Popular Post STLuLu Posted February 19, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 19, 2021 There's been a lot of hype on sports talk media and social media on the Jets parting ways with Sam Darnold in favor of drafting Zack Wilson with the #2 pick. If you're done with Darnold and think Wilson is a better option and you're rooting for Joe Douglas to make this happen, here are three reasons why you should be begging Douglas to pump the brakes: 1) Wilson can't be just better than Darnold, he has to be exceptional. The Jets have massive holes everywhere so signing a few free-agents and crossing your fingers on draft day isn't going to patch up all the holes. Because of the lack of talent, he has to possess Andrew Luck or Aaron Rogers like talent to place this team on his shoulders and ascend them out of the basement clown's club and up into the high-rise members only club. 2) Do you believe Wilson's odds are greater for him to make the Jets a better team vs keeping Darnold and trading out of the #2 spot in exchange for a boatload of picks? Even if you're a believer in Wilson, you can post all the videos of his fabulous incomplete passes you want, you still have to honest with yourself and think hard on this one. Even if Douglas only hits on 50% of his picks in the upcoming 2021 draft, the odds are still in favor of Darnold plus those picks. 3) 5 teams in the 2020 season made the post season dispite the performance of their QBs: The Steelers, the Browns, the Rams, the Bears, and the Washington football team. If we keep Darnold and trade out of the #2 slot and load up on talent to surround around him with, don't you believe we can be better than a team like the Steelers or the Titans and possibly make the playoffs? Or do you believe we would have a better chance with Wilson minus a void in talent? If you're a Wilson supporter these are questions you have ask yourself and be honest about. My bet is on Dornald plus an above average supporting cast. I hope the Jets does the right thing and keep Darnold. 11 1 2 3 3 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoni Beast Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 If we have a trade down for a ransom ready to go? Sure. If we’re sitting at 2, noway. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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joewilly12 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 3 years record as starting NY Jets QB. 13-25 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayzor Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Do we want a QB that can barely take us to the playoffs at his best or one that can go all the way? There's a reason why teams traded away their decent QB's recently. They know you need to be better at that position to get them to the next level. I don't think there will be any takers for Darnold so that will be an interesting decision at 2. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark78 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Augustiniak Posted February 19, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 19, 2021 At what point does everyone evaluate darnold by what he does on the field and not by what people think he can be? 15 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RedBeardedSavage Posted February 19, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 19, 2021 6 minutes ago, Augustiniak said: At what point does everyone evaluate darnold by what he does on the field and not by what people think he can be? At the point when he actually has a decent offensive line, skill position players and coach. 6 1 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 The guys w/ the darnold pajamas still with this crap ????? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said: The guys w/ the darnold pajamas still with this crap ????? The only guy with who still wears pajamas, is the guy you want to draft with the 2nd pick. 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Be_a_Jet Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Reasons 1 and 2 are the same reason. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YankeeJet22 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Augustiniak said: At what point does everyone evaluate darnold by what he does on the field and not by what people think he can be? He's played with shlt for a shlt coaching staff. And you know it more than anyone. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSteve Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 1 hour ago, rayzor said: Do we want a QB that can barely take us to the playoffs at his best or one that can go all the way? There's a reason why teams traded away their decent QB's recently. They know you need to be better at that position to get them to the next level. I don't think there will be any takers for Darnold so that will be an interesting decision at 2. And yet his first point is COMPLETELY on point: Do you believe Zach Wilson is Aaron Rodgers or Patrick Mahomes good to actually carry this team while they build more talent? OR....is it better to build a team first, then put a rookie in place to help them? There are very few QB's that come out anymore who are ready to carry a team. VERY VERY few. Maybe its time teams actually build good teams first, then put the QB in place. 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heymangold Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 If Zach Wilson is 1 win better than Sam Darnold, it’s worth it. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 There's not really a good reason. Best thing for all parties involved is to move on. He might go on to do good things. That ship has sailed here 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayzor Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 9 minutes ago, CanadaSteve said: And yet his first point is COMPLETELY on point: Do you believe Zach Wilson is Aaron Rodgers or Patrick Mahomes good to actually carry this team while they build more talent? OR....is it better to build a team first, then put a rookie in place to help them? There are very few QB's that come out anymore who are ready to carry a team. VERY VERY few. Maybe its time teams actually build good teams first, then put the QB in place. Rookie QBs will be a crap shoot. The top ones played well enough in college to get drafted early. The argument against Darnold is that he hasn’t shown anything in 3 years and his upside is limited. The reality is we don’t know how he could do but his time has run out. That’s the Jets fault. The risk In not taking a QB this season is that we might not be in this high a position again. We all know how expensive it is to trade up just a few spots. We lost 3 2’s on Darnold. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_Smith Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 1 hour ago, RedBeardedSavage said: At the point when he actually has a decent offensive line, skill position players and coach. I don’t think Gase is a good coach by any means, but his offense was much better looking with Flacco and i thought that was telling. I think Flacco would’ve won 5-6 games if he started all year. Darnold just didn’t seem to have any capacity to run the offense 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ChuckkieB Posted February 19, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 19, 2021 Darnold is a broken QB and needs a lot of fixing before he can become a consistently effective player. I have more faith in the new regime to reboot the position and pick the QB they think can hit the ground running in the NFL than trying to fix a 4th year QB. As I said a million times, QB's who have been cumulatively below average for their first 3 years in the league very rarely if ever magically transform themselves into all pros. Time to move on from Darnold. 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleDown Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 The Jets should draft Wilson or Fields at #2 and keep Darnold to play out his 4th and final year. This allows the Jets to ease the rookie into action and give him some development time instead of throwing him into the fire starting Week 1. Darnold will get a chance to prove himself in a new system, and if he does relatively well, he increases his comp pick value when he leaves in free agency. Darnold is an experienced quarterback at a reasonable price with potential upside. He is ideal as a bridge quarterback if you put your emotions aside and look at the situation objectively. Unless the Jets are blown away by a trade offer, they should absolutely keep him for the 2021 season. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSJF Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 He’s done here, JD didn’t draft him and has had two seasons to evaluate... a lot of suckiness was Gase but there are things about his game that are maddening(holding on to the ball, throwing dumb pssses, not seeing wide open receivers, not reading defenses etc...) with a new coach it’s time to build a team reset the clock on the rookie contract for the QB... take care Sam, best of luck, good dude, dumb as a stump, passive, he got the short end of the deal here talent and coaching wise, but let him rise like the Phoenix somewhere else... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTJet Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 1 hour ago, heymangold said: If Zach Wilson is 1 win better than Sam Darnold, it’s worth it. Negative. That's just asking to consistently have worse draft position. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 2 hours ago, RedBeardedSavage said: At the point when he actually has a decent offensive line, skill position players and coach. Picky Picky You asking a lot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 3 hours ago, Augustiniak said: At what point does everyone evaluate darnold by what he does on the field and not by what people think he can be? Yet aren't we doing exactly that with Wilson, or Fields, or any other rookie? Evaluating them on what we think they can be? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undertow Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Trading down and getting extra picks could expedite the rebuilding process by years. You can get a Deshaun Watson type package by trading down twice. Otherwise we are talking about a slow rebuild and praying whoever we pick pans out. I'm not against picking a QB if they are in love with one but some of you guys are acting like it makes no sense to get a ransom for the pick and see how Darnolds performs next year. If he fails we will have plenty of draft capital to draft or trade for a QB next year. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jetsfan80 Posted February 19, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 19, 2021 4 hours ago, RedBeardedSavage said: At the point when he actually has a decent offensive line, skill position players and coach. Justin Herbert had the # 32 ranked O-Line and a HC that got fired. Didn’t stop him from being the Offensive ROY. