Rich Cimini: Jets should keep Sam Darnold

[bitonti]

14 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Zack Wilson is a sucky pony boy

There he is 

Despite the recent public relations onslaught, 

The upcoming bust of Zach wilson is among the most predictable from this draft class 

Of course that guy is going to be terrible. And he's not Josh Allen. He looks like the guy who delivers packages 

I can understand reaching a little bit on fields. I don't love it but I understand it. Shoot I can even be convinced of Lance or Mac Jones, if the moon is just right 

Wilson is a suspect prospect due to physical shortcomings and lack of competition. He's also kind of a jerk. Anyone but wilson is my draft hope at this point 

[T0mShane]

17 minutes ago, bitonti said:

There he is 

Despite the recent public relations onslaught, 

The upcoming bust of Zach wilson is among the most predictable from this draft class 

Of course that guy is going to be terrible. And he's not Josh Allen. He looks like the guy who delivers packages 

I can understand reaching a little bit on fields. I don't love it but I understand it. Shoot I can even be convinced of Lance or Mac Jones, if the moon is just right 

Wilson is a suspect prospect due to physical shortcomings and lack of competition. He's also kind of a jerk. Anyone but wilson is my draft hope at this point 

We’re trading for Deshaun Watson anyway.

[dcJet]

1 hour ago, oatmeal said:

How many QBs have had 4th year turnarounds? It’s extremely rare and even more rare for a QB who’s had turnover problems predating the pros - to enter the pros still and turn the ball over - to magically fix that problem year 4.

There is no logic banking on a such a long shot like this. So call me stubborn or whatever you like, I could careless.

Sam may fix turnovers for one year, but will likely regress to his old turnover self.  That's the history for turnover prone QB's.

Vinnie fixed himself three times in a 20 year career but always reverted to turnover machine.   Fitzmagic too.  We can probably expect that from Sammy.

Or Sammy might be like Sanchez and Winston who were never fixed.

[oatmeal]

3 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

We’re trading for Deshaun Watson anyway.

I think he’s going to Carolina, the owner is apparently obsessed with getting a Franchise QB and willing to part with anything. IMO Joe Douglas doesn’t have big enough balls or confidence in his own scouting ability to make this trade.

[oatmeal]

1 minute ago, dcJet said:

Sam may fix turnovers for one year, but will likely regress to his old turnover self.  That's the history for turnover prone QB's.

Vinnie fixed himself three times in a 20 year career but always reverted to turnover machine.   Fitzmagic too.  We can probably expect that from Sammy.

Or Sammy might be like Sanchez and Winston who were never fixed.

Great point I didn’t even consider that.

[T0mShane]

2 minutes ago, oatmeal said:

I think he’s going to Carolina, the owner is apparently obsessed with getting a Franchise QB and willing to part with anything. IMO Joe Douglas doesn’t have big enough balls or confidence in his own scouting ability to make this trade.

The only way Carolina could pull together a package for Watson is by trading up to #2 first. They simply don’t have the horses to get it done, no matter what Tepper wants

[bitonti]

10 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

We’re trading for Deshaun Watson anyway.

If Watson truly is the star we all know him to be, Houston will either make him hold out or trade him to the nfc. Carolina feels right. That franchise gives a crap. 

The Jets are going to employ Samuel darnold because his 21 salary is 928k. The Johnson doctrine needs the team to keep all sorts of cap space for that big move they are never going to make. 

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

 

I can see Tepper doing this.....and more. 

[bitonti]

7 minutes ago, oatmeal said:

I think he’s going to Carolina, the owner is apparently obsessed with getting a Franchise QB and willing to part with anything. IMO Joe Douglas doesn’t have big enough balls or confidence in his own scouting ability to make this trade.

Their franchise paid for Matt Rhule. Our franchise hired Adam gase. Agree there are teams actively trying to get better using money like Carolina and teams that are hoping for a miracle like the Jets 

[oatmeal]

1 minute ago, bitonti said:

Their franchise paid for Matt Rhule. Our franchise hired Adam gase. Agree there are teams actively trying to get better using money like Carolina and teams that are hoping for a miracle like the Jets 

This 

 

You couldn’t be more correct and that hoping for a miracle sums up this franchise and fanbase perfectly  

[T0mShane]

3 minutes ago, bitonti said:

The Jets are going to employ Samuel darnold because his 21 salary is 928k.

Bit, Darnold’s salary is $9.7 million this year.

