clayton163v Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 5 hours ago, Jet Nut said: I remember that draft well. Lam was considered a stud. I always remember Ray Perkins questioning how any team was going to cover Lam and Walker. As for college he caught 85 passes for 1,603 yards, 18.9 per with 14 TDs. 1970s college ball. Playing for Texas. He was a top college player. Lets not forget he was a gold medal winner at the 1976 Montreal Olympics in track. He busted still. OK, you got me. I thought he was not that accomplished in college. A true bust though. He could not get off the line against press coverage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYJ1 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 15 hours ago, JazzyJet said: I was just perusing out draft history as I do every year around this time and wow is it painful. It is so so so bad. The last few crappy years were the fruit of the terrible drafting that took place between 2010-2016 particularly. You can't come back from this kind of drafting. Just your friendly reminder that first round picks don't always pan out?. 2008 - Vernon Gholston 2010 - Kyle Wilson 2012 - Quinton Coples 2013 - Dee Milliner 2014 - Calvin Pryor 2016 - Darron Lee Honorable mentions from 2nd round: 2012 - Stephen Hill, 2013 - Geno Smith, 2014 - Jace Amaro, 2015 - Devin Smith, 2016 - Christian Hackenberg LOL Every Jets fan knows this. It's my belief we finally have a competent GM in town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 12 hours ago, sirlancemehlot said: They could have literally just picked from Kiper's or McShays "best available" list and done far better. True enough. I think people tend to focus on the first rounders and not put as much weight on the 2nd and third round misses. Not for nothing but at best a team may only have 7 or 8 first round drafted players at any one time. The rest of the team has to come from somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Harper Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 Some of you may have noticed that we have different guys making the picks now. I’m hoping for the best. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPitch Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 18 hours ago, JazzyJet said: I was just perusing out draft history as I do every year around this time and wow is it painful. It is so so so bad. The last few crappy years were the fruit of the terrible drafting that took place between 2010-2016 particularly. You can't come back from this kind of drafting. Just your friendly reminder that first round picks don't always pan out?. 2008 - Vernon Gholston 2010 - Kyle Wilson 2012 - Quinton Coples 2013 - Dee Milliner 2014 - Calvin Pryor 2016 - Darron Lee Honorable mentions from 2nd round: 2012 - Stephen Hill, 2013 - Geno Smith, 2014 - Jace Amaro, 2015 - Devin Smith, 2016 - Christian Hackenberg LOL Ya but DW is in no way worthy of 3 first round picks. Thats what they say here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OilfieldJet Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 Let’s hope that JD at least allows us to revert to mean on drafting. Anything better would be awesome. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LockeJET Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 How may first round picks since 2009 signed a second contract with us? Just Wilkerson? And that second contract was a bust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 13 hours ago, Jet Nut said: Precisely why I asked why he added him to the bust list. Started, some years on good defenses for 11 seasons Probably meant Blair Thomas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 3 minutes ago, shawn306 said: Probably meant Blair Thomas I assumed that, nobody got the joke with Bryan Thomas. Thank you, theres hope ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
68JET11 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 27 minutes ago, HighPitch said: Ya but DW is in no way worthy of 3 first round picks. Thats what they say here! Cry me a river lol... Nobody says DW isn't worth 3 1st's, If I were the 49er's, Rams, and teams like that I'd pony up the 3 1st's in a heartbeat. However this team needs way more than just DW. That's what people who agree with me feel, not that we don't like DW. Heck, even Nick Mangold said basically the same thing. He's only one of the best football players this team has ever had, and he keeps following them, but what does he know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPitch Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 35 minutes ago, 68JET11 said: Cry me a river lol... Nobody says DW isn't worth 3 1st's, If I were the 49er's, Rams, and teams like that I'd pony up the 3 1st's in a heartbeat. However this team needs way more than just DW. That's what people who agree with me feel, not that we don't like DW. Heck, even Nick Mangold said basically the same thing. He's only one of the best football players this team has ever had, and he keeps following them, but what does he know. Nick mangold's opinion is his own. It's not more or less valid that anyone elses. So let me get this straight......you show how "valuable" 1st round picks are. You shown how much risk is involved. But in the most important position on the team you lobby to NOT take the KNOWN star qb so that you can roll the dice and and play against the odds so that you can have a group of busts vs. the real proven deal. OK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmnj Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 17 hours ago, Jet Nut said: 22nd pick, who played 11 years? Why? blair thomas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmnj Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 16 hours ago, clayton163v said: Thomas was not a bust. Even had some really good years playing strong side LB. wrong thomas how quickly they forget blair thomas was the second pick of the draft by the jets in 1990 draft and his tenure with the jets was very poor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 18 hours ago, dcJet said: Coples and Millener and Gholston were exceptional athletes and on top of everybody's draft boards. Coples strong like bull. Just crazy how hard it is to project these guys. Milliner is exhibit A why we cannot take Zach Wilson at 2nd overall If you have that long an injury history by the end of college your body is not going to hold up in the NFL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmnj Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 two hall of famers in the 1990 taken after blair thomas too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
