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59 minutes ago, rangerous said:

At least he can catch passes not like when they picked Kyle Brady.

Johnny Mitchell, there's company out there for Brady, a crowd of dropped balls among Jets tight ends of the past.

Never say never but Kyle Pitts  is no ordinary tight end; he's a grade above any tight end that the Jets have drafted previously.

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I swear to ******* god if this franchise uses any more first rounders on DL I am gonna bash my nuts in with a kettlebell.

I mean, I want a QB, but Kyle Pitts is one of the best players in the draft in an offense that thrives with a good pass-catching TE. I wouldn't have an issue with the player, more about the plan or la

Very fair, but we need a team.  Doesn’t matter who the QBs is without that.  Watson threw for a billion yards last year and won 2 more games.  Douglas is trying to get us a real roster 

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48 minutes ago, GreekJet said:

Pitts, Smith, Waddle, and Chase are all elite. If the Jets go that route they might as well trade with Carolina since one of them will be able there at 8. 

I wouldn't classify Waddle as elite . He has elite speed though.

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1 hour ago, GreekJet said:

Has Jets trading with Falcons and selecting Kyle Pitts at #4. At #23 Michigan edge rusher Kwity Paye. 

And what else do the Jets get?  The #2 for the #4 and what else? 

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40 minutes ago, LAD_Brooklyn said:
2021 NFL Mock Draft - Charlie Campbell

2. NFL Team Logo for Jets New York Jets: Kyle PittsTE, Florida

After missing out on Trevor Lawrence, the quarterback prospects all have serious flaws, so the Jets could decide to build around Sam Darnold and attempt to move down. Some league sources believe that is the direction the Jets are trending if the Texans are unwilling to trade Deshaun Watson. It still is early in the process, however, and a lot could change during free agency and when the coaches start getting more involved, including doing pre-draft interviews.

 
Many teams around the league have Pitts as the second-highest-graded player in the 2021 NFL Draft and believe he is the best receiving weapon. Certainly, Pitts would be a huge upgrade for the Jets, and he'd give Darnold an elite weapon he has never had before.


Team sources say they think Pitts is a top-10 talent due to his dynamic ability as a receiver, and some scouts feel he is the best receiving weapon in the 2021 NFL Draft. Some think he could play wide receiver and be a poor man's Calvin Johnson. Others think that Pitts should stay at tight end but could be a Travis Kelce- or Tony Gonzalez-caliber weapon. The consensus among team evaluators is that Pitts is a far better tight end prospect than T.J. Hockenson, Ebron, O.J. Howard or Evan Engram.

Pitts was incredible in 2020, showing speed on long touchdown receptions, size on jump balls, superior route-running to create separation, good hands, and dangerous yards-after-the-catch skills. He was too fast for linebackers and some defensive backs while being too big for safeties or cornerbacks in coverage. Pitts is matchup nightmare and the most dynamic mismatch receiving weapon in the 2021 NFL Draft, including Ja'Marr Chase, DeVonta Smith, and Jaylen Waddle. The 6-foot-6, 239-pound Pitts also is known to be a great kid who loves football, works hard, and is a good teammate.

Pitts totaled 43 receptions for 770 yards and 12 touchdowns in 2020. He turned into play-maker in 2019, creating mismatches in the passing game while recording 54 receptions for 649 yards and five touchdowns

23. NFL Team Logo for Jets New York Jets: Jaycee Horn, CB, South Carolina

Clearly, the Jets need more cornerback talent. Here's a potential starting outside corner with a lot of upside.

While teammate Israel Mukuamu received more media attention coming into 2020, some team sources shared they preferred Horn as a prospect for the NFL. They felt Horn is a more fluid athlete and faster. Those evaluators liked Horn's ability to run the route and prevent separation.

Horn looked very good in 2020, holding his own against Florida's dynamic receivers and dominating Auburn. He totaled 16 tackles, two interceptions and six passes defended for his season. Horn opted out of the final three games of the year after head coach Will Muschamp was fired.

Horn broke into the starting lineup as a true freshman and showed improvement in his sophomore season. He has quality size to him and has shown a nice ability to break up passes. Horn (6-1, 205) helped himself as a junior, showing improved ball skills. Jaycee Horn is the son of former Saints wide receiver Joe Horn.

