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Lots of rumors floating around right now about Russel Wilson getting traded to the Bears by tomorrow. Betting sites took down Wentz destination bets right before his trade to the Colts. Same for Watt.

Haha you suck Jamal.

please be true.  Watching Seattle go 4-12 next year would warm my heart like few things ever could . . . 

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I wonder how much a potential Russel Wilson trade would hold up a Jets trade for Watson.  If the Seahawks trade Wilson, it's easy to see that pick being in the 4-8 range.  Completely changes the value of what Douglas has to trade.

Even the people most against the idea of getting Watson have been open to trading for him if Douglas could keep all of his resources other than #2 and another 1st.  Of course, they will probably change their tune if Wilson is traded. 

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19 minutes ago, BroadwayRay said:

This is what everyone who advocates the return of Darnold overlooks. Darnold is the prototypical "project" QB. He's got raw talents, but is lacking in fundamentals and in his processing of the NFL game. You can say that about a lot of QBs entering the draft who end up being day-two picks. What's remarkable about Darnold is that this is who he is going into his fourth year in the NFL. 

It's really hard to reconcile. 

One year of elite production (yes against whatever competition) is a worse indicator of good things to come than a 3 year stretch of bad-to-terrible production, which itself came after a disappointing final college season.

I'm not seeing it. And that's just measuring against Wilson alone. There are other 1st round QB prospects, too.

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2 hours ago, Phillyjet said:

It's a bridge deal and is a win-win for both sides.  If it doesn't work out, then it will be easy for the Jets to get out of it.  IF it does, then we have Darnold at a lower value over a three year window than if he had hit his ceiling.  This is about business, not reward.  Darnold is 24 years old, arguably being added to a great offensive system for his skill, and way ahead of learning the pro game (and adjusting to the speed) than a rookie quarterback.  We may need to agree to disagree, but I see more upside on Darnold plus Chase/Smith/Waddle/Pitts than Wilson, a one-year wonder who noone was talking about last year, without a number 1 wide receiver.  It is a fair opinion to have.

There's no reason give Sam 30M guaranteed (Bridgewater money) today.   We have 3 years of control on the guy.  What if he gets hurt or sucks.

Let's see Sam in the new offense for cheap this year.   Then if he succeeds, franchise him or sign him next year.

For right now, I'd rather use that 30M guaranteed on a WR or a OG.

 

 

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That Jamal Adams trade was already the greatest trade in franchise history.

Seattle going all-in on Jamal now may blow up so severely on them that the trade still can improve, TWOFOLD:

1) Increasing the value of the 2022 pick

2) Impacting the 2021 QB offseason availability pool to the benefit of the NYJ on several possible levels.

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38 minutes ago, chad2coles said:

I wonder how much a potential Russel Wilson trade would hold up a Jets trade for Watson.  If the Seahawks trade Wilson, it's easy to see that pick being in the 4-8 range.  Completely changes the value of what Douglas has to trade.

Even the people most against the idea of getting Watson have been open to trading for him if Douglas could keep all of his resources other than #2 and another 1st.  Of course, they will probably change their tune if Wilson is traded. 

Totally agree.

Look at what happened to Dallas without Dak, I would say Dallas has more overall talent than Seattle, without Wilson, that could easily be 4-8.

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1 minute ago, chirorob said:

Totally agree.

Look at what happened to Dallas without Dak, I would say Dallas has more overall talent than Seattle, without Wilson, that could easily be 4-8.

The Seahawks don't get to play the Giants, Eagles, and WFT 6 times next year.

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15 minutes ago, JetPotato said:

That Jamal Adams trade was already the greatest trade in franchise history.

Seattle going all-in on Jamal now may blow up so severely on them that the trade still can improve, TWOFOLD:

1) Increasing the value of the 2022 pick

2) Impacting the 2021 QB offseason availability pool to the benefit of the NYJ on several possible levels.