68JET11 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 50 minutes ago, HighPitch said: Nick mangold's opinion is his own. It's not more or less valid that anyone elses. So let me get this straight......you show how "valuable" 1st round picks are. You shown how much risk is involved. But in the most important position on the team you lobby to NOT take the KNOWN star qb so that you can roll the dice and and play against the odds so that you can have a group of busts vs. the real proven deal. OK Draft a QB would be fine with me, just roll with our guys, not give up picks. Don't see how that plays against the odds as the same could have been said for Watson when he was drafted. Turns out he's good, but he could have busted also. It's all a crap shoot. I'd prefer to build the team with high draft picks in other positions we need as well. We're not just a QB away from being a good team. That's my position. It's not saying we don't need a QB, it's just not all we need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPitch Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 9 minutes ago, 68JET11 said: Draft a QB would be fine with me, just roll with our guys, not give up picks. Don't see how that plays against the odds as the same could have been said for Watson when he was drafted. Turns out he's good, but he could have busted also. It's all a crap shoot. I'd prefer to build the team with high draft picks in other positions we need as well. We're not just a QB away from being a good team. That's my position. It's not saying we don't need a QB, it's just not all we need. Right but my point is with watson there is no crap shoot. He's good. Its guaranteed. Thats why watson> several picks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE BARON Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 17 hours ago, clayton163v said: This is the more painful list. We desperately needed Haight and Cadigan to work out. Kenny O'Brien was a championship level QB He could beat you all by himself. When he was on, the game was over. But he was like Payton Manning. No wheels of any kind. Best QB since Broadway Joe. Worse, Haight was exactly who we thought he was. But he was a pulling guard. An obsolete position in the pros today but everybody used to have one. But the game had changed and he was too light. Cadigan was a stud, but his career ended when the NFL took away his steroids. Ron Farout was not even in Joel Buchbaum's draft guide. We took him like 10th. When we cut him one year later - uninjured - not one team took a sniff. Lam Jones had like five catches in college. He was the second pick. How can you do that?!? I liked O'Brien, but he was a large part of the reason that the Jets offensive line never looked good. O'Brien had the worst pocket awareness of any QB that played for the Jets. He simply didn't feel, hear or see it coming. Nice arm, good ball placement, good character, good football smarts, but badly flawed due to non existent pocket awareness. I see Giants QB Daniel Jones with a similar problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIJetsFan Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 19 minutes ago, THE BARON said: I liked O'Brien, but he was a large part of the reason that the Jets offensive line never looked good. O'Brien had the worst pocket awareness of any QB that played for the Jets. He simply didn't feel, hear or see it coming. Nice arm, good ball placement, good character, good football smarts, but badly flawed due to non existent pocket awareness. I see Giants QB Daniel Jones with a similar problem. O'Brien was pretty damn good; Marino was better. End of story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 1 hour ago, HighPitch said: Right but my point is with watson there is no crap shoot. He's good. Its guaranteed. Thats why watson> several picks Nothing is guaranteed when it comes to the Jets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayton163v Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 13 hours ago, kmnj said: wrong thomas how quickly they forget blair thomas was the second pick of the draft by the jets in 1990 draft and his tenure with the jets was very poor Oh I remember Blair Thomas. My Bills fan friends never let me forget it since they took Therman Thomas. Poor Blair Thomas. He dragged tacklers in college and found NFL linebackers are a different story. Lacked both size and wheels. Could not run away from them or run them over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayton163v Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 12 hours ago, LIJetsFan said: O'Brien was pretty damn good; Marino was better. End of story. There is no doubt about that. But Kenny O could have been a championship QB. The sack exchange and Lance Mehl gave us a solid defense. But we could not pick up the blitz or convert third and short. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayton163v Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 13 hours ago, THE BARON said: I liked O'Brien, but he was a large part of the reason that the Jets offensive line never looked good. O'Brien had the worst pocket awareness of any QB that played for the Jets. He simply didn't feel, hear or see it coming. Nice arm, good ball placement, good character, good football smarts, but badly flawed due to non existent pocket awareness. I see Giants QB Daniel Jones with a similar problem. I thought his awareness was fine. He had two flaws. First, he had to wind up to throw. The pocket in front of him had to be clean. Second, he could not run away or elude rushers. But he was a far cry from Daniel Brown. Kenny O was the toughest player I ever saw. He took hits that were so violent I was sure he was not getting up. Yet like Rocky and Apollo Creed he would just get up and be ready to go. Daniel Brown would literally die if hit like Kenny O. Kenny O reminds me of Rothlisberger. Daniel Brown reminds me of Chad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 