[BROOKLYN JET]

NFL Draft 2021: Growing ‘buzz’ Jets will keep Sam Darnold, trade No. 2 pick - nj.com

Updated Feb 23, 2021; Posted Feb 23, 2021

The New York Jets might trade quarterback Sam Darnold. Andrew Mills | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com

By Mike Rosenstein | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com

The New York Jets are on the clock for the 2021 NFL Draft.

It’s a foregone conclusion the Jacksonville Jaguars will use the No. 1 pick overall on Clemson quarterback Trevor Lawrence.

So Jets general manager Joe Douglas must decide if he will trade Sam Darnold and use the No. 2 pick on a new franchise QB (BYU’s Zach Wilson or Ohio State’s Justin Fields), keep the No. 2 pick and get some help for Darnold (Oregon tackle Penei Sewell or Alabama wide receiver DeVonta Smith), or keep Darnold and trade the No. 2 pick to move down the board and stockpile selections.

The Boston Globe’s Ben Volin reports “there is increasing buzz the Jets are going to roll with Sam Darnold and his $920,000 salary this year, and build up the pieces around him instead of drafting a QB. Considering how many teams are hot for the top quarterback prospects, Douglas might be able to get a haul for No. 2 to add to his collection of draft picks. For a Jets team that is rebuilding from scratch, that scenario has to be very tempting.”

Keep in mind, the Jets already own six of the first 98 selections in the 2021 NFL Draft thanks to the Jamal Adams trade. And they will have close to $70 million to spend in free agency, providing Douglas with a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to rebuild the organization from top to bottom and inside out.

Thank you for relying on us to provide the journalism you can trust. Please consider supporting NJ.com with a subscription.

Mike Rosenstein may be reached at mrosenstein@njadvancemedia.com. Tell us your coronavirus story or send a tip here.

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

3 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Their franchise paid for Matt Rhule. Our franchise hired Adam gase. Agree there are teams actively trying to get better using money like Carolina and teams that are hoping for a miracle like the Jets 

Woody is back in town. Anything is possible!

What's funny is I know for a fact he reads most if not all the comments on his twitter posts and the majority of them are fans screaming for Watson. 

[Bungaman]

11 minutes ago, oatmeal said:

I think he’s going to Carolina, the owner is apparently obsessed with getting a Franchise QB and willing to part with anything. IMO Joe Douglas doesn’t have big enough balls or confidence in his own scouting ability to make this trade.

I disagree with the second statement. Maybe he doesn't want to overpay for a single position, as important as it is. I am all for getting Watson - but I want a good deal, not a bad one. A bad small deal can be overcome relatively easily. A bad big deal leaves you with multiyear damage.

[T0mShane]

4 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Their franchise paid for Matt Rhule. Our franchise hired Adam gase. Agree there are teams actively trying to get better using money like Carolina and teams that are hoping for a miracle like the Jets 

Bit it’s already spent money. They have a budget for salary and a cap floor. They tried to give Kirk Cousins $120 mil in cash three years ago. Please open a window. Get some air.

[bitonti]

5 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Bit, Darnold’s salary is $9.7 million this year.

His salary is 928k. His total 21 cash payout is 4.7 mil. His cap hit is 10 million dollars. 

[bitonti]

5 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Bit it’s already spent money. They have a budget for salary and a cap floor. They tried to give Kirk Cousins $120 mil in cash three years ago. Please open a window. Get some air.

The Jets have 15 million in dead cap on trumaine Johnson, leveon bell and quincy. They cut and trade players to use their cap space, that's not the same as writing a check. 

[T0mShane]

1 minute ago, bitonti said:

His salary is 928k. His total 21 cash payout is 4.7 mil. His cap hit is 10 million dollars. 

4.7 million is a little more than $928k

 

[T0mShane]

3 minutes ago, bitonti said:

The Jets have 15 million in dead cap on trumaine Johnson, leveon bell and quincy. They cut and trade players to use their cap space, that's not the same as writing a check. 

They also gave Trumaine Johnson $70 million dollars and Leveon Bell $30 million dollars, which seems to cut into your “The Johnsons refuse to spend money” argument, my G.

[oatmeal]

10 minutes ago, Bungaman said:

I disagree with the second statement. Maybe he doesn't want to overpay for a single position, as important as it is. I am all for getting Watson - but I want a good deal, not a bad one. A bad small deal can be overcome relatively easily. A bad big deal leaves you with multiyear damage.

I mean what is really overpaying if you have the ability to identify talent in later rounds? With the amount of 1st round crutch, draft picks it will take to make this trade you have to have Uber confidence in your scouting abilities. 

