Joe Douglas on Sam Darnold: "If calls are made, I will answer"

[BROOKLYN JET]

Mum is the word.

[JohnnyLV]

1 hour ago, Greensleeves said:

Exactly. You don't say you'll listen to trade offers for your QB and keep him. It's insulting to the player. He will be traded - hopefully JD can fleece a team for their lower #1 or a #2 and #4 type of deal.

I actually prefer a first round swap. We could move up into the 8-12 range with Sam and #23. Team trading does not lose a first rounder, we get a second premium player.

[JohnnyLV]

Lekas and Weis were kind of killing Douglas today saying Joe was talking out of both sides of his mouth and lost leverage in what we can get for Sam.

[GodDamnSnack]

38 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

Lekas and Weis were kind of killing Douglas today saying Joe was talking out of both sides of his mouth and lost leverage in what we can get for Sam.

If Lekas and Weis knew anything about negotiations, they wouldnt be covering the Jets ?

[genot]

2 hours ago, Greensleeves said:

Exactly. You don't say you'll listen to trade offers for your QB and keep him. It's insulting to the player. He will be traded - hopefully JD can fleece a team for their lower #1 or a #2 and #4 type of deal.

He didn't say he'd listen to trade offers. He said he'd take the call. Just like he did last year with QW. 

[Integrity28]

Could this be a motivational tactic?

 

[Integrity28]

26 minutes ago, genot said:

He didn't say he'd listen to trade offers. He said he'd take the call. Just like he did last year with QW. 

Same as Jamal, right. Except Jamal was the one that has spent a couple years acting like like JD shoved a bulldozer up his pussy because if it.

[Fantasy Island]

19 hours ago, sec101row23 said:

We all know Sam is gone, Its just a matter of what the compensation will be.  

3rd rounder this year and a 2nd rounder next year that can become a 1st rounder if he starts 70 percent of the games.

[DoubleDown]

1 hour ago, Ghost420 said:

This is a horrible strategy. Either you think Darnold is worth keeping or you don't. You don't let other teams make the decision for you. 

How is that making other teams make the decision for you?

Jets have made the decision that they are comfortable moving forward with Darnold, but as with most players in the NFL, he is expendable at a certain price.  The Jets are in the rare position that they are guaranteed to land one of their top two quarterbacks in the draft if they choose to go in that direction.

[Beerfish]

Douglas is a smart GM.

He wants to trade Darnold and will do so if a decent offer comes in but he is not going to give him away cheap and there is zero reason to do so even if we draft a QB at #2 this year or sign a FA QB.

[genot]

28 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

Same as Jamal, right. Except Jamal was the one that has spent a couple years acting like like JD shoved a bulldozer up his pussy because if it.

I don't even think Darnold has a twitter account.. That QB guru said Sam is happy with his 5 or 6 friends hanging out at home or the beach 

[genot]

2 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Douglas is a smart GM.

He wants to trade Darnold and will do so if a decent offer comes in but he is not going to give him away cheap and there is zero reason to do so even if we draft a QB at #2 this year or sign a FA QB.

Ii read a story a few weeks ago, that a few teams have called, and came away with the impression that they don't want to move him.It's in the Jet's best interest to let QB needy teams believe that they will move Sam. Means we draft the QB they might want. If you really want, what we want Panthers. PAY THE PRICE. That's what i thinks going on Beerfish

[ZachEY]

20 hours ago, sec101row23 said:

what the compensation will be.  

The pleasure and competitive advantage of no longer having the worst QB in the league as your starter?

[Biggs]

I read this to mean nobody is calling.  Please someone call, anyone, hello!

[Jetsfan80]

41 minutes ago, DoubleDown said:

How is that making other teams make the decision for you?

Jets have made the decision that they are comfortable moving forward with Darnold, but as with most players in the NFL, he is expendable at a certain price.  The Jets are in the rare position that they are guaranteed to land one of their top two quarterbacks in the draft if they choose to go in that direction.

That's what they're saying publicly in an attempt to keep his trade value strong.  It absolute is not set in stone that this is a decision they're comfortable with.  

[ZachEY]

19 hours ago, genot said:

Thank you. To me it's a much greater risk using that high a pick on those two QB's. If they bust, Douglas is done. If you look at Darnold's sophomore year at USC, he was very impressive. He took a dump the following season when JuJu got drafted and he had 4 new offensive lineman blocking for him. USC was not a very talented offensive squad. His best WR was Deontay Burnett. Why is it inconcievable to some people that with nore talent around him, and a system that fits him he can't take that big leap foward, the way he took that big leap backward because of diminished talent his last year at USC.

Why is this more likely than what's happened with literally every USC QB not named Carson Palmer?  Isn't it more likely that he was bellied by his superior talent in his junior year, and then when he wasn't on a great team with inferior opponents, we saw who he truly was?  Isn't the most likely outcome that he's another Lienart, Sanchez, Barkley, Cassel, who looked good at USC with great talent and then were pedestrian or worse in the NFL.

[Warfish]

1 hour ago, Integrity28 said:

Could this be a motivational tactic?

I would certainly hope so.  

[ZachEY]

Does anyone even answer the phone anymore, by the way?

If Douglas were telling the truth, he'd send that sh*t straight to voicemail, then listen to it, and then decide if he's calling back.

[genot]

27 minutes ago, TeddEY said:

Why is this more likely than what's happened with literally every USC QB not named Carson Palmer?  Isn't it more likely that he was bellied by his superior talent in his junior year, and then when he wasn't on a great team with inferior opponents, we saw who he truly was?  Isn't the most likely outcome that he's another Lienart, Sanchez, Barkley, Cassel, who looked good at USC with great talent and then were pedestrian or worse in the NFL.