It's announced that the Seahawks get 3 1st round picks from the Bears for Wilson.

Douglas calls John Schneider immediately.  "So I hear you guys are in the market for a QB.  Sam Darnold could be had for the right price, but you have to understand that the QB position is a lot more important than box safety...."

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1 hour ago, chad2coles said:

I wonder how much a potential Russel Wilson trade would hold up a Jets trade for Watson.  If the Seahawks trade Wilson, it's easy to see that pick being in the 4-8 range.  Completely changes the value of what Douglas has to trade.

Even the people most against the idea of getting Watson have been open to trading for him if Douglas could keep all of his resources other than #2 and another 1st.  Of course, they will probably change their tune if Wilson is traded. 

4-8 range?  And who's the Seahawk backup that would be next in line? HAHAHAHHAHA Geno Weeeno Smith  HAHAHAHHA More like 1-4 range.

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3 hours ago, oatmeal said:

Best idea all day and done. 
 

No funny s***t but I now have a top 3 member title 

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6 minutes ago, Wonderboy said:

4-8 range?  And who's the Seahawk backup that would be next in line? HAHAHAHHAHA Geno Weeeno Smith  HAHAHAHHA More like 1-4 range.

Douglas buys season tickets for IK Enemkpali right behind the Seahawks bench.

The Seahawks have a tough schedule next year.  Cardinals and Rams get better, 49ers get healthy, other than Jags, Lions, and Texans, every game looks tough.  Home - Bears (with Wilson?), Lions, Jags, Titans, Saints Away - Packers, Vikings, Texans, Colts, WFT.  If they don't have Wilson, they are probably a 4/5 win team.

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1 hour ago, dcJet said:

There's no reason give Sam 30M guaranteed (Bridgewater money) today.   We have 3 years of control on the guy.  What if he gets hurt or sucks.

Let's see Sam in the new offense for cheap this year.   Then if he succeeds, franchise him or sign him next year.

For right now, I'd rather use that 30M guaranteed on a WR or a OG.

 

 

ok with that too.  but depends on what's available.  We have cap room this year, say we end up having to overpay for street free agents.  You can lower Sam's cap number next year during his option year through say a roster bonus this year and less guaranteed next year, actually saves money next year and makes him more tradeable as well.  Comes down to the impacts on cap, etc. I'm still not opposed to just letting him play it out, but would not be surprised to see a bridge deal that could be win/win.  Just think I favor Sam plus a bonafide playmaker in early Round 1 as opposed to a crapshoot rookie and no playmaker. 

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1 hour ago, football guy said:

I think many miss the point of a Darnold extension. It's not about rewarding the player, it's about hedging. If you opt-in to Sam's option, you're on the hook for $18.85 million one way or another. If you don't accept the option, you'll be forced to franchise tag him if he plays well, which would cost the team more money. Giving an "extension" merely pays him what he would've gotten paid on the option, plus a little extra, in order to spread out the guaranteed money and prorate it over a number of years, and if he does in fact play well, he's under team control cheaply. That's the crux of it. 

And I think the point that many proponents of this plan miss is what a foolish waste of money and cap space it would represent if Darnold continues to play as he has for the past three (really four) years.

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1 hour ago, dcJet said:

You hedge with Mahomes or Allen or Herbert or Burrow, not a Darnold.  It's throwing away money.  

This is so goddamn stupid it's hard to find words to convey the level of stupidity here. Do you just not understand what the word "hedge" means? Is that the issue? 

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15 minutes ago, BroadwayRay said:

And I think the point that many proponents of this plan miss is what a foolish waste of money and cap space it would represent if Darnold continues to play as he has for the past three (really four) years.

depends... maybe he eats some extra cap this year, but if the cap hit is lower next year, and the dead money is manageable for year 3, then I'm not sure I agree.  You only spend cap money if this year if there is a player worth over-spending on.  You don't just spend it to spend it.  Sometimes it's good to sign with big roster bonuses, so that future cap hits are lower and that you have a ton of cap room next year and the year after.  If he plays like sh*t, there is an exit strategy.  If he hits under the new LaFleur system with playmakers, we've got him for reasonable cap numbers and can build around him.  Win/win.   

