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9 hours ago, T0mShane said:

I suffered through it so you don’t have to.

1. He loves Zack Wilson and thinks he’ll be elite.It'

2. He thinks it’s inevitable that Watson gets traded this offseason. 

When Zach Wilson has a worse first 3 years then Sam, do you think people will blame Saleh and Lafleur or weapons?

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9 minutes ago, JiF said:

When Zach Wilson has a worse first 3 years then Sam, do you think people will blame Saleh and Lafleur or weapons?

“Douglas didn’t do enough to support Zack Wilson/You can’t predict injuries/Should of [sic] signed Robby Anderson.”

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2 hours ago, JiF said:

When Zach Wilson has a worse first 3 years then Sam, do you think people will blame Saleh and Lafleur or weapons?

As a Fields guy myself I totally disagree with this, Zach >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sam and it’s not even close 

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2 hours ago, JiF said:

When Zach Wilson has a worse first 3 years then Sam, do you think people will blame Saleh and Lafleur or weapons?

Nope.  Like every previous time where derpy fans hyped up this guy or that, they'll just move on to the next hypetrain, and pretend they "knew all along" X was going to bust.

Hell, we have hundreds of former Sam if God posters who now pretend they doubted him all along, it's hilarious how little people own their obvious mistakes in fan communities.

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14 minutes ago, section314 said:

They are owned by CBS, I believe. After the Les Moonves episode, CBS has taken Identity stuff to another level. I'll leave it at that.

She’s terrible, but the identity thing doesn’t explain all the other horrific programming choices on that station. It’s all terrible white dudes who suck

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12 hours ago, GreekJet said:

 

First off, Nothing Chris Simms says will ever get me pumped up. I happen to be a Wilson fan, but to say there is a gap between him and lawrence, with Wilson being superior, is just plain stupid. It actually makes me question my own assessment of Wilson!

 

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5 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

She’s terrible, but the identity thing doesn’t explain all the other horrific programming choices on that station. It’s all terrible white dudes who suck

Good point. I honestly don't see how they are still in business. But when ESPN keeps trotting out Keyshon, Greenie and Max Kellerman on a daily basis, they definitely are getting a lifeline.

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8 minutes ago, section314 said:

Good point. I honestly don't see how they are still in business. But when ESPN keeps trotting out Keyshon, Greenie and Max Kellerman on a daily basis, they definitely are getting a lifeline.

That Keyshawn show is DOA. Worst thing I’ve ever heard. I think they moved that DiPietro show to 5a so they can slide that into the morning drive slot when they fire Keyshawn. 

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3 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

That Keyshawn show is DOA. Worst thing I’ve ever heard. I think they moved that DiPietro show to 5a so they can slide that into the morning drive slot when they fire Keyshawn. 

May be in the minority here, but I like those guys together. Especially like Dave Rothenberg on Saturdays.

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10 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

That Keyshawn show is DOA. Worst thing I’ve ever heard. I think they moved that DiPietro show to 5a so they can slide that into the morning drive slot when they fire Keyshawn. 

You don’t like the awesome grouping of Keyshawn, J Will, and Zubin??

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3 hours ago, JiF said:

When Zach Wilson has a worse first 3 years then Sam, do you think people will blame Saleh and Lafleur or weapons?

 

3 hours ago, T0mShane said:

“Douglas didn’t do enough to support Zack Wilson/You can’t predict injuries/Should of [sic] signed Robby Anderson.”

SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTHS!!!

This time it will be different!

#Zach'sNotAHack

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1 minute ago, section314 said:

Not quite KD, Kyrie and Harden.😁

Like, who at ESPN actually thought “hmm, these guys could be a good team.” My guess is they’re just punting the 6-8am window on ESPN2 because they know no one will watch anyway. 

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1 hour ago, Warfish said:

Nope.  Like every previous time where derpy fans hyped up this guy or that, they'll just move on to the next hypetrain, and pretend they "knew all along" X was going to bust.

Hell, we have hundreds of former Sam if God posters who now pretend they doubted him all along, it's hilarious how little people own their obvious mistakes in fan communities.

I’m not sure what you would like people to do? Make a thread for it?

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5 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

I’m not sure what you would like people to do? Make a thread for it?

Don't need them to do anything except to be honest, with themselves and the rest of us.  We all get stuff wrong, sometimes badly wrong, it's not a sin that needs hidden or covered up.  That, and maybe learn from your previous superhype misjudgments once in a while?

It's hard to have a reasonable debate with a poster about this draft class knowing they were huge hypemasters for Darnold, Hackenberg, Geno Smith, Sanchez, etc.  And make no mistake, we have posters who called every one of those guys "elite franchise QB's/prospects" at one point or another.

Temper fan(aticism) with just little objectivity and logic, is all I'd ask.  It'd make the quality of discussion here much better.

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6 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Don't need them to do anything except to be honest, with themselves and the rest of us.  We all get stuff wrong, sometimes badly wrong, it's not a sin that needs hidden or covered up.  That, and maybe learn from your previous superhype misjudgments once in a while?

It's hard to have a reasonable debate with a poster about this draft class knowing they were huge hypemasters for Darnold, Hackenberg, Geno Smith, Sanchez, etc.  And make no mistake, we have posters who called every one of those guys "elite franchise QB's/prospects" at one point or another.