You could be right. But saying that the most likely outcome is that Darnold is another Barkley or Sanchez is just guesswork. I think evaluating Sam the last two years is very difficult considering what we've all talked about now for months. 

[ZachEY]

9 minutes ago, genot said:

You could be right. But saying that the most likely outcome is that Darnold is another Barkley or Sanchez is just guesswork. I think evaluating Sam the last two years is very difficult considering what we've all talked about now for months. 

It's not guesswork, as the only available evidence is that Sam Darnold was good with superior talent for one season (despite still throwing a high number of INTs for his situation), and has been bad without it.  We have 5 years of football to look at, and in 5 years of football, he looks like every other USC QB not named Palmer.  Good with great talent, hapless without it - and this extends beyond the last two years with Gase.

[Philc1]

45 minutes ago, TeddEY said:

Does anyone even answer the phone anymore, by the way?

If Douglas were telling the truth, he'd send that sh*t straight to voicemail, then listen to it, and then decide if he's calling back.

This soundbyte sounds like JD sending a message to Seattle and Houston that Sam is part of a possible package

[ZachEY]

9 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

This soundbyte sounds like JD sending a message to Seattle and Houston that Sam is part of a possible package

Why would either team want Darnold?

Either one would be looking for #2 to bring in a new QB.

[Philc1]

2 minutes ago, TeddEY said:

Why would either team want Darnold?

Either one would be looking for #2 to bring in a new QB.

Either team if they are smart would want Sewell or Pitts at 2

[Integrity28]

57 minutes ago, TeddEY said:

Does anyone even answer the phone anymore, by the way?

If Douglas were telling the truth, he'd send that sh*t straight to voicemail, then listen to it, and then decide if he's calling back.

No. There hasn’t been a reason to answer the phone since I stopped being single.

[doitny]

5 hours ago, section314 said:

Great take,totally agree. As I"ve posted a few times in various threads, JD was on Michael Kay in early January. In response to a question about how important the Senior Bowl, Combine and Pro Day process is in evaluating players, he said that about 90% of all the resume's are already done by the scouts. Unless something horrible comes out when they meet these kids in person, they already know who their guy is if they take a QB.

he also said on TMKS that Sams contract does matter. that 5th year option just might be Sams final nail in the coffin. 

[section314]

14 minutes ago, doitny said:

he also said on TMKS that Sams contract does matter. that 5th year option just might be Sams final nail in the coffin. 

Remember that too. Good point.

[ZachEY]

26 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

Either team if they are smart would want Sewell or Pitts at 2

Neither team is trading their franchise QB for the worst QB in the league and a lineman or tight end.

[Joe W. Namath]

45 minutes ago, TeddEY said:

Neither team is trading their franchise QB for the worst QB in the league and a lineman or tight end.

HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA.  Could you imagine any other fanbase clamoring to bring back the worst qb in the nfl?????  Only jet fans.  

Good thing we have 2 smart individuals in Douglas the the bald beast who would fold up the franchise before ever playing another game with Sam Darnold as the qb.

[genot]

1 hour ago, TeddEY said:

It's not guesswork, as the only available evidence is that Sam Darnold was good with superior talent for one season (despite still throwing a high number of INTs for his situation), and has been bad without it.  We have 5 years of football to look at, and in 5 years of football, he looks like every other USC QB not named Palmer.  Good with great talent, hapless without it - and this extends beyond the last two years with Gase.

Sam didn't have great talent at any time he was the QB. He threw for 31 tds with 9 interception. Not too shabby. Barkley was a 4th rd pick. Obviously he had some limitations coming out of USC. Sanchez was only a starter for 1 year. When he got drafted, he decided to be New Yorks most eligible bachelor, and model. Im not saying, give Sam more talent, and he,ll be great. Im saying it's very hard to know what.he could be, because of everything he's had to deal with the last two years.

[genot]

2 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA.  Could you imagine any other fanbase clamoring to bring back the worst qb in the nfl?????  Only jet fans.  

Good thing we have 2 smart individuals in Douglas the the bald beast who would fold up the franchise before ever playing another game with Sam Darnold as the qb.

Your hitting the bottle again Joe. Your right. Douglas and Saleh are very smart. Please don't count your chickens before they hatch.

[Savage69]

1 hour ago, Integrity28 said:

No. There hasn’t been a reason to answer the phone since I stopped being single.

And she is a beauty 

[Larz]

Yup just like the Texans won’t trade Watson. You have to put the appropriate public spin on it 

the simplest explanation is probably that JD has a price in mind and nobody has met it yet 

[ZachEY]

8 minutes ago, genot said:

Sam didn't have great talent at any time he was the QB. He threw for 31 tds with 9 interception. Not too shabby. Barkley was a 4th rd pick. Obviously he had some limitations coming out of USC. Sanchez was only a starter for 1 year. When he got drafted, he decided to be New Yorks most eligible bachelor, and model. Im not saying, give Sam more talent, and he,ll be great. Im saying it's very hard to know what.he could be, because of everything he's had to deal with the last two years.

It's really not that hard, because he doesn't look like a good QB limited by his surroundings.  He looks like a QB who's taken a bad situation and made it much worse.

[genot]

18 minutes ago, TeddEY said:

It's really not that hard, because he doesn't look like a good QB limited by his surroundings.  He looks like a QB who's taken a bad situation and made it much worse.

I respect your intelligence. What your saying though is impossible to quantify. So many variables involved. It's just very very hard to know this 

[joewilly12]

JD since he made this announcement.