On 2/23/2021 at 12:30 PM, JazzyJet said: I was just perusing out draft history as I do every year around this time and wow is it painful. It is so so so bad. The last few crappy years were the fruit of the terrible drafting that took place between 2010-2016 particularly. You can't come back from this kind of drafting. Just your friendly reminder that first round picks don't always pan out?. 2008 - Vernon Gholston 2010 - Kyle Wilson 2012 - Quinton Coples 2013 - Dee Milliner 2014 - Calvin Pryor 2016 - Darron Lee Honorable mentions from 2nd round: 2012 - Stephen Hill, 2013 - Geno Smith, 2014 - Jace Amaro, 2015 - Devin Smith, 2016 - Christian Hackenberg LOL Thank god you're here to let me know how bad the Jets first round picks have been throughout the years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhg1084 Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 On 2/23/2021 at 5:08 PM, rangerous said: Keyshawn was the last wr taken in the first round but they did draft Brecht and Keller and Kyle Brady in round one. Santana Moss was a 1st rounder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doitny Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 On 2/23/2021 at 1:50 PM, nycdan said: Here's a ranked list of the Rams 1st round picks over the past 4 years. and yet there been better than us. just proves you can be a playoff team and not have #1 picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 18 hours ago, HighPitch said: Right but my point is with watson there is no crap shoot. He's good. Its guaranteed. Thats why watson> several picks He just went 4-12 with a better roster 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 7 hours ago, Rhg1084 said: Santana Moss was a 1st rounder You are right. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE BARON Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 10 hours ago, clayton163v said: I thought his awareness was fine. He had two flaws. First, he had to wind up to throw. The pocket in front of him had to be clean. Second, he could not run away or elude rushers. But he was a far cry from Daniel Brown. Kenny O was the toughest player I ever saw. He took hits that were so violent I was sure he was not getting up. Yet like Rocky and Apollo Creed he would just get up and be ready to go. Daniel Brown would literally die if hit like Kenny O. Kenny O reminds me of Rothlisberger. Daniel Brown reminds me of Chad. Yes... He got his brains bashed in. I liked him a lot, but his pocket awareness issues were glaring. Tom Brady does not move any quicker than Ken O'Brien did. The difference is Brady has eyes all around his head and he knows what direction to take that single step. You only have to move a few feet. The compelling factors are: 1. Be aware that you have to move and: 2. What direction to take that step. Awareness and economy of motion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Harper Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 On 2/23/2021 at 6:54 PM, johnnysd said: WTF? I hope that is just a hoax video of some sort I always thought quicksand wasn't a real thing and was invented for serials in the 1930s for cliff-hangers, so to speak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undertow Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 I was real excited about Jace Amaro...thought he was gonna be the next Mark Bavaro. lol I actually liked that whole 2014 draft at the time. We did draft Enenwa that year and turned Pryor into Demario Davis...but apparently Davis didn't play like a Jet....we got rid of that guy twice. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Bruce Harper said: I always thought quicksand wasn't a real thing and was invented for serials in the 1930s for cliff-hangers, so to speak. No it is a very real thing, but I guess the fatality aspect is mostly a TV/movie thing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayton163v Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 7 hours ago, THE BARON said: Yes... He got his brains bashed in. I liked him a lot, but his pocket awareness issues were glaring. Tom Brady does not move any quicker than Ken O'Brien did. The difference is Brady has eyes all around his head and he knows what direction to take that single step. You only have to move a few feet. The compelling factors are: 1. Be aware that you have to move and: 2. What direction to take that step. Awareness and economy of motion. Fair enough, but when Brady is getting hit, he loses the game. The Jets offensive line was horrible. Freeman McNeil ended up getting nicknamed McRib because of it. The Jets tried to fix it but our early choices kept busting. That was my real point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE BARON Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 2 hours ago, clayton163v said: Fair enough, but when Brady is getting hit, he loses the game. The Jets offensive line was horrible. Freeman McNeil ended up getting nicknamed McRib because of it. The Jets tried to fix it but our early choices kept busting. That was my real point. The talent lever on the line was good. Way better than what Darnold has. Jeff Criswell took some time to stop getting flagged, but he shaped up nicely. Mike Haight was not nearly as bad as some fans think he was. Interior lineman have a hard time pass blocking for a QB that wont or cant get out of the way. Jim Sweeny was an excellent center. Dan Alexander was just about the best guard the Jets ever had. He never had a bad game. Reggie McElroy was a mean, nasty player that more than held own for years. Mickey Shuller was a good blocker and had the head to help his QB as a check down or when pressure was there. O'Brien made them look bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 14 hours ago, undertow said: I was real excited about Jace Amaro...thought he was gonna be the next Mark Bavaro. lol I actually liked that whole 2014 draft at the time. We did draft Enenwa that year and turned Pryor into Demario Davis...but apparently Davis didn't play like a Jet....we got rid of that guy twice. lol I remember Pauline was a HUGE Amaro guy. So much so he created a thread to gloat about him getting 59 yds receiving in one game as a titan after the Jets cut him? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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