Temper fan(aticism) with just little objectivity and logic, is all I'd ask.  It'd make the quality of discussion here much better.

Agreed. Owning mistakes is a huge part of life but I also don’t think it’s fair for you to always expect people to process information, (in this instance) game film, what they see or how they see a player the same as you do. I think it’s fair to say after the Darnold saga closes, we should often...OFTEN...temper our expectations a bit with whoever NY chooses to start...

but when you bring up using logic and objectivity, it just feels like you’re not willing to understand that other people view taking shots at QB different. while it may be way off from what you believe, it could just be posters logically came away favoring him as the best draftable option @ QB because maybe they seen something worth taking a chance on developing despite him just bursting onto the scene. Lol that’s totally a plausible outcome...

When it comes to projecting anything that has to do with QB, especially when projecting the career of a draft prospect, it seems like scouts do what they can to make the best decision, then they sit back & they pray it’s the right decision. What’s the expression? Throwing sh*t at the wall till’ it sticks? Wilson has many traits that translate to the NFL well & he’s got his red flags. It’s all about how you weight your pros & cons of each guy and that’s usually where we all come away disagreeing.

Personally, me, I don’t believe in the “competition has to be high level in college” stuff for a lot of prospects because I’ve watched millions of SEC QB’s come into the NFL and bust hard after playing NFL style defenses and top D prospects. Aaron Murray, Tim Tebow, Johnny Manziel, Zach Mettenberger, AJ McCarron, Jake Fromm is a nobody, Cam Newton had an average career, who am I missin? You get my point. Then you look on the other side of the spectrum and Patrick Mahomes from Texas Texas is a superstar, where did Allen play? The mountain division in Wyoming or something backwoods like that. Russell Wilson? Wisconsin. Baker & Kyler played in a conference where defense is imaginary. You can’t always use traditional measures of judgement to go about this imho so to keep swinging with the same balance of hope we had when we selected Darnold isn’t so bad. 

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37 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

Agreed. Owning mistakes is a huge part of life but I also don’t think it’s fair for you to always expect people to process information, (in this instance) game film, what they see or how they see a player the same as you do. I think it’s fair to say after the Darnold saga closes, we should often...OFTEN...temper our expectations a bit with whoever NY chooses to start...

but when you bring up using logic and objectivity, it just feels like you’re not willing to understand that other people view taking shots at QB different. while it may be way off from what you believe, it could just be posters logically came away favoring him as the best draftable option @ QB because maybe they seen something worth taking a chance on developing despite him just bursting onto the scene. Lol that’s totally a plausible outcome...

When it comes to projecting anything that has to do with QB, especially when projecting the career of a draft prospect, it seems like scouts do what they can to make the best decision, then they sit back & they pray it’s the right decision. What’s the expression? Throwing sh*t at the wall till’ it sticks? Wilson has many traits that translate to the NFL well & he’s got his red flags. It’s all about how you weight your pros & cons of each guy and that’s usually where we all come away disagreeing.

Personally, me, I don’t believe in the “competition has to be high level in college” stuff for a lot of prospects because I’ve watched millions of SEC QB’s come into the NFL and bust hard after playing NFL style defenses and top D prospects. Aaron Murray, Tim Tebow, Johnny Manziel, Zach Mettenberger, AJ McCarron, Jake Fromm is a nobody, Cam Newton had an average career, who am I missin? You get my point. Then you look on the other side of the spectrum and Patrick Mahomes from Texas Texas is a superstar, where did Allen play? The mountain division in Wyoming or something backwoods like that. Russell Wilson? Wisconsin. Baker & Kyler played in a conference where defense is imaginary. You can’t always use traditional measures of judgement to go about this imho so to keep swinging with the same balance of hope we had when we selected Darnold isn’t so bad. 

There is a fundamental logical fallacy in your argument, you're cherry picking singular examples and not looking at the math, not looking at the whole populations:

For every Allen or Mahomes, there are hundreds of similar QB's drafted or not drafted at all with smaller resumes or from those "lesser competition" schools who never amounted to anything in the NFL.  The Mahomes's are the exception, not the rule.

Conversely, yes, plenty of big time elite competition QB's have busted no doubt, but you see that because they're the guys drafted high up and started more often than the small school one year phenom types.  And while no shortage of these guys bust too, there is a larger population and percentage of them who do not than there is those small school guys.

Ultimately, there are also a million other variables involved as well, first and foremost a talent-set that translates to the NFL (Tim Tebow is a perfect example of one who did not) but the odds would say a guy who did well in college, against elite competition in college, has the highest chance of success in the pros compared to a kid who was a short term on non-success in college, in a not elite program facing non-elite competition.  Doesn't mean a Mahomes can't happen, it means on the average, it's less likely to happen vs. a kid who did play against elite competition and performed for more than one year doing it.

 

 

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7 hours ago, Biggs said:

He may suck but it's hard to believe he will suck that much.  

 

5 hours ago, oatmeal said:

As a Fields guy myself I totally disagree with this, Zach >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sam and it’s not even close 

Are you guys new to this Jets thing?

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8 hours ago, JiF said:

When Zach Wilson has a worse first 3 years then Sam, do you think people will blame Saleh and Lafleur or weapons?

What happens when he has a great 3 years? Who do you think will get the credit?

My guess is JD will get the most credit.

While you and @TomShane will be claiming you knew it all along.

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