The Sharps Know Watson Will Be a Jet

[GKnight83]

The Day after the Dodgers signed Kirk Gibson I bet $100 at like 99-1 the Dodgers would win the World Series.  I doubled down at like 3-1 the Dodgers would beat the Mets in the NL playoffs and again doubled down at 7-1 the Dodgers would beat the A's in the '88 Series.

This would be a similar bet. 

Someone might be willing to put a small amount on this but the Jets have nowhere near the talent level the Dodgers had that year.

Even if the Jets get Watson this is a foolish bet.

[MindOverMatter]

1 hour ago, FidelioJet said:

It's pretty simple.  The Jets have the worst roster in the NFL.  Therefor it's worse than the Texans roster.

Jets Defense is better. Run games are about equal, but i'd give Jets the edge with Becton run blocking. WRs in Houston are better but for how long? Fuller always injured and Cooks has a new team everyother year, plus the Jets will absolutely improve the WR position.

Saleh and JD > whatever combo of morons they have in Houston.

Not buying that Houston is so much better than the Jets. Especially after this offseason is finished.

[oatmeal]

7 minutes ago, bitonti said:

There are sports books overseas offering odds on Watson. Texans are the leaders at +200. Jets are at +1000, with 6 teams offering better odds 

I’m sure the sharks overseas are more dialed in than their American counterparts... LOL 

[derp]

58 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

I'm a working man and have neither the time or inclination to list both of their rosters, but go ahead and look them up - it's painfully obvious.

I’m familiar with the Texans roster. It is old and overpaid. They have like one good player aside from Watson, and $6M in cap space.

[GreekJet]

3 minutes ago, neckdemon said:

well so far the texans won't even listen to an offer for watson 

 

What do you think Caserio’s mentor Bill Belichick would do in this situation? I’m pretty sure Watson would be out the door lighting quick. 

One player can’t be bigger than the team.  

[nycdan]

1 hour ago, FidelioJet said:

I'm a working man and have neither the time or inclination to list both of their rosters, but go ahead and look them up - it's painfully obvious.

FWIW, Texans without Watt or Watson are far worse than any other roster in the league, including ours.  Assuming Mercilus is gone for cap reasons, the only other 'names' on their roster are Tunsil and Cooks.  Given their crippling cap hampering any chance to bring in quality FAs, and It's actually not even that close. 

I get it.  You've got the fever and the only cure for you is more Zach Wilson, but Watson is very probably a better outcome.

[Greenbloodblitz]

1 hour ago, FidelioJet said:

It's not just the draft picks, it's also the money.  Paying him what needs to be paid removes the ability to fix the team with free agents as well.

The Jets are not in a position to give up 4 first rounds picks and pay a 4 win QB $30mm with the current talent on the roster.

Bottom line, the Jets roster is by far worse than the Texans, not sure why anyone thinks we'll be any better with Watson as the QB.  Maybe we'll win 6 games instead of 2 (or the 4 Watson won with a better roster) but upgrading the roster with whatever cap space is left.

Watson is a great fit for a team that has an established roster, missing a QB (much like Tampa last year)

 

This 100%! And to be perfectly honest I usually don't agree with you on many things, but you're spot on here.

[T0mShane]

5 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Go bet the rent payment if you're so certain 

10 to 1 its free money right 

Emmanuel kant says that a wager is the way for people to stop and analyze the endless sh*t they talk 

I'll make this bet with you Shane, 2:1 if he stays in Houston 10 to 1 if he's a jet 

I believe it was Foucault who said, “Drafting a right tackle at 2 is ******* clownshoes.”

$50 to St Jude’s that Watson is not an employee of the Houston Texans on the opening day of the 2021 NFL regular season. 

[Sperm Edwards]

39 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

It's not just the draft picks, it's also the money.  Paying him what needs to be paid removes the ability to fix the team with free agents as well.

The Jets are not in a position to give up 4 first rounds picks and pay a 4 win QB $30mm with the current talent on the roster.

Bottom line, the Jets roster is by far worse than the Texans, not sure why anyone thinks we'll be any better with Watson as the QB.  Maybe we'll win 6 games instead of 2 (or the 4 Watson won with a better roster) but upgrading the roster with whatever cap space is left.

Watson is a great fit for a team that has an established roster, missing a QB (much like Tampa last year)

 

lessens ≠ removes. Also this ignores how much the QB alone improves this team, as though the position exists in a vacuum.

The Jets are in the perfect position to surrender all that, while they’re sitting on 4 #1s and a high #2 and whatever high pick they can get in return for Darnold, as well as what could easily be upwards of $90MM in cap space. Oh, and it looks like they’re going to give up one of those high picks to retain Darnold anyway, should a Watson trade fail to materialize.