[LIJetsFan]

I'll add my 2cents to the debate.  Sam was an ok rookie under Bowles.  

[oatmeal]

A 49ers beat writer after watching some tape on Sam :
 

 

[dcJet]

9 minutes ago, Samtorobby47 said:

 

I can see Tepper doing this.....and more. 

Houston doesn't want Bridgewater and that crappy contract.  The Houston mole reporter told us.

 

[Biggs]

28 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Their franchise paid for Matt Rhule. Our franchise hired Adam gase. Agree there are teams actively trying to get better using money like Carolina and teams that are hoping for a miracle like the Jets 

Rivera took over a 2 and 14 Carolina team.  In Rivera's 9 years in Carolina he never had a record as bad as Matt Rhule did last year.  The more tape teams had on Matt Rule the worse Carolina got.  After a 3 and 2 start they went 2 and 9 down the stretch.   Gase in year 1 here was simply better than Matt Rhule in year 1 in Carolina.  Before you put on your knee pads for Matt Rhule let him prove he's a mediocre NFL HC.  

Woody ate Gase's contract and I like our new coaching staff better than Carolina's.

[bitonti]

11 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

They also gave Trumaine Johnson $70 million dollars and Leveon Bell $30 million dollars, which seems to cut into your “The Johnsons refuse to spend money” argument, my G.

They made those splashes to get above the cap floor. They spend money to get above 93 percent. That's not the same as adequate funding. They starve the beast and years like this one they are 70 million under that's way below. They pocket the difference. They would rather pay for free agent mercenary and refuse to give any homegrown players a deal. 

[Beerfish]

Whoever totally sells the farm for Watson is making a huge mistake.  I hope it is not the Jets.

[T0mShane]

1 minute ago, bitonti said:

They made those splashes to get above the cap floor. They spend money to get above 93 percent. That's not the same as adequate funding. They starve the beast and years like this one they are 70 million under that's way below. They pocket the difference. They would rather pay for free agent mercenary and refuse to give any homegrown players a deal. 

What homegrown player should they have paid, though? 

[T0mShane]

Just now, Beerfish said:

Whoever totally sells the farm for Watson is making a huge mistake.  I hope it is not the Jets.

What if they just sold a cow and two pigs?

[T0mShane]

1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

What homegrown player should they have paid, though? 

(Getting a hard-on waiting for bit to answer “Jamal Adams”)

[peekskill68]

I like the fact that there's been two dozen reporters who write and tweet out all sorts of BS everyday for eyeballs and clicks, and at least two dozen posters on this site who have put up > 100 posts each and to this day, NO ONE knows WTF JD is going to do...

[bitonti]

3 minutes ago, Biggs said:

 

Woody ate Gase's contract and I like our new coaching staff better than Carolina's.

Gase was the cheapest hc in the game. It's like saying they ate the payments on a used corolla with 200k miles 

Big whoop 

I like Robert Saleh too but Matt Rhule required a top 5 all time college football buyout from baylor. That's before the 8mil per year salary. Whether Rhule is good or not isn't the point, the hire shows commitment. 

[bitonti]

1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

(Getting a hard-on waiting for bit to answer “Jamal Adams”)

Robby Anderson who is now... In Carolina 

[Biggs]

11 minutes ago, bitonti said:

They made those splashes to get above the cap floor. They spend money to get above 93 percent. That's not the same as adequate funding. They starve the beast and years like this one they are 70 million under that's way below. They pocket the difference. They would rather pay for free agent mercenary and refuse to give any homegrown players a deal. 

They fired Gase after 2 years and just put in place what looks like a great coaching staff.   Moving on from Gase wasn't free and Gase in year 1 was better than Rhule in year 1.  

Which home grown players deserved a big contract?  Robbie?  He didn't want to stay here and he didn't get a big contract going somewhere else.

Woody is clueless and so is his brother.  Throwing money around on coaches or GM's doesn't solve that.  Gase getting rid of Mac was worth more than Rhule's entire contract.

[dcJet]

15 minutes ago, LIJetsFan said:

I'll add my 2cents to the debate.  Sam was an ok rookie under Bowles.  

Myth.

He was 31st in QB rate.

17 tds - 20 turnovers.

Sammy was never good... just flashed like Sanchez occasionally.

[T0mShane]

2 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Robby Anderson who is now... In Carolina 

On short money. Making $8 million this year. With no contract extension in sight. Why should we have paid him when no one else wants to?