PFF off-season preview for Jets

[Rhg1084]

 

Nice write up 

[oatmeal]

This is becoming the consensus 

 

“

Why must the Jets make securing a franchise quarterback a top priority this offseason?

There was some talk heading into this offseason that the Jets could stay put at second overall and take a player like Penei Sewell, seeing what Sam Darnold had to offer with an improved supporting cast. It’s difficult to overstate how big of a mistake that would be for New York. 

It can be true that Darnold has had arguably the worst quarterback situation in the NFL since the Jets took him third overall in the 2018 NFL Draft and that he has done very little in his first three years in the league to warrant the kind of confidence it would take to pass on a quarterback who would go first overall in most other drafts. That is the kind of talent that both Zach Wilson and Justin Fieldshave behind Trevor Lawrence in what is an ideal quarterback draft class to find yourself picking near the top.

Darnold’s 63.1 PFF grade since 2018 ranks dead last among 32 qualifying quarterbacks. Even when isolating for clean-pocket dropbacks in an attempt to mitigate some of the poor pass protection he’s had, his 76.2 passing grade without pressure sits ahead of only Mitchell Trubisky among qualifiers. 

Could he develop into a quality starting quarterback in a better environment? Potentially. Is that chance worth passing up multiple high-level talents at the most important position in the game? That’s a tough sell. “

 

[T0mShane]

Vote to ban all mentions of PFF other than their one crucial stat showing that Marcus Maye is a full 20 points better than Jamal Adams. 

[k-met57]

32 minutes ago, oatmeal said:

This is becoming the consensus 

 

“

Why must the Jets make securing a franchise quarterback a top priority this offseason?

There was some talk heading into this offseason that the Jets could stay put at second overall and take a player like Penei Sewell, seeing what Sam Darnold had to offer with an improved supporting cast. It’s difficult to overstate how big of a mistake that would be for New York. 

It can be true that Darnold has had arguably the worst quarterback situation in the NFL since the Jets took him third overall in the 2018 NFL Draft and that he has done very little in his first three years in the league to warrant the kind of confidence it would take to pass on a quarterback who would go first overall in most other drafts. That is the kind of talent that both Zach Wilson and Justin Fieldshave behind Trevor Lawrence in what is an ideal quarterback draft class to find yourself picking near the top.

Darnold’s 63.1 PFF grade since 2018 ranks dead last among 32 qualifying quarterbacks. Even when isolating for clean-pocket dropbacks in an attempt to mitigate some of the poor pass protection he’s had, his 76.2 passing grade without pressure sits ahead of only Mitchell Trubisky among qualifiers. 

Could he develop into a quality starting quarterback in a better environment? Potentially. Is that chance worth passing up multiple high-level talents at the most important position in the game? That’s a tough sell. “

 

its not

[GodDamnSnack]

No fault of the TS, but PFF is trash. It used to be the case that you needed to be a good journalist and then someone would hire you to write for a well-respected publication. The system worked because it valued good writing and journalism. Now there is no vetting process and almost everything is made up. Anyone can, and seemingly does, write about sports. Anyone can also start a site.

"Some say he could be a steal"

"The Jets could be looking for an upgrade"

I get accused of being a grumpy old man sometimes, but wtf does this even mean? I could be the starting QB in 2021. I could get a phone call tomorrow paying me $1m to tittybang Kate Upton. I haven't lied, but without reasons to believe what is the point in saying it?

"Some feel he is being overrated and have him going several slots lower than where he is currently projected in the draft."

"The Jets may look to leave him in his starting role, hoping he can tap into some of the natural skills that made them draft him in the first place"

See! I'm a journalist too . Ideally, these guys would start reporting on things they actually know to be true. The problem however is that saying anything is better than saying nothing. This wasn't always the case when slots were limited and so was the space available in the paper. You needed to write something good in order to make it in. If you sucked at your job or made things up, you didn't get published.

