Greenbloodblitz Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Do you now see what a bad move it would have been? Let's give up three or four first-round picks and Quinnen Williams? Then Allen Robinson and every other great free agent will just come to the Jets because DeShaun Watson is here? Sorry but that's obviously not happening cuz everybody just got tagged! We would have been in the worst Financial hole we ever have been in, and I for one am so grateful that this did not happen! So are we keeping Sam? Trading down from the second overall pick, or choosing Fields or Amanda Bearse? 7 16 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Smashmouth Posted March 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 9, 2021 This is exactly why Joe Douglas was waiting if he even wanted Watson at all. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Smashmouth Posted March 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 9, 2021 If we trade out of the second pick I hope we target Mac Jones and a boat load of fast skill players for him to grow with 7 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post derp Posted March 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 9, 2021 Worst financial hole the Jets have ever been in with a quarterback better than Dak Prescott making less money? 9 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Columbia Jet Fan Posted March 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 9, 2021 11 minutes ago, Greenbloodblitz said: Do you now see what a bad move it would have been? Let's give up three or four first-round picks and Quinnen Williams? Then Allen Robinson and every other great free agent will just come to the Jets because DeShaun Watson is here? Sorry but that's obviously not happening cuz everybody just got tagged! We would have been in the worst Financial hole we ever have been in, and I for one am so grateful that this did not happen! So are we keeping Sam? Trading down from the second overall pick, or choosing Fields or Amanda Bearse? Wat? The reason to get Deshaun Watson was to get a to 5 QB who is 25 and is under a very manageable contract. Would it have been great to pair him with ARob, sure, but to act like getting DW4 w/o ARob is a loss is insane logic. Also who is everybody? I'd say based on expectations less people got tagged than we thought. Also how would we be in the worst financial hole we've ever been in? We have the 2nd most cap space and DW4 costs $10mm next year? After that year he would cost $32-$37mm, which is already a discount to what Dak just signed, Mahomes signed for, and what guys like Josh Allen and Lamar will sign. Not too mention the expectation is the cap will rise after the TV deal is announces which will make his contract even more affordable. Is your dream scenario to have bad QB play so we don't need to actually sign a guy to a top end contract? Constantly draft rookies? Whether giving up the draft capital for DW4 is worth it or not is dependent on what the ask is, but to act like his contract would put us in cap hell, or that acquiring him wouldn't make us a more attractive option for potential FAs is insane. 14 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post UntouchableCrew Posted March 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 9, 2021 Wanting Deshaun Watson has nothing to do with attracting Allen Robinson and everything to do with having a top five QB in the NFL at age 25, the most priceless asset you can have. 21 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chad2coles Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 I haven't read anyone say they wanted to trade Q in a package for Watson. Teams have until March 17th to get under the cap. Everyone reporting on free agency has said that there will be way more talent available than usual because of the cap crunch. And even with the tags, huge upgrades to the o-line aren't getting tagged, several big upgrades at WR aren't getting tagged, some of the best edge rushers in football won't be tagged. Allen Robinson getting tagged doesn't end the chance of Douglas dramatically improving the roster through free agency. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOJ Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Green, I am with you Bro... On another forum I got into a debate about building the team vs. signing and arm. I know what Sam is and isn't but this team needs an infusion of talent with speed that are smart football players. JD has a plan it is, "price point vs. quality/rating (A, B, C players)." he will go after A players and pay if the value proposition is there but not overpay for B players. he will prudent and select the players that HC/coaches and he agree will help the team the most... not just fill roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted March 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 9, 2021 Why would it have been a bad move to get an elite young QB? 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jetsfan80 Posted March 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 9, 2021 WR's coming here would be a very secondary reason to acquire Watson. Getting a young, elite QB makes the team an instant perennial contender with or without elite WR's. That said, Kenny Golladay is still available. He's not coming here to play with Sam f**kin Darnold, that's for sure. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Darnold Schwarzenegger Posted March 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 9, 2021 "Jets can't build a team without 3 first rd picks" argument is so false. We got 2 first rounders for adams If you can turn those 2 picks and the 2nd overall into Watson you do it. The only draft pick your really losing is 2nd overall. And your getting deshaun watson in return so who cares. You still keep all your other picks. 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chad2coles Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 1 minute ago, Darnold Schwarzenegger said: "Jets can't build a team without 3 first rd picks" argument is so false. We got 2 first rounders for adams If you can turn those 2 picks and the 2nd overall into Watson you do it. The only draft pick your really losing is 2nd overall. And your getting deshaun watson in return so who cares. You still keep all your other picks. Right. Zach Wilson and Jamal Adams for a 25 year old top 5 QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HawkeyeJet Posted March 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 9, 2021 I love the "I told you so" post well before anything has been remotely proven. Power move. 3 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 11 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: WR's coming here would be a very secondary reason to acquire Watson. Getting a young, elite QB makes the team an instant perennial contender with or without elite WR's. That said, Kenny Golladay is still available. He's not coming here to play with Sam f**kin Darnold, that's for sure. It makes us a contender but with a weak team you get exposed in the playoffs damn near every time. Also keep in mind most of our first round picks will be going out the door so in year 1 or 2 of Watson we will be looking at FA to build around him rather than getting draft picks on the cheap for 4 or 5 years which will ultimately cause cap trouble when said QB is 1/4 of your teams salary. So yeah the Jets will be good by default win our 10 - 12 games a season and get our asses beat in the playoff's because the team just does not have the talent level to compete other than the fact we have Watson. We've seen lots of elite QB's win games then get beat over and over in the playoffs because their teams were just not good enough. Only one guy was good enough to go to 10 SB's and win 7 of them and the odds of that happening again in any of our lifetimes is zero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenbloodblitz Posted March 9, 2021 Author Share Posted March 9, 2021 Man I knew this thread would get some of you all fired up! LOL Go on YouTube and look up W.A.S.P Blind in Texas! But seriously do you guys really think if we gave up all that draft capital for Watson, and yes people were talking about throwing Quinnen Williams in the trade, that we wouldn't be watching him run around and getting crushed just like we watched Sam Darnold for the last 2 years? Some of you guys I think your hearts are in the right place but just don't understand how to build a football team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 38 minutes ago, Greenbloodblitz said: Do you now see what a bad move it would have been? Let's give up three or four first-round picks and Quinnen Williams? Then Allen Robinson and every other great free agent will just come to the Jets because DeShaun Watson is here? Sorry but that's obviously not happening cuz everybody just got tagged! We would have been in the worst Financial hole we ever have been in, and I for one am so grateful that this did not happen! So are we keeping Sam? Trading down from the second overall pick, or choosing Fields or Amanda Bearse? So the only upside to getting Deshaun Watson was the prospect of getting Allen Robinson? Cool story. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenbloodblitz Posted March 9, 2021 Author Share Posted March 9, 2021 21 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: WR's coming here would be a very secondary reason to acquire Watson. Getting a young, elite QB makes the team an instant perennial contender with or without elite WR's. That said, Kenny Golladay is still available. He's not coming here to play with Sam f**kin Darnold, that's for sure. Oh yeah but they'll both be pulling chunks of grass and mud out of their helmets all day on Sunday 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chad2coles Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 1 minute ago, Greenbloodblitz said: Man I knew this thread would get some of you all fired up! LOL Go on YouTube and look up W.A.S.P Blind in Texas! But seriously do you guys really think if we gave up all that draft capital for Watson, and yes people were talking about throwing Quinnen Williams in the trade, that we wouldn't be watching him run around and getting crushed just like we watched Sam Darnold for the last 2 years? Some of you guys I think your hearts are in the right place but just don't understand how to build a football team. Did Joe Thuney and Corey Linsley get tagged? Has Deshaun Watson ever played behind a good O-Line? With your understanding of how to build a football team, what do you want the Jets to do with their $73M in cap room? I didn't realize Allen Robinson getting tagged ends free agency. Should we wait for the draft or just start week 1 on Sunday? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 43 minutes ago, Greenbloodblitz said: Do you now see what a bad move it would have been? Let's give up three or four first-round picks and Quinnen Williams? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenbloodblitz Posted March 9, 2021 Author Share Posted March 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, Spoot-Face said: So the only upside to getting Deshaun Watson was the prospect of getting Allen Robinson? Cool story. If you've read the board then yes you would know that's the general consensus. All the free agent offensive skill players would be flocking here if we got DeShaun Watson. In fact Allen Robinson would come here as well as Chris Godwin they're all getting on the train and can't wait to play with DeShaun Watson and the Jets! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 7 minutes ago, Greenbloodblitz said: Man I knew this thread would get some of you all fired up! LOL Go on YouTube and look up W.A.S.P Blind in Texas! But seriously do you guys really think if we gave up all that draft capital for Watson, and yes people were talking about throwing Quinnen Williams in the trade, that we wouldn't be watching him run around and getting crushed just like we watched Sam Darnold for the last 2 years? Some of you guys I think your hearts are in the right place but just don't understand how to build a football team. So educate us. Who is playing QB for YOUR Team next year GM Greenbloodblitz? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenbloodblitz Posted March 9, 2021 Author Share Posted March 9, 2021 You can get mad if you want to you can leave your friends behind LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 12 minutes ago, Greenbloodblitz said: Man I knew this thread would get some of you all fired up! LOL Go on YouTube and look up W.A.S.P Blind in Texas! But seriously do you guys really think if we gave up all that draft capital for Watson, and yes people were talking about throwing Quinnen Williams in the trade, that we wouldn't be watching him run around and getting crushed just like we watched Sam Darnold for the last 2 years? Some of you guys I think your hearts are in the right place but just don't understand how to build a football team. I like Sam Darnold. I think there’s a better chance that Sam Darnold would run around and get crushed behind the elite offensive line folks want to put together than Deshaun Watson would run around and get crushed behind the Jets’ current offensive line. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 15 minutes ago, Smashmouth said: It makes us a contender but with a weak team you get exposed in the playoffs damn near every time. Also keep in mind most of our first round picks will be going out the door so in year 1 or 2 of Watson we will be looking at FA to build around him rather than getting draft picks on the cheap for 4 or 5 years which will ultimately cause cap trouble when said QB is 1/4 of your teams salary. So yeah the Jets will be good by default win our 10 - 12 games a season and get our asses beat in the playoff's because the team just does not have the talent level to compete other than the fact we have Watson. We've seen lots of elite QB's win games then get beat over and over in the playoffs because their teams were just not good enough. Only one guy was good enough to go to 10 SB's and win 7 of them and the odds of that happening again in any of our lifetimes is zero We haven't been to the postseason in 10 years and haven't had a franchise QB in over 50. We'll live. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chad2coles Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 18 minutes ago, Smashmouth said: It makes us a contender but with a weak team you get exposed in the playoffs damn near every time. Also keep in mind most of our first round picks will be going out the door so in year 1 or 2 of Watson we will be looking at FA to build around him rather than getting draft picks on the cheap for 4 or 5 years which will ultimately cause cap trouble when said QB is 1/4 of your teams salary. So yeah the Jets will be good by default win our 10 - 12 games a season and get our asses beat in the playoff's because the team just does not have the talent level to compete other than the fact we have Watson. We've seen lots of elite QB's win games then get beat over and over in the playoffs because their teams were just not good enough. Only one guy was good enough to go to 10 SB's and win 7 of them and the odds of that happening again in any of our lifetimes is zero Elite QBs that get beat in the playoffs are also the elite qbs that win a SB - Rodgers, Brees, Brady, Roethlisberger, Wilson, Manning, Favre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 14 minutes ago, Greenbloodblitz said: If you've read the board then yes you would know that's the general consensus. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 19 minutes ago, Greenbloodblitz said: Oh yeah but they'll both be pulling chunks of grass and mud out of their helmets all day on Sunday Why, was Corey Linsley signed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenbloodblitz Posted March 9, 2021 Author Share Posted March 9, 2021 14 minutes ago, Warfish said: So educate us. Who is playing QB for YOUR Team next year GM Greenbloodblitz? I will give you my honest answer Mr. Warfish as GM's are paid to think of all possible outcomes. So in year four of their professional career DeShaun Watson will be 26 years old. Sam will be 24, Fields will be 26, Zach Wilson will be 25 right? I'm not saying Watson is not a better quarterback than Sam Darnold. However there are variables. Sam did not play with any of the best wide receivers in the league or the best defensive ends in the league in his career thus far am I correct? He does have three years experience playing professional football over anybody we could draft. Also let's not let it get lost in translation that all of the QBs we are talkin about are all World athletes. I mean that with the utmost respect to what these guys put their bodies and minds through on a daily basis. Playing with Monopoly money I would say I'm not giving away my draft picks and all of that cap space for a very small margin of talent between said QB's. The end-all and be-all comes down to whether or not the GM thinks that the talent coming out of the draft is worth taking a chance on while surrounding them with your top end draft picks. Is Sam better than Justin Fields or Zach Wilson, and is he worth the money? If I were GM as good as Watson is, it's not going to make a difference and it will look just like last year. This especially if I give up my entire plan of accumulating draft picks to build my football team. I hope I've answered your question my friend 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 40 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said: Wanting Deshaun Watson has nothing to do with attracting Allen Robinson and everything to do with having a top five QB in the NFL at age 25, the most priceless asset you can have. The narrative conveniently changes for the Watson fans. Before it was "No worries about giving up all the high picks cause Douglas can build a juggernaut with late round picks and all the FA weapons we are going to sign!" Now it is , oh we just want a top 5 QB , please forget houston won 4 games last year 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, Beerfish said: The narrative conveniently changes for the Watson fans. Before it was "No worries about giving up all the high picks cause Douglas can build a juggernaut with late round picks and all the FA weapons we are going to sign!" Now it is , oh we just want a top 5 QB , please forget houston won 4 games last year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, Greenbloodblitz said: I will give you my honest answer Mr. Warfish as GM's are paid to think of all possible outcomes. So in year four of their professional career DeShaun Watson will be 26 years old. Sam will be 24, Fields will be 26, Zach Wilson will be 25 right? I'm not saying Watson is not a better quarterback than Sam Darnold. However there are variables. Sam did not play with any of the best wide receivers in the league or the best defensive ends in the league in his career thus far am I correct? He does have three years experience playing professional football over anybody we could draft. Also let's not let it get lost in translation that all of the QBs we are talkin about are all World athletes. I mean that with the utmost respect to what these guys put their bodies and minds through on a daily basis. Playing with Monopoly money I would say I'm not giving away my draft picks and all of that cap space for a very small margin of talent between said QB's. The end-all and be-all comes down to whether or not the GM thinks that the talent coming out of the draft is worth taking a chance on while surrounding them with your top end draft picks. Is Sam better than Justin Fields or Zach Wilson, and is he worth the money? If I were GM as good as Watson is, it's not going to make a difference and it will look just like last year. This especially if I give up my entire plan of accumulating draft picks to build my football team. I hope I've answered your question my friend. So.....Sam, then. Yes, you've answered my question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post T0mShane Posted March 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, Greenbloodblitz said: I'm not saying Watson is not a better quarterback than Sam Darnold. However there are variables 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chad2coles Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 1 minute ago, Beerfish said: The narrative conveniently changes for the Watson fans. Before it was "No worries about giving up all the high picks cause Douglas can build a juggernaut with late round picks and all the FA weapons we are going to sign!" Now it is , oh we just want a top 5 QB , please forget houston won 4 games last year Allen Robinson getting tagged doesn't end the opportunity to significantly improve the team through free agency. There are still huge upgrades to be had in free agency at o-line, WR, edge, and cb. A lot more talent will be available in free agency, including the potential for some of these tagged players to be available, by March 17th when teams need to get under the cap. And no one is saying the Jets should trade all their 1st and 2nd round picks for Watson. You talk about "forget houston won 4 games last year," but you use this lazy argument that the Jets' '21 roster would be comparable to the texans' '20 roster and try to validate it with 1 WR getting tagged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shuler82 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Oh this thread. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heymangold Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Yeah F it. Let’s run it back with Darnold and Perriman, draft Sewell and finish 2-14 again. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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