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5 hours ago, The Crusher said:

This sounds fine until Watson ends up a Dolphin. The Belicheck gets a young QB and turns him into a good game manager. Bills have Josh Allen.  We march San Darnold out again! Nothing new just SOJ. 

I'd rather return to the Chateau d'If than sit through a season of that. I won't do it.

@Jetsfan80 will join me there, I'm sure.

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I'm sure some of you will read this and immediately think I don't know what I'm talking about.  This post isn't meant for you. You are the sheep. This post is meant for those that don't follow the adv

Officially reached the point where I'm rooting for Wilson to be the pick purely out of spite

All of these dicks are bums Jets fans have quickly pivoted from thinking that Lawrence is the savior, to then missing out on him and trying to convince themselves that there are no less than 3-4

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1 hour ago, neckdemon said:

I dont see Douglad going Qb. I see him taking bap or trading down. Lawrence was only qb that was bap 

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I find that quote interesting in that he said he needs everything except QB.

OL, DL, Pass rushers, guys that cover well, explosive playmakers...

He left out QB.  When in reality QB is pretty much the only thing that matters.

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3 hours ago, neckdemon said:

lol joe flacco looked fine? he didn't win a single game, he averaged like 200 yds/game and like 15 points per game. i can't take you seriously if you think flacco looked just fine. the talent on the chargers is so much better than the jest that its laughable. i'm not even sure any of our guys, including crowder, gets on the field for them

177...Flacco was bad.

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1 hour ago, neckdemon said:

First, no one is trading a 1st rounder for Darnold. Especially not if the jets take a qb at 2. They wont have any leverage in negotiations since they'll basically need to trade darnold at that point. 

Second, its been reported that a team that called about darnold got the strong impression that he wont be dealt.

The trade would happen before the Jets draft at #2.  It's not like there's any risk on the Jets' end in that regard.

And I pay no heed to any reports, rumors or rumblings at this point of the year.  It's not called the 'lying season' for nothing.

As to whether a team would pay a 1st rounder.  Like I said, if the alternative is going into the season with Nick Foles and/or Marcus Mariota (see the Bears), they may decide to get a little frisky.

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41 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

I find that quote interesting in that he said he needs everything except QB.

OL, DL, Pass rushers, guys that cover well, explosive playmakers...

He left out QB.  When in reality QB is pretty much the only thing that matters.

There is the distinct possibility they think darnold has the ability to be the guy

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2 hours ago, neckdemon said:

It does when you have decided the qb you have is better than the ones you can draft

And what if your evaluation is wrong and one of the QBs you could’ve drafted looks like Justin Herbert? How do you explain to ownership why you passed on that guy to run it back one more year with a QB who will likely be a free agent in 2022? 

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2 minutes ago, GreekJet said:

And what if your evaluation is wrong and one of the QBs you could’ve drafted looks like Justin Herbert? How do you explain to ownership why you passed on that guy to run it back one more year with a QB who will likely be a free agent in 2022? 

I can play the what if game. What if you trade Darnold and draft Wilson and then Wilson sucks?? Meanwhile Darnold lights it up and leads his new team to the championships?? Hiw do you explain to ownership that you traded your FQB, wasted the #2 pick on a bust and sent the team back a couple more years??

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23 hours ago, heymangold said:

Listen I’m no scout, I go off people I trust that analyze players.  Connor Rogers is a guy I like and he has Wilson as QB2.  He also has said that this draft has superstar potential for up to 4 QBs. He is high on Lawrence, Wilson, Fields and Lance.  Lawrence is most likely going to Jacksonville, so that gives the choice of fields or Wilson.  I’m still torn on the 2, I honestly can’t make my mind up.

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1 hour ago, neckdemon said:

There is the distinct possibility they think darnold has the ability to be the guy

I honestly think it is entirely illogical to keep Darnold.  Makes little sense, but you are right in the sense that I don't think we really know a whole lot about JD.  We don't know the way he intends to build a team.  We know what he says, but that means very little.

We'll know a lot more soon.

I would still be shocked if they kept Darnold, but I've been wrong before.

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11 hours ago, JTJet said:

You watched JUST the pass plays... and you're telling ME that I am not looking at the whole picture. Not sure if you're being serious or not here.

Everything I mentioned matters in an evaluation of a successful player, especially a QB. I flat out said he had a mediocre game, it's the intangible aspects that you need to watch happen and take the whole thing into context along with the play. 

That is something you have not done since you quickly YouTubed just his passing plays. 

When evaluating a QBs play against another team should I be looking at his defense and his handoffs? I’m actually asking you seriously what else you would look at in evaluating his play in a singular game other than the snaps where he passed and or ran the ball himself. 
 

The other stuff is a lot less relevant in my opinion. Fields can’t control what the big ten does with its conference play. Despite his less than ideal schedule he played tougher defense albeit with better skill players. Nonetheless his physical attributes have to be up to par to compete in a bigger conference so that is a plus. 
 