Everything in this article is either made up or predicated on straight line, uni-variate statistics. I literally learned nothing new.

[GodDamnSnack]

49 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Vote to ban all mentions of PFF other than their one crucial stat showing that Marcus Maye is a full 20 points better than Jamal Adams. 

Agreed, but PFF doesn't account for being a dawg. According to Jamal that's worth at least an extra 21 points.

[jetstream23]

40 minutes ago, GodDamnSnack said:

Agreed, but PFF doesn't account for being a dawg. According to Jamal that's worth at least an extra 21 points.

 

[LionelRichie]

5 hours ago, GodDamnSnack said:

No fault of the TS, but PFF is trash. It used to be the case that you needed to be a good journalist and then someone would hire you to write for a well-respected publication. The system worked because it valued good writing and journalism. Now there is no vetting process and almost everything is made up. Anyone can, and seemingly does, write about sports. Anyone can also start a site.

"Some say he could be a steal"

"The Jets could be looking for an upgrade"

I get accused of being a grumpy old man sometimes, but wtf does this even mean? I could be the starting QB in 2021. I could get a phone call tomorrow paying me $1m to tittybang Kate Upton. I haven't lied, but without reasons to believe what is the point in saying it?

"Some feel he is being overrated and have him going several slots lower than where he is currently projected in the draft."

"The Jets may look to leave him in his starting role, hoping he can tap into some of the natural skills that made them draft him in the first place"

See! I'm a journalist too . Ideally, these guys would start reporting on things they actually know to be true. The problem however is that saying anything is better than saying nothing. This wasn't always the case when slots were limited and so was the space available in the paper. You needed to write something good in order to make it in. If you sucked at your job or made things up, you didn't get published.

Everything in this article is either made up or predicated on straight line, uni-variate statistics. I literally learned nothing new.

You had me at Kate upton 

[heymangold]

5 hours ago, k-met57 said:

its not

If you don’t have a qb you’re not winning in this league.  The jets don’t have a qb.  Thus, finding a qb is priority number one.

[FidelioJet]

This was a very good read.

I enjoyed the perspective they had to offer.  They were mostly correct.

Basically, the Jets roster is currently garbage and need upgrades everywhere.  Which I think most of know, but they offered options at each position to help.

Agree with them or not, it was a good article and a worthy of my time.

[k-met57]

1 hour ago, heymangold said:

If you don’t have a qb you’re not winning in this league.  The jets don’t have a qb.  Thus, finding a qb is priority number one.

They do

[heymangold]

1 hour ago, k-met57 said:

They do

Ok Sam, stop posting here.

[k-met57]

8 hours ago, heymangold said:

Ok Sam, stop posting here.

No

[CanadaSteve]

18 hours ago, oatmeal said:

This is becoming the consensus 

 

“

Why must the Jets make securing a franchise quarterback a top priority this offseason?

There was some talk heading into this offseason that the Jets could stay put at second overall and take a player like Penei Sewell, seeing what Sam Darnold had to offer with an improved supporting cast. It’s difficult to overstate how big of a mistake that would be for New York. 

It can be true that Darnold has had arguably the worst quarterback situation in the NFL since the Jets took him third overall in the 2018 NFL Draft and that he has done very little in his first three years in the league to warrant the kind of confidence it would take to pass on a quarterback who would go first overall in most other drafts. That is the kind of talent that both Zach Wilson and Justin Fieldshave behind Trevor Lawrence in what is an ideal quarterback draft class to find yourself picking near the top.

Darnold’s 63.1 PFF grade since 2018 ranks dead last among 32 qualifying quarterbacks. Even when isolating for clean-pocket dropbacks in an attempt to mitigate some of the poor pass protection he’s had, his 76.2 passing grade without pressure sits ahead of only Mitchell Trubisky among qualifiers. 

Could he develop into a quality starting quarterback in a better environment? Potentially. Is that chance worth passing up multiple high-level talents at the most important position in the game? That’s a tough sell. “

 

Yeah, if ONLY we knew Justin Fields or Zach Wilson were that, and not just the flavor of the month.  We shall see I guess. 