34. NFL Team Logo for Jets New York Jets: Travis Etienne, RB, Clemson

The Jets need a feature running back to help their offense. Here's a running weapon who also will help their passing offense.

Etienne is not the biggest of backs, but he runs hard for his size and is fast with the ability to rip off long runs on any carry. He also could be an excellent receiving weapon in the NFL because he is a threat to take short check downs for long gains. Etienne totaled 168 carries for 914 yards - 5.4 average - and 14 touchdowns with 48 receptions for 588 yards and two scores in 2020. He also suffered from ball-security issues over the course of the season, fumbling against Boston College, Syracuse and Georgia Tech.

The 5-foot-10, 200-pounder played well for Clemson in 2019, showing the speed to break off long gains on any carry. He averaged 7.8 yards per carry for 1,614 yards with 18 touchdowns. He also made 37 receptions for 432 yards and four touchdowns. Etienne averaged 8.1 yards per carry in 2018 for 1,658 yards with 24 touchdowns. He also caught 12 passes for 78 yards and two scores.

66. NFL Team Logo for Jets New York Jets: Jayson Oweh, OLB, Penn State

New York could use more edge-rush talent.

Oweh flashed some edge-rush potential for Penn State. In 2019, he totaled five sacks and 21 tackles. Oweh made 38 tackles in 2020, but he didn't notch a sack. The 6-foot-5, 252-pounder could stand to get stronger and become a more well-rounded player in the NFL.

86. NFL Team Logo for Jets New York Jets: Tylan Wallace, WR, Oklahoma State

The Jets can always use more weapons at this point.

Wallace recorded 59 catches for 922 yards and six touchdowns in 2020. He had 53 receptions for 903 yards and eight touchdowns in 2019 before going down with a season-ending injury. As a sophomore, he caught 86 passes for 1,491 yards with 12 touchdowns. Wallace (6-0, 185) might fit best in the NFL as a slot receiver because team sources say Wallace is not as big as his listed numbers. They feel he is similar to Josh Doctson, but Wallace is smaller. They call Wallace a tough receiver who plays big but lacks speed. They state he runs good routes and runs well after the catch, but doesn't have a special dimension of mismatch size or speed.

 

I would want Douglas gone immediately.

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I'll be pretty upset if we don't take a QB.

That said, I love Pitts and would take him over any WR in this draft. He's an athletic freak, a mismatch machine. You can get WRs in the third round who end up being better than the guys in the first round. Guys like Pitt are only available at the top of the draft.

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If we trade to 4 it probably means we are not selecting a QB.  I would then drop a few more spots with one of the teams that may be looking at a QB.    We can load up on picks and still draft a potential great player.

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4 minutes ago, Jets Voice of Reason said:

4

I believe in this mock he has Smith going 3.  If that is the case I would go Chase at 4 over Pitts.  If Smith is kn the board, I go him over anyone in the non QB debate. 

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2 hours ago, Jets Voice of Reason said:

I mean, I want a QB, but Kyle Pitts is one of the best players in the draft in an offense that thrives with a good pass-catching TE. I wouldn't have an issue with the player, more about the plan or lack thereof regarding QB.

Can anyone tell me if Pitts is a Herndon type TE that sucks at blocking or a Kelce/ Kittle type who does it all?

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34 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

And what else do the Jets get?  The #2 for the #4 and what else? 

A 2nd and 3rd this year according to the chart.  Trading from 2 to 4 is not a haul.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, dcJet said:

A 2nd and 3rd this year according to the chart.  Trading from 2 to 4 is not a haul.

QB trade up though.  To move up one spot, the Bears traded four picks: their first-, third- and fourth-round picks in 2017 and their 2018 third-rounder

One spot up to guarantee the QB pick.  

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54 minutes ago, Gangrene said:

Johnny Mitchell, there's company out there for Brady, a crowd of dropped balls among Jets tight ends of the past.

Never say never but Kyle Pitts  is no ordinary tight end; he's a grade above any tight end that the Jets have drafted previously.

Thats like saying you bang better than Sar. Likely true but not a bragging point

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Kiper's argument this whole time has been "Darnold was a better QB prospect than Wilson and Fields, so they should stick with him." 

For argument's sake, we'll say Kiper is correct. He's literally ignoring three years of pretty bad NFL QB play. At some point, Darnold needs to be judged on his NFL play, rather than college potential.

