Irish Jet Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 On 11/22/2021 at 1:48 AM, Claymation said: Now do defensive players. The Jets defence in 2019 was 7th overall and was made up entirely of Maccagnan players. 2nd overall against the run! Please update me on the progress that has been made under Joe Douglas. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Irish Jet said: Now do defensive players. The Jets defence in 2019 was 7th overall and was made up entirely of Maccagnan players. 2nd overall against the run! Please update me on the progress that has been made under Joe Douglas. We had a better HC in 2019 and he hired Joe Douglas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 On 11/16/2021 at 3:01 PM, jeremy2020 said: The NFL helps many teams and often recommends the search firms that are used to find gms/coaches/etc or connect teams to people like former GMs to provide advice. Basically, any owner who wants it can get help from the NFL (mostly in connecting to people who then actually try to help them). Woody tried this already, and it was disastrous. The league sent Charley Casserly to help, who then recommended Mike Maccagnan. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 So, pray tell, who is this hot shot GM that is going to be researched and vetted, by the Johnson brothers? Who is this whippersnapper that is going to review the history of washed up hires that have been previously disposed of by this organization and say to himself, "Boy, that is an organization that I want to join". Exactly who is looking from the outside and saying, "I want to be inside that?" Until you have an answer for those questions, you are just whistling in the dark. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 2 hours ago, Irish Jet said: Now do defensive players. The Jets defence in 2019 was 7th overall and was made up entirely of Maccagnan players. 2nd overall against the run! Please update me on the progress that has been made under Joe Douglas. The D sucking right now is on the coaching IMO. There is ALOT more talent on this defense than the 2019 defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanatic Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 Dumbest thing this franchise can do is fire the GM who just had their best draft in years. This team is losing because the previous GMs were awful. One player one team from the 2013-19 drafts. JD is safe as he should be. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmnj Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 11 minutes ago, JetsFanatic said: Dumbest thing this franchise can do is fire the GM who just had their best draft in years. This team is losing because the previous GMs were awful. One player one team from the 2013-19 drafts. JD is safe as he should be. Jets have only a few good players on the entire roster- the jets are losing because they have bad players and a bad coach and they were all brought in by Joe - stop sniffing glue Joe can’t even find a kicker 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 1 minute ago, kmnj said: the jets are losing because they have bad players and a bad coach This is some real trigonometry here. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanatic Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 12 minutes ago, kmnj said: Jets have only a few good players on the entire roster- the jets are losing because they have bad players and a bad coach and they were all brought in by Joe - stop sniffing glue Joe can’t even find a kicker Joe cleared the roster and is rebuilding. He’s made great trades and and has added a lot of young talent. Next season I won’t be as understanding, but this year is a developmental year. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 40 minutes ago, JetsFanatic said: Dumbest thing this franchise can do is fire the GM who just had their best draft in years. This team is losing because the previous GMs were awful. One player one team from the 2013-19 drafts. JD is safe as he should be. Guess the 20 draft had nothing to do with us being bad 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 Just now, kevinc855 said: Guess the 20 draft had nothing to do with us being bad That was before Teh Rebuild™. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claymation Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 3 hours ago, Irish Jet said: Now do defensive players. The Jets defence in 2019 was 7th overall and was made up entirely of Maccagnan players. 2nd overall against the run! Please update me on the progress that has been made under Joe Douglas. Did Chronicles of Nania get back to you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNuuFaaolaExperience Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 1 hour ago, JetsFanatic said: Joe cleared the roster and is rebuilding. He’s made great trades and and has added a lot of young talent. Next season I won’t be as understanding, but this year is a developmental year. 2021 is the last year I defend JD for not fielding a better team. No more excuses after this season is over. He will have all of his cap space to spend and multiple premium draft picks. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doitny Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 7 hours ago, kmnj said: His record is awful, his roster is awful, his coach is awful- guy can’t even find a kicker - what about all of the terrible misses he has had by the way ? His first draft was historically bad and his free agents have been terrible The only good thing about Joe is he got some really stupid people to buy into this year being his first year the roster is not awful. now maybe the coaching is bad. every body mises and the 2020 draft no where near as bad as you say historical... historical would be Idzik bad. Hall is good. and Davis and Becton and even Mims are still around and have a chance. if those guys turn out to be starters then that a better draft since Tanny was here. but 2021. Moore is in the top 5 in all rookie stats and the guys in front of him have 1 and 2 more games played. Carter is 4th is yds and total yds with missing 2 games. AVT and MC2 @Prodigal Syndicate have outside chances for the all rookie team. and Zach is improving. every GM misses, we should know that all to well, but there is no way after that 2021 draft you get rid of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doitny Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 2 hours ago, kevinc855 said: Guess the 20 draft had nothing to do with us being bad ok so one was not so good but his 2nd could be the best draft we ever had.... but lets fire him.