[68JET11]

Rinse repeat, over and over and over with this team... It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that this team SUCKS balls, so while it is essential that we get a QB, it's not priority #1. There are trade down options this year that can still get us a good QB to sit for a year, and then make a splash. Priority #1 this year is to fill most of the holes on this team, starting with OL.

[neckdemon]

wilson and fields are not goiung to be anything but busts in the nfl. pass on them. wilson in particular is going to be a bust because his frail frame will be destroyed in half a season.

[football guy]

20 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Vote to ban all mentions of PFF other than their one crucial stat showing that Marcus Maye is a full 20 points better than Jamal Adams. 

PFF has its moments, but its scouting/analysis is so ridiculous. Their raw statistical data is by far the best aspect of their existence. 

As far as Crowder goes, they're not going to cut him. I do think there's a good chance they trade him, but it's going to be hard to extract anything more than a fourth-round pick from a team given how deep the class is. Washington would be my best guess for a team that would trade for him. 

Why they would trade one of their best receivers? No, I don't think it's about fit; the scheme is flexible and just because Crowder is a slot specialist doesn't mean the team can't create a role for him. Ultimately his skill-set and route-running abilities fit within the offense no matter where he lines up, and he's also a pretty good blocker for a receiver his size (which is important in this offense). I think it comes down to his salary and because he does have his limitations. Sure, you can still put him in on two-wide sets, but does he threaten deep in addition to the short-intermediate routes? You can do a lot more with a guy like Curtis Samuel than you can with Jamison Crowder. Furthermore, the redundancy aspect with Berrios. The Jets feel really good about Berrios, and he can do most of the things Crowder can... maybe not as well, but he's also getting paid 1/12 the amount. Why pay Crowder $10.5 million to play 30-40% of the snaps, knowing he won't be here next year, when you can spread the wealth between Berrios, a FA, and a draft pick? Bears watching. 

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

5 minutes ago, football guy said:

PFF has its moments, but its scouting/analysis is so ridiculous. Their raw statistical data is by far the best aspect of their existence. 

As far as Crowder goes, they're not going to cut him. I do think there's a good chance they trade him, but it's going to be hard to extract anything more than a fourth-round pick from a team given how deep the class is. Washington would be my best guess for a team that would trade for him. 

Why they would trade one of their best receivers? No, I don't think it's about fit; the scheme is flexible and just because Crowder is a slot specialist doesn't mean the team can't create a role for him. Ultimately his skill-set and route-running abilities fit within the offense no matter where he lines up, and he's also a pretty good blocker for a receiver his size (which is important in this offense). I think it comes down to his salary and because he does have his limitations. Sure, you can still put him in on two-wide sets, but does he threaten deep in addition to the short-intermediate routes? You can do a lot more with a guy like Curtis Samuel than you can with Jamison Crowder. Furthermore, the redundancy aspect with Berrios. The Jets feel really good about Berrios, and he can do most of the things Crowder can... maybe not as well, but he's also getting paid 1/12 the amount. Why pay Crowder $10.5 million to play 30-40% of the snaps, knowing he won't be here next year, when you can spread the wealth between Berrios, a FA, and a draft pick? Bears watching. 

I hate that logic. Berrios is no where near as reliable as Crowder is. Crowder continues to make tough catch after tough catch and find the endzone. Berrios is decent but he's also had his fair share of brutal drops in critical moments. 

And if you're keeping Sam, Crowder was his favorite target. Even if you start a rookie QB, I'd rather have a veteran WR like Crowder for one year then giving him Berrios. 

[Fantasy Island]

5 hours ago, neckdemon said:

wilson and fields are not goiung to be anything but busts in the nfl. pass on them. wilson in particular is going to be a bust because his frail frame will be destroyed in half a season.

I agree on Wilson, but Fields has the it factor.  And we need that.