Prodigal Syndicate Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 On 10/24/2021 at 2:01 PM, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said: One of us was delusional and expected more out of a season that was CLEARLY a developmental year. One of us understood that this year was going to be a sh*tshow. I'm not clinging to anything. I'm hoping that the plan pans out but I'm willing to admit if I was wrong if/when the time comes. I have the ability to think critically, and you don't. That's fine. Different strokes for different folks. It astounds me that people are still not grasping the concept of a rebuild. So which part of the rebuild and trust the process is giving up draft assets for a veteran player when you're 1-5 and have no shot at the playoffs anyway? A player we could have just signed during the off season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Fleming Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 On 10/24/2021 at 6:56 PM, CSNY said: No way. Kotite was the absolute worst At least the Kotite teams were often more competitive. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecuadorian Jet Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 On 10/24/2021 at 10:07 AM, Warfish said: First year for JD with his chosen Coach (and not the worst coach in Jets History, Gase), and his chosen QB (not the Macc/Bowles pick Darnold). But you knew that. Saleh is on track, at least by point differential, to be worse than Gase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doitny Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 3 hours ago, JTJet said: Ok this hasnt gotten a comment in 8 hours. Time to revitalize it. The Joe Flacco trade proves beyond a shadow of a doubt JD is incompetent. I believe now this HAS to convert at minimum 25% of the JD believers in this thread. i see yesterday did convert some but this? so he made a mistake and now trys to fix it and people are going to stop believing in him?. i think doing nothing and riding it out with Mike White for 4 weeks would lose him 25% 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlito1171 Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 3 hours ago, JTJet said: Ok this hasnt gotten a comment in 8 hours. Time to revitalize it. The Joe Flacco trade proves beyond a shadow of a doubt JD is incompetent. I believe now this HAS to convert at minimum 25% of the JD believers in this thread. Count me in....let's be honest...we all know how this movie ends.... It won't happen at the end of this season....but cmon man....we've all been Jets fans long enough to know what happens in a year or two 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlito1171 Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 14 minutes ago, doitny said: i see yesterday did convert some but this? so he made a mistake and now trys to fix it and people are going to stop believing in him?. i think doing nothing and riding it out with Mike White for 4 weeks would lose him 25% Riding it out with MIke White for 4 weeks should have never even been close to being an option to begin with.... Been trying to give the man a chance.....but that's complete incompetence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SR24 Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 Am I the only one who got angrier after the Flacco trade? Like Sunday was brutal but I finally just accepted it then 20 mins later my phone goes off with the dog sh*t notification that we made that trade 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prodigal Syndicate Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 1 minute ago, SR24 said: Am I the only one who got angrier after the Flacco trade? Like Sunday was brutal but I finally just accepted it then 20 mins later my phone goes off with the dog sh*t notification that we made that trade It's a move that literally flies in the face of every defense of Douglas by his Homer's. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doitny Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, Prodigal Syndicate said: It's a move that literally flies in the face of every defense of Douglas by his Homer's. and if it works out? so he wasnt here from day 1 but if zach learns something by watching him for 4 weeks and listening to him the rest of the season and plays better are we still going to complain. i dont care how we get there as long as we get there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freestater Posted October 26, 2021 Author Share Posted October 26, 2021 23 minutes ago, doitny said: ...as long as we get there 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 If you liked the last time Flacco was brought in precisely because he was a defensible backup QB on paper who wouldn’t outperform our young, highly-drafted QB, you’ve got a treat in store. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSNY Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 3 hours ago, Ian Fleming said: At least the Kotite teams were often more competitive. Kotite coached a far more talented team to a 1-15 record. Parcells took essentially the same team to a 9-7 record. Kotite was and always will be the worst coach the Jets ever had. Holtz and Gase included 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 4 hours ago, CSNY said: Kotite coached a far more talented team to a 1-15 record. Parcells took essentially the same team to a 9-7 record. Kotite was and always will be the worst coach the Jets ever had. Holtz and Gase included Saleh is giving them a run for their money when you look at point differentials 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSNY Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 9 minutes ago, kevinc855 said: Saleh is giving them a run for their money when you look at point differentials Not ready to call for his head just yet. Many examples of HOF coaches that struggled in their first couple of years 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 1 minute ago, CSNY said: Not ready to call for his head just yet. Many examples of HOF coaches that struggled in their first couple of years I Will give him to the end of the year as well. Gotta see how these 11 games play out. Can’t get worse can it? