The Sharps Know Watson Will Be a Jet

[CTM]

52 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Go bet the rent payment if you're so certain 

10 to 1 its free money right 

 

He lives with his mom, 10x of 0 is still 0.

Tell him to wager his computer privileges  

[The Crusher]

3 minutes ago, bitonti said:

The idea that Houston has to trade him before the 21 nfl draft is an artificial time line. It's possible that Russell Wilson gets out of Seattle before Watson gets free of Houston. The Texans front office are not rational actors and are going to make him earn it. And if he does get out it has to be out of the conference. 

Could very well be true. But I still think Texas needs to in the most basic form at least feign some excitement about the next QB. Kinda my point. 

[Bronx]

I'll be conducting my daily meditation. 

[T0mShane]

6 minutes ago, bitonti said:

The idea that Houston has to trade him before the 21 nfl draft is an artificial time line. It's possible that Russell Wilson gets out of Seattle before Watson gets free of Houston. The Texans front office are not rational actors and are going to make him earn it. And if he does get out it has to be out of the conference. 

I would imagine that Caserio, who is by all accounts not an irrational evangelical wingnut, would like a resolution before then

[Philc1]

1 hour ago, neckdemon said:

well so far the texans won't even listen to an offer for watson 

 

Easterby has been listening to voicemails

[chad2coles]

2 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

That's one better than the Jets.

Another terrible take.  The Texans averaged over 31ppg in their 4 wins with Watson throwing for almost 320 yards/game with 12 TD/2 INT and 123 rushing yards.  They don't win any of those games with a Jets QB under center. 

[FidelioJet]

37 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

lessens ≠ removes. Also this ignores how much the QB alone improves this team, as though the position exists in a vacuum.

The Jets are in the perfect position to surrender all that, while they’re sitting on 4 #1s and a high #2 and whatever high pick they can get in return for Darnold, as well as what could easily be upwards of $90MM in cap space. Oh, and it looks like they’re going to give up one of those high picks to retain Darnold anyway, should a Watson trade fail to materialize.

I don’t know yet what the actual pricetag would be, but think it’s overstated how much every draft pick will yield, and worry about the easier task of filling a supporting cast over the harder task of a 25 year-old veteran QB well on his way to being a 1st ballot HOFer (on a discounted contract, no less, with Houston paying his sigining bonus). Never mind he’s available when he’s available, not when one gets to cherry pick a better-desired time. 

The Jets roster is nowhere near “far worse than the Texans” no matter how many times this falsehood is repeated. Houston’s defense was worse, and not just because of injuries. Their OL was worse. They had a better receiving corps for most (but certainly not all) of the season. Given the full cast on offense (starting RB and WRs), despite the record they were still competitive even with that garbage OL, garbage defense, garbage coaching, and the unique team disruption that occurs when trading away a Hopkins type player. And all that’s with a schedule that had 10 playoff opponents on it. FFS they lost 3 games despite scoring over 30 points (two of which with 2/3 of his starting WRs out with injuries or suspensions).

Watson’s severely underrated here, and the difficulty in acquiring the number of players needed to make the Watson-Jets a playoff contender is severely overstated.

In all seriousness I have two real concerns when it comes to bringing in Watson...

1) I don't buy that the Jets are close to a playoff roster as long as they have Watson.  What I saw last year was horrid, horrid football - the team's talent is frighteningly bad.  That's not being fixed by giving up 4 first round picks and $30mm a year to a QB right now.

2) More importably, yet closely tied to #1 is that I see Watson leaving the Jets as soon as possible.  Jets won't be good his first two years and the NY press and fans will get ugly -  he'll be forcing his way out and no way signing an extension.   If I truly thought we would have him for the next decade I would be much more inclined to be excited about this - having the time to build a team around him over the course of the next 3 to 5 year would make me feel more comfortable.  But I don't believe that's the case.  

Lastly, I'm not nearly as high on him as a player as you and most are...

[T0mShane]

12 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Dude didn't you hear? They are in the running for gritty cerebral coverage sack specialist trey Hendrickson. 

/s

<sees the hanging curve and goes deep into the vault>
 

Trey Hendrickson has more sacks over the past two seasons than Dewayne Robertson produced in his whole career.

[FidelioJet]

49 minutes ago, chad2coles said:

This bad take over and over again.

Deshaun Watson will be a discount for the Jets.  Every decent QB that signs a new deal between now and the end of Watson's deal will get paid more than what the Jets would pay Watson.  Dak, Mayfield, Allen, and Jackson are all about to sign bigger contracts than Watson's cap hits would be as a Jet.  In 2022 Cousins, Ryan, Rodgers, Wilson, and Tannehill are already scheduled to be bigger cap hits than Watson's cap hit.  Mahomes has a $500M contract.

Deshaun Watson has the highest completion percentage of all time and the 2nd highest QB rating of all time behind a consistently terrible o-line.