I never really got a chance to mention this cause we got into debating fields v Wilson, but the original post is ridiculous. 
 

Zach Wilson is in no way a bum. I just think fields is definitively a better prospect coming out. He’s the guy I take a chance on if I can’t get my top two. He had a great year and definitely shows some potential. 

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14 hours ago, FidelioJet said:

If we're really making the list or reason's why not to draft him here's just a few I've heard around here...

1) He's Mormon

2) He's looks like a girl (I've actually heard him called a Fairy)

3) He's on medication

4) He wasn't a captain (lie)

5) He likes the Beach Boys

6) He's rich

7) He's soft

And that's just the start - None of those have ANYTHING to do with football or are entirely made up...Yet I've read them over and over again on JetNation.

 

He’s got a long list of injuries and he’s only 21

 

That body isn’t holding up in the NFL

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3 hours ago, Philc1 said:

He’s got a long list of injuries and he’s only 21

 

That body isn’t holding up in the NFL

He’s has a thumb injury in his three years of starting QB College. That’s it in his entire college career.  
For which he missed a total of three games - that’s it for his entire college career. 
Him being injury prone or “long list of injuries” is simply a false narrative created by JetNation  


 

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50 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

He had one thumb injury in his three years of starting QB College. That’s it for his entire college career.  

For which he missed a total of three games - that’s it for his entire college career. 

Him being injury prone or “long list of injuries” is simply a false narrative created by JetNation  


 

 

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59 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

He’s has a thumb injury in his three years of starting QB College. That’s it in his entire college career.  
For which he missed a total of three games - that’s it for his entire college career. 
Him being injury prone or “long list of injuries” is simply a false narrative created by JetNation  


 

He had two shoulder injuries. At least one of which was in college. 

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5 minutes ago, TheMo said:

He had two shoulder injuries. At least one of which was in college. 

It was an elective surgery, after his freshman year of college, that was from a high school injury.  He didn't miss a game due to it.

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18 hours ago, JTJet said:

If that's how it actually went down, it would have been a much bigger story than you claim, no matter how much the NFL tried to keep it quiet. Its 2021 and you think some rando twitter or insider had a scoop of that magnitude and nobody else ran with it? 

Give me 3 verified sources that supported that conspiracy theory and I will change my mind. 

I got it from an individual that has been around the game for 50+ years.  This person was a div 1 college assistant coach and knows a lot of people around the game including former coaches and assistant coaches of the Jets.  NO WAY can I list his name in a public forum.  

The Jets did not start the 2020 season with any intention of taking.  That plan came to life around game 5 when a lot of the player sell-offs took place.  Trevor Lawrence was not even a consideration until then.  It went from being a possibility to a very attractive and attainable goal.  A goal that that was adopted at the very top and went down to include the GM, HC and DC.  Though in the case of HC and DC, it was under protest.  The players were not asked to play below their best at any time, but EVERYONE on the roster knew what was going on. 

After the Raiders game, the league was tipped off by a disgruntled Jet insider.  

The Jets brass was warned by the league office that any tangible proof of throwing the season from a connected source could and would result in a scandal and forfeiture of that coveted draft choice they were scheming for.  

The league management itself was not partial to any of this, but there was pressure being put on the league suits by several NFL owners that din't want the Jets and Johnson to walk off with Trevor Lawrence, the best QB prospect since Peyton Manning or perhaps ever.

And then, the winning started.  

That's how the Jets lost control of their position to draft first overall.  

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9 minutes ago, THE BARON said:

After the Raiders game, the league was tipped off by a disgruntled Jet insider. 

The story falls apart right here. 

This comes from the notion that the Jets were intentionally trying to tank the Raiders game, the game they were set to win until the last 5 seconds, except for a 50 yard miracle TD. 

If a team is attempting to tank even without the players being told, they arent setting it up and waiting until 5 seconds left, then hoping a mediocre QB makes a fantastic throw and a mediocre WR makes a fantastic catch. The probability of that is insane. 

Again, if ANY verified people ANYWHERE talked about this conspiracy theory, I might believe you. 

This is simply nonsense. 

Not to mention the chain of events that would follow, so the conversation would go...

League - "Hey you guys are intentionally losing, stop it" 

Jets - "Yep, you caught us, sorry"

League - "You better win some games now as punishment, oh and your next 3 games are against playoff teams" 

Jets- "We're led by Adam Gase, we can go 2-1 against three playoff teams, no sweat" 

Occams razor man. The Jets just had two good weeks while the Rams/Browns didnt. That simple. 

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41 minutes ago, JTJet said:

The story falls apart right here. 

This comes from the notion that the Jets were intentionally trying to tank the Raiders game, the game they were set to win until the last 5 seconds, except for a 50 yard miracle TD. 

If a team is attempting to tank even without the players being told, they arent setting it up and waiting until 5 seconds left, then hoping a mediocre QB makes a fantastic throw and a mediocre WR makes a fantastic catch. The probability of that is insane. 