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornJetsFan1983 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 How about no losses with Darnold were his fault! He never cost us a game even with the rookie mistakes. Sure we lost and sure he made some poor throws, but he was put in a mahomes superbowl position every single week with out the benefit of any legitimate gameplan, nfl offensive system, or good coaching. Everything wrong with his game is very fixable and a nfl coaching staff could fix in a season. See end of rookie season when we had actual nfl quality coaching. He still even till the last game he played showed talent and I think he can still lead the team to the promise land. No matter on your opinion of Darnold. Building a tram around him is a obviously the right thing. Coachijg staff isn't tied to him but knows he can buy them another year to get qb while getting rest of team in shape. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornJetsFan1983 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said: Justin Herbert had the # 32 ranked O-Line and a HC that got fired. Didn’t stop him from being the Offensive ROY. He had a nfl quality offense and plays designed to help him. The fact where you don't see a difference in situation kind of shows your bias. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 37 minutes ago, BornJetsFan1983 said: He had a nfl quality offense and plays designed to help him. The fact where you don't see a difference in situation kind of shows your bias. So the difference between # 36 ranked QB play and upper tier QB play is someone calling the good plays. Got it. I admire your childlike faith in Sam Darnold. I really do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 40 minutes ago, BornJetsFan1983 said: How about no losses with Darnold were his fault! He never cost us a game even with the rookie mistakes. Sure we lost and sure he made some poor throws, but he was put in a mahomes superbowl position every single week with out the benefit of any legitimate gameplan, nfl offensive system, or good coaching. Everything wrong with his game is very fixable and a nfl coaching staff could fix in a season. See end of rookie season when we had actual nfl quality coaching. He still even till the last game he played showed talent and I think he can still lead the team to the promise land. No matter on your opinion of Darnold. Building a tram around him is a obviously the right thing. Coachijg staff isn't tied to him but knows he can buy them another year to get qb while getting rest of team in shape. Dude can’t even throw for 200 yards in a game and consistently makes mind-numbingly bad throws and decisions every game. But nothing is his fault. lmao. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYJ1 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 7 hours ago, STLuLu said: There's been a lot of hype on sports talk media and social media on the Jets parting ways with Sam Darnold in favor of drafting Zack Wilson with the #2 pick. If you're done with Darnold and think Wilson is a better option and you're rooting for Joe Douglas to make this happen, here are three reasons why you should be begging Douglas to pump the brakes: 1) Wilson can't be just better than Darnold, he has to be exceptional. The Jets have massive holes everywhere so signing a few free-agents and crossing your fingers on draft day isn't going to patch up all the holes. Because of the lack of talent, he has to possess Andrew Luck or Aaron Rogers like talent to place this team on his shoulders and ascend them out of the basement clown's club and up into the high-rise members only club. 2) Do you believe Wilson's odds are greater for him to make the Jets a better team vs keeping Darnold and trading out of the #2 spot in exchange for a boatload of picks? Even if you're a believer in Wilson, you can post all the videos of his fabulous incomplete passes you want, you still have to honest with yourself and think hard on this one. Even if Douglas only hits on 50% of his picks in the upcoming 2021 draft, the odds are still in favor of Darnold plus those picks. 3) 5 teams in the 2020 season made the post season dispite the performance of their QBs: The Steelers, the Browns, the Rams, the Bears, and the Washington football team. If we keep Darnold and trade out of the #2 slot and load up on talent to surround around him with, don't you believe we can be better than a team like the Steelers or the Titans and possibly make the playoffs? Or do you believe we would have a better chance with Wilson minus a void in talent? If you're a Wilson supporter these are questions you have ask yourself and be honest about. My bet is on Dornald plus an above average supporting cast. I hope the Jets does the right thing and keep Darnold. 100% agreed 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 It’s weird how this issue gets treated so binary. The Jets can use the #2 pick on a QB and also use their other draft picks and cap space to acquire players. The problem isn’t using the #2 pick on a quarterback, it’s using the other assets to acquire players that are good, which the Jets suck at. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronx Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 You draft Fields instead, who played top level competition. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibby Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 I’m to the point now, I’m fairly convinced he is coming back. We’re trading the pick for a haul instead. Because this team is nowhere close to a ( win now) team.... It is probably the smartest thing to do. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysticalJet2 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 All I'll say is that if they trade Sam and go QB in the 1st round at 2, they better be sure it is a major upgrade. If not, we are starting all over and it is the end of JD. I think the safer choice (for JD) is to go 1 more year with Sam under the new system and see how it pans out... then go QB in FA or draft if it doesn't. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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