What do other QB deals have to do with the Jets?  You would assume most of those other teams have talent on their roster.  The Jets have none.  

The Jets O-line is worse.  

What the bad take is - is he's a lock to succeed when he's coming off a 4 win season.  

[FidelioJet]

5 minutes ago, chad2coles said:

Another terrible take.  The Texans averaged over 31ppg in their 4 wins with Watson throwing for almost 320 yards/game with 12 TD/2 INT and 123 rushing yards.  They don't win any of those games with a Jets QB under center. 

So the Jets are a 4 win team with Watson?  I disagree, I think the Jets win 6 games with Watson this coming year.

[JustInFudge]

1 hour ago, FidelioJet said:

A weak armed, disgruntled, 4 win QB, coming to the worst roster in the NFL is a disaster waiting to happen. 

 

[JustInFudge]

7 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

In all seriousness I have two real concerns when it comes to bringing in Watson...

1) I don't buy that the Jets are close to a playoff roster as long as they have Watson.  What I saw last year was horrid, horrid football - the team's talent is frighteningly bad.  That's not being fixed by giving up 4 first round picks and $30mm a year to a QB right now.

2) More importably, yet closely tied to #1 is that I see Watson leaving the Jets as soon as possible.  Jets won't be good his first two years and the NY press and fans will get ugly -  he'll be forcing his way out and no way signing an extension.   If I truly thought we would have him for the next decade I would be much more inclined to be excited about this - having the time to build a team around him over the course of the next 3 to 5 year would make me feel more comfortable.  But I don't believe that's the case.  

Lastly, I'm not nearly as high on him as a player as you and most are...

[bitonti]

2 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

<sees the hanging curve and goes deep into the vault>
 

Trey Hendrickson has more sacks over the past two seasons than Dewayne Robertson produced in his whole career.

 

Yeh if drob played with cam Jordan he could have been a contender 

I do not mind a drob conversation. We've all learned a lot since 2003. Regrets? Yeah I wish I bought bitcoin too. That one should have been easy it was named after me

Much like how proving Sam Darnold is terrible has nothing to do with the evaluation of Zach wilson, Proving drob sucks has nothing to do with proving trey Hendrickson is a good fa. 

Trey Hendrickson is amazing as long as someone else is doing the heavy lifting. Future highest paid NYJ, everyone 

[Philc1]

If nutcase Easterby is willing to accept a semi reasonable offer like both Seattle firsts plus Sam sure

[Philc1]

1 minute ago, bitonti said:

 

Yeh if drob played with cam Jordan he could have been a contender 

I do not mind a drob conversation. We've all learned a lot since 2003. Regrets? Yeah I wish I bought bitcoin too. That one should have been easy it was named after me

Much like how proving Sam Darnold is terrible has nothing to do with the evaluation of Zach wilson, Proving drob sucks has nothing to do with proving trey Hendrickson is a good fa. 

Trey Hendrickson is amazing as long as someone else is doing the heavy lifting. Future highest paid NYJ, everyone 

What do you think of the QB version of DRob Zach Wilson?

[JustInFudge]

56 minutes ago, chad2coles said:

Deshaun Watson has the highest completion percentage of all time and the 2nd highest QB rating of all time behind a consistently terrible o-line.

Watson sucks, Russ sucks, Fields sucks and Trevor Lawrence is overrated

but Zach Wilson?  That's the savior!!!

 

[peebag]

58 minutes ago, Greenbloodblitz said:

Let me add that when you put all your eggs in one basket, if we give up all that capital and all that pay to DeShawn let's just say he blows out a knee or has a high ankle sprain.

He won't be elevating anything around him except his leg and we'll be totally f*****.

You forget our secret weapon:

Love.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No, wait, it's James Morgan.  yea, yea, yea,  that's the ticket.

[chad2coles]

10 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

What do other QB deals have to do with the Jets?  You would assume most of those other teams have talent on their roster.  The Jets have none.  

The Jets O-line is worse.  

What the bad take is - is he's a lock to succeed when he's coming off a 4 win season.  

Characterizing Watson as a 4 win QB is just trolling.  He went 3-3 as a 22 year old rookie before getting hurt and his team won 1 game the rest of the year.  The next 2 years he went 21-10 and won 2 division titles.  Last year the Texans were a dumpster fire.  They fired their coach after 4 games.  No QB was going to have a winning season with the problems they had there last year.  You obviously don't understand the value Watson adds to a football team.

[Patriot Killa]

15 minutes ago, JiF said:

Watson sucks, Russ sucks, Fields sucks and Trevor Lawrence is overrated

but Zach Wilson?  That's the savior!!!

 

So stupid. I’m a Wilson fan and I don’t think any of those guys suck. Stop fishing out a narrative for groups of posters. No one else believes this. Not even @FidelioJet

[chad2coles]

13 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

So the Jets are a 4 win team with Watson?  I disagree, I think the Jets win 6 games with Watson this coming year.