I don’t know yet what the actual pricetag would be, but think it’s overstated how much every draft pick will yield, and worry about the easier task of filling a supporting cast over the harder task of a 25 year-old veteran QB well on his way to being a 1st ballot HOFer (on a discounted contract, no less, with Houston paying his sigining bonus). Never mind he’s available when he’s available, not when one gets to cherry pick a better-desired time. 

The Jets roster is nowhere near “far worse than the Texans” no matter how many times this falsehood is repeated. Houston’s defense was worse, and not just because of injuries. Their OL was worse. They had a better receiving corps for most (but certainly not all) of the season. Given the full cast on offense (starting RB and WRs), despite the record they were still competitive even with that garbage OL, garbage defense, garbage coaching, and the unique team disruption that occurs when trading away a Hopkins type player. And all that’s with a schedule that had 10 playoff opponents on it. FFS they lost 3 games despite scoring over 30 points (two of which with 2/3 of his starting WRs out with injuries or suspensions).

Watson’s severely underrated here, and the difficulty in acquiring the number of players needed to make the Watson-Jets a playoff contender is severely overstated.

[RedBeardedSavage]

3 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Go bet the rent payment if you're so certain 

10 to 1 its free money right 

Emmanuel kant says that a wager is the way for people to stop and analyze the endless sh*t they talk 

I'll make this bet with you Shane, 2:1 if he stays in Houston 10 to 1 if he's a jet 

I think he's just missing the real takeaway from the article: 

“Maybe they know something,” William Hill sportsbook director Nick Bogdanovich said. “I don’t know. Maybe they think Sam Darnold will start playing better.”

Barbarossa reroll with a new line, #weapinz, competent coach and the motherf***in' king of offensive systems!

Deus Vult!

Deshaun Watson is cool too, though. I fully support that as well. But say no to drafting a QB not named Trevor Lawrence in this draft. 

[chad2coles]

1 hour ago, FidelioJet said:

It's not just the draft picks, it's also the money.  Paying him what needs to be paid removes the ability to fix the team with free agents as well.

The Jets are not in a position to give up 4 first rounds picks and pay a 4 win QB $30mm with the current talent on the roster.

Bottom line, the Jets roster is by far worse than the Texans, not sure why anyone thinks we'll be any better with Watson as the QB.  Maybe we'll win 6 games instead of 2 (or the 4 Watson won with a better roster) but upgrading the roster with whatever cap space is left.

Watson is a great fit for a team that has an established roster, missing a QB (much like Tampa last year)

 

This bad take over and over again.

Deshaun Watson will be a discount for the Jets.  Every decent QB that signs a new deal between now and the end of Watson's deal will get paid more than what the Jets would pay Watson.  Dak, Mayfield, Allen, and Jackson are all about to sign bigger contracts than Watson's cap hits would be as a Jet.  In 2022 Cousins, Ryan, Rodgers, Wilson, and Tannehill are already scheduled to be bigger cap hits than Watson's cap hit.  Mahomes has a $500M contract.

Deshaun Watson has the highest completion percentage of all time and the 2nd highest QB rating of all time behind a consistently terrible o-line.

[Greenbloodblitz]

Let me add that when you put all your eggs in one basket, if we give up all that capital and all that pay to DeShawn let's just say he blows out a knee or has a high ankle sprain.

He won't be elevating anything around him except his leg and we'll be totally f*****.

[Dcat]

1 hour ago, FidelioJet said:

It's pretty simple.  The Jets have the worst roster in the NFL.  Therefor it's worse than the Texans roster.

[The Crusher]

17 minutes ago, bitonti said:

There are sports books overseas offering odds on Watson. Texans are the leaders at +200. Jets are at +1000, with 6 teams offering better odds 

It’s fair that he will most likely stay in Houston, if I was Houston I’d make sure he does. But, if he doesn’t? 6 teams more likely than Jets? No way, Houston needs to draft their future QB and sell them to the fan base. I mean maybe they think the 3rd best QB, leftover QB will do it but I think they need that second slot for optics. I’d say Miami , Carolina and Jets would be the worse the odds should be from the Jets perspective. But at the end of it Houston will keep him and the Jets will make the wrong choice. 

[Dcat]

4 minutes ago, Greenbloodblitz said:

Let me add that when you put all your eggs in one basket, if we give up all that capital and all that pay to DeShawn let's just say he blows out a knee or has a high ankle sprain.

He won't be elevating anything around him except his leg and we'll be totally f*****.

I see.  So you are saying let's continue to have crappy QB play on the cheap because the QB could possibly get injured.  Isn't that true for all high paid QBs though?  Are you saying that teams shouldn't have highly paid QBs due to injury risk?  Sorry, ...  this reasoning does NOT compute.

[Biggs]

The Jets roster with Watson is miles better than Houston's roster.  