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 6 minutes ago, doitny said: the roster is not awful. please expand We want to hear this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 12 minutes ago, doitny said: the roster is not awful. now maybe the coaching is bad. every body mises and the 2020 draft no where near as bad as you say historical... historical would be Idzik bad. Hall is good. and Davis and Becton and even Mims are still around and have a chance. if those guys turn out to be starters then that a better draft since Tanny was here. but 2021. Moore is in the top 5 in all rookie stats and the guys in front of him have 1 and 2 more games played. Carter is 4th is yds and total yds with missing 2 games. AVT and MC2 @Prodigal Syndicate have outside chances for the all rookie team. and Zach is improving. every GM misses, we should know that all to well, but there is no way after that 2021 draft you get rid of him. Becton, Mims, Zuniga, Clark, and Perine can all be fairly dumped into the bust bucket at this point. Davis plays at least, but he is terrible. So take that for whatever. Hall looks like he’s a starter at least. The punter sucks. Crowdsourcing the 2020 draft to Jetnation posters would have been a significant improvement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doitny Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 18 minutes ago, kevinc855 said: please expand We want to hear this the RBs are good enough... the OL is good enough..... the WRs are good enough.... our offense is between 20-26 in almost all the important cats . thats not awful. now defense i still dont think there as bad as they played. i still think its scheme. your probably missing 2-3 players that can make the rest of the defense play better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 3 hours ago, jgb said: That was before Teh Rebuild™. Everyone knows you get a mulligan on the first draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 5 minutes ago, Biggs said: Everyone knows you get a mulligan on the first draft. Convince enough people that every year is Year 1 of Glorious Leader's "New and Improved" Great Leap Forward, and the mulligans can continue in perpetuity. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 1 hour ago, kevinc855 said: please expand We want to hear this I asked you to expand on the roster of 2019, and all the foundational pieces that were there, and I got crickets. You said to me "why should I do your work?". You in a more giving mood now? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNuuFaaolaExperience Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Matt39 said: Becton, Mims, Zuniga, Clark, and Perine can all be fairly dumped into the bust bucket at this point. Davis plays at least, but he is terrible. So take that for whatever. Hall looks like he’s a starter at least. The punter sucks. Crowdsourcing the 2020 draft to Jetnation posters would have been a significant improvement. No. They can't. What part of your anus do you pull this verbal feces from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTJet Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 1 hour ago, doitny said: our offense is between 20-26 in almost all the important cats . thats not awful You need higher standards bruh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 4 minutes ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said: No. They can't. What part of your anus do you pull this verbal feces from? The part where you can make the conclusion that these players are busts and never play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 5 minutes ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said: No. They can't. What part of your anus do you pull this verbal feces from? Are you implying he has a cleft a$$hole, sir? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNuuFaaolaExperience Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 Just now, Matt39 said: The part where you can make the conclusion that these players are busts and never play. I give you credit for admitting that your opinions come from where the poo comes out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 5 hours ago, JetsFanatic said: Dumbest thing this franchise can do is fire the GM who just had their best draft in years. This team is losing because the previous GMs were awful. One player one team from the 2013-19 drafts. JD is safe as he should be. It's the best time to fire him. He's likely to revert to the mean rather than duplicate a second draft above the mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNuuFaaolaExperience Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 1 minute ago, jgb said: Are you implying he has a cleft a$$hole, sir? Is cleft turdcutter a real thing? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNuuFaaolaExperience Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 Just now, Biggs said: It's the best time to fire him. He's likely to revert to the mean rather than duplicate a second draft above the mean. Likely according to whom? Is there a study on JD that we are unaware of? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 Just now, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said: Likely according to whom? Is there a study on JD that we are unaware of? Show me the data that proves any GM can draft above the mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 3 minutes ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said: Is cleft turdcutter a real thing? Never heard of figure-8 butt? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 1 minute ago, Biggs said: Show me the data that proves any GM can draft above the mean. That's self-proving unless your position is that GMs are entirely fungible. If that's your case, the defense rests before hearing the conclusion of the prosecution's closing argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNuuFaaolaExperience Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 1 minute ago, jgb said: Never heard of figure-8 butt? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNuuFaaolaExperience Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, Biggs said: Show me the data that proves any GM can draft above the mean. I don't you understand what the burden of proof is an argument. You have to demonstrate your claim. I don't have to disprove the claim that you pulled out of the air. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 3 minutes ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said: It runs in the family. Our heraldic crest includes the motto: Uno modo. Duo modi sunt. Which roughly translates to "One way in. Two ways out." 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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