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 JD scared the Jets might go 1-16 and he loses his job. This move only has value if Flacco sticks around for another year or two. What are the conditions where the pick becomes a 5th? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 It’s stating to crack fellas Sounds like Greenie is on the fire jd bandwagon 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hex Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 12 minutes ago, kevinc855 said: Sounds like Greenie is on the fire jd bandwagon I think 90% of the world is currently 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 5 minutes ago, Hex said: I think 90% of the world is currently I think Greenie is the first major media guy to start laying blame at JDs feet tho. Saleh is taking the heat. Greenie points the obvious out. Who hired saleh? Oooohhh 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doitny Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 25 minutes ago, kevinc855 said: It’s stating to crack fellas Sounds like Greenie is on the fire jd bandwagon and if we win next week he will be praising him . he overreacting just like everyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSNY Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 6 hours ago, kevinc855 said: I Will give him to the end of the year as well. Gotta see how these 11 games play out. Can’t get worse can it? Of course it can. Getting the doors blown off is by the Texans or Jaguars would be the worst. If that happens I really start to wonder if this regime has what it takes. This coming from a person who was quite optimistic about this season and the organization moving in the right direction 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 Wasn’t sure where to put this let’s just say JD knows who he works for lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rox Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 On 10/26/2021 at 12:05 PM, kevinc855 said: It’s stating to crack fellas Sounds like Greenie is on the fire jd bandwagon and hiring - ^^ as our new gm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNuuFaaolaExperience Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 After thinking about this for quite some time, the reason why this season has gone the way it has is because JD bet on WAY too many things at the same time. Unfortunately, he lost most of, if not all of the bets. Here is my list of bets that he lost: Rookie HC/Rookie OC/Second year DC/Rookie QB all in the same year Mike White - JAG scrap heap QB with zero snaps in the NFL backing up a rookie with same amount of NFL snaps Carl Lawson - High upside with performance. High risk of injury Jarrad Davis - Possible upside due to playing in a different scheme Cam Clark - Somehow a second year OT who played zero snaps in 2020 was going to win RG job and play well Alex Lewis - Bet on a guy who had a mental breakdown to recover and play well just months later Tyler Kroft, and Ryan Griffin - Bet on Kroft staying healthy, and somehow also being a number 1 TE, which he is not. Ryan Griffin is a 3rd TE, at best. Daniel Brown is a special teamer. Matt Amendola - He is not the answer. He has shanked short kicks that somehow made it through the uprights. He has flown under the radar due to not being in big enough situations for us to notice that he is a liability. His punting clinic when Mann went down was pretty good though. Bets that he won, in my opinion: Cornerback - I would have imagined that Bryce Hall as your number 1, and a mish mosh of rookies and UDFA were going to be the weak link of the defense. Tackle depth - This was more of a hedge than a bet, but this is the one positive thing that JD has done with the line. It's almost as if JD knew that Becton wasn't going to make it through the season. AVT - I couldn't imagine JD making past the end of next season if AVT wasn't playing as well as he has, especially after trading two 3rd rounders to acquire him. The plan was to coast through this season while developing coaches and players. I don't think there was expectation to compete for a playoff spot, but the organization couldn't have imagined that it would be this bad. JD better NAIL the 2022 off-season and draft, or we will be doing this again in 2023. Maybe it will feel "different this time" again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmnj Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 21 minutes ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said: After thinking about this for quite some time, the reason why this season has gone the way it has is because JD bet on WAY too many things at the same time. Unfortunately, he lost most of, if not all of the bets. Here is my list of bets that he lost: Rookie HC/Rookie OC/Second year DC/Rookie QB all in the same year Mike White - JAG scrap heap QB with zero snaps in the NFL backing up a rookie with same amount of NFL snaps Carl Lawson - High upside with performance. High risk of injury Jarrad Davis - Possible upside due to playing in a different scheme Cam Clark - Somehow a second year OT who played zero snaps in 2020 was going to win RG job and play well Alex Lewis - Bet on a guy who had a mental breakdown to recover and play well just months later Tyler Kroft, and Ryan Griffin - Bet on Kroft staying healthy, and somehow also being a number 1 TE, which he is not. Ryan Griffin is a 3rd TE, at best. Daniel Brown is a special teamer. Matt Amendola - He is not the answer. He has shanked short kicks that somehow made it through the uprights. He has flown under the radar due to not being in big enough situations for us to notice that he is a liability. His punting clinic when Mann went down was pretty good though. Bets that he won, in my opinion: Cornerback - I would have imagined that Bryce Hall as your number 1, and a mish mosh of rookies and UDFA were going to be the weak link of the defense. Tackle depth - This was more of a hedge than a bet, but this is the one positive thing that JD has done with the line. It's almost as if JD knew that Becton wasn't going to make it through the season. AVT - I couldn't imagine JD making past the end of next season if AVT wasn't playing as well as he has, especially after trading two 3rd rounders to acquire him. The plan was to coast