You disagree with a claim that you came up with?  The Jets could compete for a playoff spot next year with Watson on the team if the rest of the offseason goes well.

[Beerfish]

10 minutes ago, chad2coles said:

Characterizing Watson as a 4 win QB is just trolling.  He went 3-3 as a 22 year old rookie before getting hurt and his team won 1 game the rest of the year.  The next 2 years he went 21-10 and won 2 division titles.  Last year the Texans were a dumpster fire.  They fired their coach after 4 games.  No QB was going to have a winning season with the problems they had there last year.  You obviously don't understand the value Watson adds to a football team.

Wut?  His team won 4 games and thus he is a 4 win QB.

He proved that on a talent poor roster he could put up nice stats and lose.

with the NY Jets he will put up nice stats and lose.

[T0mShane]

2 minutes ago, chad2coles said:

You disagree with a claim that you came up with?  The Jets could compete for a playoff spot next year with Watson on the team if the rest of the offseason goes well.

The idea that the Jets will suck with Watson only plays out if you believe that both Saleh and Douglas are outright terrible at their jobs, and if you think that, no amount of draft picks or any milquetoast wonderbread rookie QB is going to fix that.

[SoFlaJets]

I had a dream yesterday during my late afternoon nap (it's an old person thing) that I read a headline that said: DeShaun Watson Traded to Jets. I have these kind of shining moments, some of you guys might remember my Revis flash/vision/dream during his hold out when i told you guys that I saw myself watching an opening day MNF TV screen of Revis in a Jets uniform against The Ravens I think it was and it turned out to be true, so...take it for what it's worth.

[T0mShane]

2 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

with the NY Jets he will put up nice stats and lose.

As opposed to what, say, Zack Wilson and the 23rd overall pick would do, which is dominate.

[Fantasy Island]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

Are you describing Deshaun Watson or the entitled wee lad from the Mormon Tabernacle Choir? 

Why can't we have both?

[FidelioJet]

3 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

As opposed to what, say, Zack Wilson and the 23rd overall pick would do, which is dominate.

and $90mm in cap space and 2 more first round picks next year.

Yes.  That is the better option.

[T0mShane]

Just now, FidelioJet said:

and $90mm in cap space and 2 more first round picks next year.

Yes.  That is the better option.

I will take the ~$60 million in cap space, the remaining first round pick, and the 26-year old franchise QB next year package instead, thx.

[Beerfish]

5 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

As opposed to what, say, Zack Wilson and the 23rd overall pick would do, which is dominate.

If that is the deal, and you have quoted it twice now.  Then the NY Jets should trade for Deshaun Watson.

[T0mShane]

3 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

If that is the deal, and you have quoted it twice now.  Then the NY Jets should trade for Deshaun Watson.

You KNOW what I think the deal will be.

[FidelioJet]

41 minutes ago, JiF said:

Watson sucks, Russ sucks, Fields sucks and Trevor Lawrence is overrated

but Zach Wilson?  That's the savior!!!

 

All things being equal I would rank it this way...

Watson - get him for #2 and #23 (or a one next year) I'm in.

Lawrence - I do think he's overrated but clearly the best college prospect

Wilson - great talent that has a skill-set perfectly suited for today's NFL and the system in which he'll be asked to play

Fields - I like Fields a lot, I think he'll actually be better early than Wilson as his legs will help carry him through the learning curve.  Has massive potential if he can put it together

Russ - Great player - too old to be joining the current Jets roster (3 years ago he would be #1 on this list)

[chad2coles]

22 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Wut?  His team won 4 games and thus he is a 4 win QB.

He proved that on a talent poor roster he could put up nice stats and lose.

with the NY Jets he will put up nice stats and lose.

Every QB in the league is a 4 win QB or worse if you are going to use the situation Watson was put in last year to describe them.  Mahomes, Rodgers, no one was winning in Houston last year with the problems they had.

[undertow]

[Snell41]

The Day after the Dodgers signed Kirk Gibson I bet $100 at like 99-1 the Dodgers would win the World Series.  I doubled down at like 3-1 the Dodgers would beat the Mets in the NL playoffs and again doubled down at 7-1 the Dodgers would beat the A's in the '88 Series.
This would be a similar bet. 
Someone might be willing to put a small amount on this but the Jets have nowhere near the talent level the Dodgers had that year.
Even if the Jets get Watson this is a foolish bet.

So you made $210k?


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[chad2coles]

16 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

and $90mm in cap space and 2 more first round picks next year.

Yes.  That is the better option.

The cap space plays in your scenario with Wilson, but the cap space the Jets have to spend with Watson on the team can't help them.  The most valuable asset the Jets give up in trading for Watson is the #2 pick, which you spend on Wilson.

Watson and $80M in cap space this year is better than Wilson, $90M in cap space, #34 this year and a 1st round pick in '22 and '23.

[chad2coles]

1 minute ago, Snell41 said:

 

So you made $210k?


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No he made a story about making $210k.