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1 hour ago, flgreen said:

 

Then "The Prez" breaks his jaw.

:)

Better yet Geno, paranoid after getting punched out by IK and fires a pre emptive shot, breaking "The Prez's" jaw.  😁

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8 hours ago, football guy said:

I have maintained that its my belief that Darnold will be the QB for the NYJ next season. I've even put percentages on it. Hell I made a circle graph. Nothing has changed. I believe there's a 30% chance that he's traded and Zach Wilson is selected. Unless you're a 2+2=5 guy (likely based on the sensational takes, uninformed opinions, and vitriol posting habits), that would imply I believe there is a much greater that Darnold is back. The point is that Deshaun Watson is not getting traded, and with that there's a better chance Russell Wilson/Sam Darnold are traded. "More likely" does not mean "likely" either, you incompetent swine. 

Do me a favor and don't quote me, don't at me, don't even mention content I post. You're a skid mark in the underpants of society, and I have no desire for people like you to ruin the fun of football discussion on a message board right before free agency is set to begin. 

Good day. 

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1 hour ago, GreenFish said:

Jamal might just retire early and claim he had a HoF career. He doesn’t come from losing. So, he’ll just quit when Wilson gets traded.

Nah he wants to get his bag first.  Once he gets paid, he could easily Albert Haynesworth it then retire.

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6 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Nah he wants to get his bag first.  Once he gets paid, he could easily Albert Haynesworth it then retire.

He’s 25 years old, plays ILB, and is already breaking down physically faster than Bob Sanders did. Ge doesn’t even have to dog it to be out of the league by age 30

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11 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

He’s 25 years old, plays ILB, and is already breaking down physically faster than Bob Sanders did. Ge doesn’t even have to dog it to be out of the league by age 30

When you have a horseneck, chicken legs and run in dick first every play it doesn't equate to longevity. Plus, he's a DB who can't run or cover. He will be obsolete before Russ Wilson gets to do his bipolar voice in Chicago. 

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Ahh life is good. Jamal about to be on a garbage team. Jamal doesn't have a contract extension. We have a eleventy first round picks. We are about to get our franchise QB. We have heaps of cashola. Not bad being a Jets fan right now.

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5 hours ago, Doggin94it said:

This is so goddamn stupid it's hard to find words to convey the level of stupidity here. Do you just not understand what the word "hedge" means? Is that the issue? 

hmmm. I guess so.  Hedge is to reduce risk of a future asset price movement.

Herbert may cost you 40M down the road, so you sign him for 30M now.  

Sam may cost you 30M later, why give him 30M now?  Are you saying Sam might be a 40M QB?  Do you view Sam like Herbert?

I'm missing it.  Please explain.

 

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2 hours ago, dcJet said:

hmmm. I guess so.  Hedge is to reduce risk of a future asset price movement.

Herbert may cost you 40M down the road, so you sign him for 30M now.  

Sam may cost you 30M later, why give him 30M now?  Are you saying Sam might be a 40M QB?  Do you view Sam like Herbert?

I'm missing it.  Please explain.

 

Mahomes is a known quantity; the discount (if any) the chiefs got for him wasn't "hedging" - it was buying out current lower priced years of control. Hedging is minimizing risk at the cost of upside. For example, signing a guy now who you think might be worth more than you can pay him now if things break right, but would be worth less if they don't. Signing Sam at 30m isn't a hedge, because it's essentially full price. Extending him at 25 or less is, since his play to date doesn't warrant that but it would be a steal if he develops. 

 

Listing a bunch of guys who are known quantities isn't a valid comparison

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