through this season while developing coaches and players. I don't think there was expectation to compete for a playoff spot, but the organization couldn't have imagined that it would be this bad. JD better NAIL the 2022 off-season and draft, or we will be doing this again in 2023. Maybe it will feel "different this time" again. you can add his lack of understanding of the WR and Running back positions to the list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 41 minutes ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said: After thinking about this for quite some time, the reason why this season has gone the way it has is because JD bet on WAY too many things at the same time. Unfortunately, he lost most of, if not all of the bets. Here is my list of bets that he lost: Rookie HC/Rookie OC/Second year DC/Rookie QB all in the same year Mike White - JAG scrap heap QB with zero snaps in the NFL backing up a rookie with same amount of NFL snaps Carl Lawson - High upside with performance. High risk of injury Jarrad Davis - Possible upside due to playing in a different scheme Cam Clark - Somehow a second year OT who played zero snaps in 2020 was going to win RG job and play well Alex Lewis - Bet on a guy who had a mental breakdown to recover and play well just months later Tyler Kroft, and Ryan Griffin - Bet on Kroft staying healthy, and somehow also being a number 1 TE, which he is not. Ryan Griffin is a 3rd TE, at best. Daniel Brown is a special teamer. Matt Amendola - He is not the answer. He has shanked short kicks that somehow made it through the uprights. He has flown under the radar due to not being in big enough situations for us to notice that he is a liability. His punting clinic when Mann went down was pretty good though. Bets that he won, in my opinion: Cornerback - I would have imagined that Bryce Hall as your number 1, and a mish mosh of rookies and UDFA were going to be the weak link of the defense. Tackle depth - This was more of a hedge than a bet, but this is the one positive thing that JD has done with the line. It's almost as if JD knew that Becton wasn't going to make it through the season. AVT - I couldn't imagine JD making past the end of next season if AVT wasn't playing as well as he has, especially after trading two 3rd rounders to acquire him. The plan was to coast through this season while developing coaches and players. I don't think there was expectation to compete for a playoff spot, but the organization couldn't have imagined that it would be this bad. JD better NAIL the 2022 off-season and draft, or we will be doing this again in 2023. Maybe it will feel "different this time" again. This is what I have been saying since 2020 about how this rebuild is risky. It's fraught with risk, and JD gambles to much. He loves value guys with high upsides. Heres the thing, in order to become competitive this way you gotta be right ALOT about your signings and drafts. Alot of people come back with the old "BUT KEVIN, NO GM IS PERFECT" Agreed, you are going to miss some picks and signings, but not at this rate and not after you shipped all the talent out of town and tore this team to an expansion team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNuuFaaolaExperience Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 17 minutes ago, kmnj said: you can add his lack of understanding of the WR and Running back positions to the list I can add that you have no idea what you are talking about to the list. The RB and WR group are not the problem, and I cannot take anyone seriously if they think that RB and WR are even close to being a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 1 minute ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said: I can add that you have no idea what you are talking about to the list. The RB and WR group are not the problem, and I cannot take anyone seriously if they think that RB and WR are even close to being a problem. Well, yes and no, compared to some places, at first look RB and WR, dont seem to bad but is Carter really the answer? Guy up to now has Gore like numbers. Cole, Mimms and Moore haven't done a thing and Davis is far from the big number 1 we wanted him to be. Now maybe thats LaFlour is clueless and Wilson has been bad but its not those positions are knocking it out of the park. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 11 minutes ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said: I can add that you have no idea what you are talking about to the list. The RB and WR group are not the problem, and I cannot take anyone seriously if they think that RB and WR are even close to being a problem. They're certainly not an asset. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNuuFaaolaExperience Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 20 minutes ago, peebag said: They're certainly not an asset. They are playing well enough to let them develop and see what they have for a full season. CB can be upgraded in the off-season, which would then put the Jets in a position to have quality depth for a change. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claymation Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 On 10/25/2021 at 9:42 PM, Ian Fleming said: At least the Kotite teams were often more competitive. The Kotite's team were not competitive. They had a points differential of -151 and -175. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Fleming Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 7 hours ago, Claymation said: The Kotite's team were not competitive. They had a points differential of -151 and -175. Perhaps my memory has dulled the negatives of that era. That was indeed competitive talent wasted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GREAT WHITE HYPE Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 If they fire JD then they need to fire this coaching staff too. Clean house and bring in an experienced GM and let him hire his coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freestater Posted November 5, 2021 Author Share Posted November 5, 2021 I know this is only Joe's third year of rebuilding...but what's his record so far? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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