I'm one of those people that thinks the Jets absolutely failed Darnold. They surrounded him with nothing, and he never got better. It sucks, but it is what it is. Now you get a chance to reset the cap and try again with a cheap, blue chip QB prospect. They have to do it.

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46 minutes ago, Irish Jet said:

I would want Douglas gone immediately.

1000%

 

I mean so out team who needs help everywhere and we are arguably in the strongest draft position this year because of so many teams wanting it and the first pick being a lock on trevor...so this expert wants us to draft WR last and take a TE number 1? Drunk ass..

This just goes to show you how terrible these guys really are. I mean this is MACC level stupid.

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13 minutes ago, jcass10 said:

Kiper's argument this whole time has been "Darnold was a better QB prospect than Wilson and Fields, so they should stick with him." 

For argument's sake, we'll say Kiper is correct. He's literally ignoring three years of pretty bad NFL QB play. At some point, Darnold needs to be judged on his NFL play, rather than college potential.

I'm one of those people that thinks the Jets absolutely failed Darnold. They surrounded him with nothing, and he never got better. It sucks, but it is what it is. Now you get a chance to reset the cap and try again with a cheap, blue chip QB prospect. They have to do it.

or you get a chance to get him some weapons!

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32 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said:

Can anyone tell me if Pitts is a Herndon type WR that sucks at blocking or a Kelce/ Kittle type who does it all?

He's not a Gronk/Kittle type who's an amazing blocker and would line up a lot in-line.

He's closer to Kelce or Waller... My comp is a better Jimmy Graham.

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44 minutes ago, prime21 said:

If we trade to 4 it probably means we are not selecting a QB.  I would then drop a few more spots with one of the teams that may be looking at a QB.    We can load up on picks and still draft a potential great player.

If they trade to 4 to pick a QB they’re morons 

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2 hours ago, InstantClassic said:

Trade down with Atlanta:

Take TE Pitts at 4

Paye DE at 23

 

If we take a TE in the top 10 this board would implode.

For any te other than pitts, yes

Pitts is way more than a te hes a playmaker and a receiver and a mismatch for d 

Other than a qb, Pitts is my #1

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46 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said:

Can anyone tell me if Pitts is a Herndon type WR that sucks at blocking or a Kelce/ Kittle type who does it all?

Lol. Herndon is a good blocker 

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2 hours ago, GreekJet said:

Has Jets trading with Falcons and selecting Kyle Pitts at #4. At #23 Michigan edge rusher Kwity Paye. 
 

He has 5 QBs in top 9.

1. Lawrence-Jax

2. Wilson-Atlanta 

7. Fields-San Francisco *trade*

8. Jones-Carolina 

9.  Lance-New England *trade*
 

 

But but but bitonti said only 2 qbs were going in the first 😜

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1 hour ago, LAD_Brooklyn said:
2021 NFL Mock Draft - Charlie Campbell

2. NFL Team Logo for Jets New York Jets: Kyle PittsTE, Florida

After missing out on Trevor Lawrence, the quarterback prospects all have serious flaws, so the Jets could decide to build around Sam Darnold and attempt to move down. Some league sources believe that is the direction the Jets are trending if the Texans are unwilling to trade Deshaun Watson. It still is early in the process, however, and a lot could change during free agency and when the coaches start getting more involved, including doing pre-draft interviews.

 
Many teams around the league have Pitts as the second-highest-graded player in the 2021 NFL Draft and believe he is the best receiving weapon. Certainly, Pitts would be a huge upgrade for the Jets, and he'd give Darnold an elite weapon he has never had before.


Team sources say they think Pitts is a top-10 talent due to his dynamic ability as a receiver, and some scouts feel he is the best receiving weapon in the 2021 NFL Draft. Some think he could play wide receiver and be a poor man's Calvin Johnson. Others think that Pitts should stay at tight end but could be a Travis Kelce- or Tony Gonzalez-caliber weapon. The consensus among team evaluators is that Pitts is a far better tight end prospect than T.J. Hockenson, Ebron, O.J. Howard or Evan Engram.

Pitts was incredible in 2020, showing speed on long touchdown receptions, size on jump balls, superior route-running to create separation, good hands, and dangerous yards-after-the-catch skills. He was too fast for linebackers and some defensive backs while being too big for safeties or cornerbacks in coverage. Pitts is matchup nightmare and the most dynamic mismatch receiving weapon in the 2021 NFL Draft, including Ja'Marr Chase, DeVonta Smith, and Jaylen Waddle. The 6-foot-6, 239-pound Pitts also is known to be a great kid who loves football, works hard, and is a good teammate.