[greenwichjetfan]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

Deeeeeeeeeeep cut

[Dcat]

4 minutes ago, Dcat said:

duplicate...     still getting fooled by that elusive edit button.   Why not move it back?

 

[greenwichjetfan]

1 hour ago, The Crusher said:

Technically Sam made it three if you subtract mono time, injury time and the time he spent  seeing ghost. 

Technically seeing ghosts makes you elite, doe. 

See the Russell Wilson article from the athletic. 

[chad2coles]

8 minutes ago, Greenbloodblitz said:

Let me add that when you put all your eggs in one basket, if we give up all that capital and all that pay to DeShawn let's just say he blows out a knee or has a high ankle sprain.

He won't be elevating anything around him except his leg and we'll be totally f*****.

That's what happens when you have elite talent at the most important position in football.  You could say the same thing about every team with a good QB.  The Steelers, Packers, Bills, Bucs, Chiefs, Seahawks, even the Browns and Ravens.  What did the Niners do without Garopoolo?

[The Crusher]

3 minutes ago, greenwichjetfan said:

Technically seeing ghosts makes you elite, doe. 

See the Russell Wilson article from the athletic. 

LOL

[T0mShane]

Just now, chad2coles said:

The Steelers, Packers, Bills, Bucs, Chiefs, even the Browns and Ravens.

It is a shame that none of these teams are competitive, though. 

[chad2coles]

8 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

It is a shame that none of these teams are competitive, though. 

You cannot be competitive unless you have 4 first round picks in 2 years, 5 years before you plan on being competitive.

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

[FidelioJet]

43 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Are you describing Deshaun Watson or the entitled wee lad from the Mormon Tabernacle Choir? 

More unfounded character assassinations.

[T0mShane]

8 minutes ago, chad2coles said:

You cannot be competitive unless you have 4 first round picks in 2 years, 5 years before you plan on being competitive.

Hang it up, Chiefs. Your time is nigh.

[bitonti]

35 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I believe it was Foucault who said, “Drafting a right tackle at 2 is ******* clownshoes.”

$50 to St Jude’s that Watson is not an employee of the Houston Texans on the opening day of the 2021 NFL regular season. 

To bet on the field isn't an option. There are like 5 teams listed, all better odds than the Jets. Most of these books are in equador or cayman type places. Ya know like where Sar posts from. No bet 

[HighPitch]

1 hour ago, jbt said:

you would have Watson long term and if you draft well with the picks you have left over and use your FA money wisely they can build a team around him in a couple years that can compete for a super bowl.  

pretty much this. not sure why everyone is so against him. every team has a player that get paid

[FidelioJet]

43 minutes ago, derp said:

I’m familiar with the Texans roster. It is old and overpaid. They have like one good player aside from Watson, and $6M in cap space.

That's one better than the Jets.

[bitonti]

30 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

It’s fair that he will most likely stay in Houston, if I was Houston I’d make sure he does. But, if he doesn’t? 6 teams more likely than Jets? No way, Houston needs to draft their future QB and sell them to the fan base. I mean maybe they think the 3rd best QB, leftover QB will do it but I think they need that second slot for optics. I’d say Miami , Carolina and Jets would be the worse the odds should be from the Jets perspective. But at the end of it Houston will keep him and the Jets will make the wrong choice. 

The idea that Houston has to trade him before the 21 nfl draft is an artificial time line. It's possible that Russell Wilson gets out of Seattle before Watson gets free of Houston. The Texans front office are not rational actors and are going to make him earn it. And if he does get out it has to be out of the conference. 

[Dcat]

1 minute ago, HighPitch said:

pretty much this. not sure why everyone is so against him. every team has a player that get paid

Some fans here would rather drastically overpay a mediocre box safety than the most important position in all of professional sports.  It is mind boggling.

[bitonti]

1 minute ago, FidelioJet said:

That's one better than the Jets.

Dude didn't you hear? They are in the running for gritty cerebral coverage sack specialist trey Hendrickson. 

/s

[T0mShane]

2 minutes ago, bitonti said:

To bet on the field isn't an option. There are like 5 teams listed, all better odds than the Jets. Most of these books are in equador or cayman type places. Ya know like where Sar posts from. No bet 

Figures you’d put the needs of Ecuadorian bookmakers over those of sick American kids, but what more can you expect of a Philly DSA member?

[bitonti]

Just now, Dcat said:

Some fans here would rather drastically overpay a mediocre box safety than the most important position in all of professional sports.  It is mind boggling.

When did this become a Marcus maye thread? 

[bitonti]

Just now, T0mShane said:

Figures you’d put the needs of Ecuadorian bookmakers over those of sick American kids, but what more can you expect of a Philly DSA member?

Sigh. Don't make me Google what that means