And what defense did the DC call on that 50 yard TD and why did he call it ???  Or more to the point, why was he forced to call it ???

Believe what you want.  

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3 minutes ago, THE BARON said:

And what defense did the DC call on that 50 yard TD and why did he call it ???  Or more to the point, why was he forced to call it ???

Believe what you want.  

The same aggressive defense he called all the time, and he called it because if it succeeded they would have won. 

It didnt succeeed. They lost. Gambled big. Lost big. 

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7 minutes ago, THE BARON said:

And what defense did the DC call on that 50 yard TD and why did he call it ???  Or more to the point, why was he forced to call it ???

Believe what you want.  

And more for you, here on the Raiders Game...

https://raiderswire.usatoday.com/2020/12/06/prevailing-conspiracy-theory-among-nfl-minds-that-jets-threw-the-game-vs-raiders/

https://larrybrownsports.com/football/boomer-esiason-emmanuel-acho-accuse-jets-of-throwing-game/569341

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2020/12/raiders-jets-derek-carr-stunned-by-defensive-call

They threw the game... 

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1 minute ago, JTJet said:

The same aggressive defense he called all the time, and he called it because if it succeeded they would have won. 

It didnt succeeed. They lost. Gambled big. Lost big. 

Wrong.  They offense gave up the ball and then GW was forced to call cover zero.  And if that didn't work, there would have been a defensive penalty committed to extend the Raiders drive. 

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2 hours ago, THE BARON said:

Wrong.  They offense gave up the ball and then GW was forced to call cover zero.  And if that didn't work, there would have been a defensive penalty committed to extend the Raiders drive. 

You're living in a what if fantasy land. 

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11 minutes ago, JTJet said:

You're living in a what if fantasy land. 

 If you are not inclined to believe the obvious, it must mean the rest of us need another layer of tin foil on our hats.  

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22 minutes ago, THE BARON said:

 If you are not inclined to believe the obvious, it must mean the rest of us need another layer of tin foil on our hats.  

The obvious is that the Jets just lost the game because they sucked. 

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5 hours ago, THE BARON said:

Wrong.  They offense gave up the ball and then GW was forced to call cover zero.  And if that didn't work, there would have been a defensive penalty committed to extend the Raiders drive. 

Dude he has called that defense his whole career. Zero blitzing to force the stop is what Greg Williams does for better or in this particular instance for worse. 

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21 hours ago, FidelioJet said:

He’s has a thumb injury in his three years of starting QB College. That’s it in his entire college career.  
For which he missed a total of three games - that’s it for his entire college career. 
Him being injury prone or “long list of injuries” is simply a false narrative created by JetNation  


 

You conveniently left out the torn labrum in his throwing shoulder.  Wilson has another torn labrum in his other shoulder that he even admits will also need surgery

 

Wilson is an egg.  He will be a catastrophic draft pick for us

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20 hours ago, FidelioJet said:

It was an elective surgery, after his freshman year of college, that was from a high school injury.  He didn't miss a game due to it.

It was “elective” in that if he elected not to get the surgery he would have had to quit playing football 

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1 hour ago, Philc1 said:

You conveniently left out the torn labrum in his throwing shoulder.  Wilson has another torn labrum in his other shoulder that he even admits will also need surgery

 

Wilson is an egg.  He will be a catastrophic draft pick for us

Actually. I didn’t. Those injuries happened in high school.  He got hurt in high school. 
he’s not injury prone.  

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1 hour ago, Philc1 said:

It was “elective” in that if he elected not to get the surgery he would have had to quit playing football 

Just not true and once again another fallacy created on JetNation. 
 

High school injury for which he played D1 college football as a starting QB his freshman year (and didn’t miss a game).
And at the end of the season he decided to have the surgery as he thought it was best for his long term career.  He didn’t miss a game due to it or even camp the next year. 
 He absolutely could have rested it and been ready to play his sophomore year. He elected to have the surgery. 

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On 3/3/2021 at 9:12 AM, Philc1 said:

He’s got a long list of injuries and he’s only 21

 

That body isn’t holding up in the NFL

This is my #1 concern with Wilson. Without the combine, it's going to be tough to get official height and weight on him. But he does look small and slight. And the past shoulder injuries are definitely an issue.

Plus, and this is a very personal view, he runs funny. I'm sorry, but he does. Kind up upright while leaning back, sort of like a rooster. It just looks weird. So I'm reluctant to pick him just because of that.

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36 minutes ago, mrcoops said:

This is my #1 concern with Wilson. Without the combine, it's going to be tough to get official height and weight on him. But he does look small and slight. And the past shoulder injuries are definitely an issue.

Plus, and this is a very personal view, he runs funny. I'm sorry, but he does. Kind up upright while leaning back, kind of like a rooster. It just looks weird. So I'm reluctant to pick him just because of that.

That's a new one - I'll add that to the list.

I know, It's getting tougher and tougher to find problems.  

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