Pitts totaled 43 receptions for 770 yards and 12 touchdowns in 2020. He turned into play-maker in 2019, creating mismatches in the passing game while recording 54 receptions for 649 yards and five touchdowns

23. NFL Team Logo for Jets New York Jets: Jaycee Horn, CB, South Carolina

Clearly, the Jets need more cornerback talent. Here's a potential starting outside corner with a lot of upside.

While teammate Israel Mukuamu received more media attention coming into 2020, some team sources shared they preferred Horn as a prospect for the NFL. They felt Horn is a more fluid athlete and faster. Those evaluators liked Horn's ability to run the route and prevent separation.

Horn looked very good in 2020, holding his own against Florida's dynamic receivers and dominating Auburn. He totaled 16 tackles, two interceptions and six passes defended for his season. Horn opted out of the final three games of the year after head coach Will Muschamp was fired.

Horn broke into the starting lineup as a true freshman and showed improvement in his sophomore season. He has quality size to him and has shown a nice ability to break up passes. Horn (6-1, 205) helped himself as a junior, showing improved ball skills. Jaycee Horn is the son of former Saints wide receiver Joe Horn.

34. NFL Team Logo for Jets New York Jets: Travis Etienne, RB, Clemson

The Jets need a feature running back to help their offense. Here's a running weapon who also will help their passing offense.

Etienne is not the biggest of backs, but he runs hard for his size and is fast with the ability to rip off long runs on any carry. He also could be an excellent receiving weapon in the NFL because he is a threat to take short check downs for long gains. Etienne totaled 168 carries for 914 yards - 5.4 average - and 14 touchdowns with 48 receptions for 588 yards and two scores in 2020. He also suffered from ball-security issues over the course of the season, fumbling against Boston College, Syracuse and Georgia Tech.

The 5-foot-10, 200-pounder played well for Clemson in 2019, showing the speed to break off long gains on any carry. He averaged 7.8 yards per carry for 1,614 yards with 18 touchdowns. He also made 37 receptions for 432 yards and four touchdowns. Etienne averaged 8.1 yards per carry in 2018 for 1,658 yards with 24 touchdowns. He also caught 12 passes for 78 yards and two scores.

66. NFL Team Logo for Jets New York Jets: Jayson Oweh, OLB, Penn State

New York could use more edge-rush talent.

Oweh flashed some edge-rush potential for Penn State. In 2019, he totaled five sacks and 21 tackles. Oweh made 38 tackles in 2020, but he didn't notch a sack. The 6-foot-5, 252-pounder could stand to get stronger and become a more well-rounded player in the NFL.

86. NFL Team Logo for Jets New York Jets: Tylan Wallace, WR, Oklahoma State

The Jets can always use more weapons at this point.

Wallace recorded 59 catches for 922 yards and six touchdowns in 2020. He had 53 receptions for 903 yards and eight touchdowns in 2019 before going down with a season-ending injury. As a sophomore, he caught 86 passes for 1,491 yards with 12 touchdowns. Wallace (6-0, 185) might fit best in the NFL as a slot receiver because team sources say Wallace is not as big as his listed numbers. They feel he is similar to Josh Doctson, but Wallace is smaller. They call Wallace a tough receiver who plays big but lacks speed. They state he runs good routes and runs well after the catch, but doesn't have a special dimension of mismatch size or speed.

 

If we use our second on a running back I will be upset.

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1 hour ago, 56mehl56 said:

I wouldn't classify Waddle as elite . He has elite speed though.

I like Waddle I think he's more polished and has better skills then a guy like Ruggs who I would say is just a speed guy.

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4 minutes ago, undertow said:

I like Waddle I think he's more polished and has better skills then a guy like Ruggs who I would say is just a speed guy.

Fits our new offense better. YAC, ability. Can play outside, or in the slot. Too high at #4. #8. Maybe.

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1 hour ago, Jet Nut said:

And what else do the Jets get?  The #2 for the #4 and what else? 

According to the draft chart, The Falcons second rounder, and third rounder make it very close.

Maybe their second this year, second next year, with a 4th thrown in there somewhere.

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