-up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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