jetscrazey Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 Before you jump all over me, I've moved on from Sam mentally also. I don't WANT to bring him back. But with this o-line? They'll just ruin Zach Wilson too. Why bother? After whiffing today, there are so many damn holes to fill that they might be best off trading down from #2 to get as many picks as possible. Still not the most likely outcome in my opinion, and I want Wilson personally, but this argument does look better than it did yesterday. 5 5 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 I have to agree with this. Let sam take the beating until JD is ready to solidify the OL Looks, it's only been a few hours - let's see what we end up with if the OL isn't heavily upgraded, I have to agree. You can't put a rookie behind that line and expect him to make progress. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Crusher Posted March 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 15, 2021 Exactly, why destroy another young QB? Lets just finish Sam off. 3 1 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post k-met57 Posted March 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 15, 2021 Trade Darnold. He doesn't deserve this. 4 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 sewell it is..... 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 Zach Wilson would get injured playing behind the 90’s Cowboys O-line 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post slats Posted March 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 15, 2021 I’m also disappointed that there were only two players that would’ve fortified the Jets OL, and they failed to hand out the $146M to acquire them. 7 4 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetscrazey Posted March 15, 2021 Author Share Posted March 15, 2021 Just now, slats said: I’m also disappointed that there were only two players that would’ve fortified the Jets OL, and they failed to hand out the $146M to acquire them. you seeing the names behind those 2 guys??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, The Crusher said: Exactly why destroy another young QB? Lets just finish Sam off. SAR I 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post genot Posted March 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 15, 2021 If i was Sam, i'd say trade me. To anyone. I'll be the backup somewhere. Just get me out of here. If the philosophy is get our QB killed until we hit on draft picks. I'd want out, considering the last two years of o-line play, and whats been done to upgrade. Close to nothing 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Icer Posted March 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 15, 2021 I am very excited to see Sam Darnold throw to Vyncent Smith and Breshad Perriman, being protected by Alex Lewis and Greg Van Rotten next year. 3 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embrace the Suck Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 8 minutes ago, neckdemon said: sewell it is..... Don't forget Wyatt Davis as a chaser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 1 minute ago, genot said: If i was Sam, i'd say trade me. To anyone. I'll be the backup somewhere. Just get me out of here. If the philosophy is get our QB killed until we hit on draft picks. I'd want out, considering the last two years of o-line play, and whats been done to upgrade. Close to nothing We’re trading him for a late 2nd and drafting a 21 year old Qb who already has had 2 torn shoulder labrums this will work out really well 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbt Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 Have to go OL in 2 of the 1st 3 picks? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 Just now, Philc1 said: We’re trading him for a late 2nd and drafting a 21 year old Qb who already has had 2 torn shoulder labrums this will work out really well I don't have a clue anymore. Last thing i read is Saleh and LaFluer want Sam back. Douglas is the one who thinks we should move on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Grandy Posted March 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 15, 2021 If you're that worried that you'll ruin a QB, he's probably not as good as you think. It's true we've failed to give Darnold adequate support, but as seen from recent trends, a truly good QB can overcome. We've definitely made his life harder but he still isnt good regardless. 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 13 minutes ago, Philc1 said: Zach Wilson would get injured playing behind the 90’s Cowboys O-line 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 7 minutes ago, genot said: If i was Sam, i'd say trade me. To anyone. I'll be the backup somewhere. Just get me out of here. If the philosophy is get our QB killed until we hit on draft picks. I'd want out, considering the last two years of o-line play, and whats been done to upgrade. Close to nothing They can always take out liability insurance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Grandy said: If you're that worried that you'll ruin a QB, he's probably not as good as you think. It's true we've failed to give Darnold adequate support, but as seen from recent trends, a truly good QB can overcome. We've definitely made his life harder but he still isnt good regardless. Such a silly argument. You need to support your QB - you need to develop that QB. You don't just stick him out there and say good luck. What recent trend of young QB's became good in bad situations? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1371578209104433156 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, Grandy said: If you're that worried that you'll ruin a QB, he's probably not as good as you think. It's true we've failed to give Darnold adequate support, but as seen from recent trends, a truly good QB can overcome. We've definitely made his life harder but he still isnt good regardless. Just snap the ball behind Becton. We have to think outside the box. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandy Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 4 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: Such a silly argument. You need to support your QB - you need to develop that QB. You don't just stick him out there and say good luck. What recent trend of young QB's became good in bad situations? Never said that you shouldn't, but the difference between a good and a bad QB isnt Joe Thuney. And if Zach Wilson or whoever sucks because we dont have Joe Thuney, then they would probably suck anyway. Also to answer your question; Murray, Herbert, Burrow, Watson just to think of a few. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy2020 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 22 minutes ago, k-met57 said: Trade Darnold. He doesn't deserve this. How do you know? Dude didn't get divine mono 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Grandy said: Never said that you shouldn't, but the difference between a good and a bad QB isnt Joe Thuney. Also to answer your question; Murray, Herbert, Burrow, Watson just to think of a few. You need to support a young QB. I don't care what you say...you have to help develop the kid and that starts with the OL, then getting him weapons. Right now the Jets have neither. Watson had a stacked Offense... Burrow (what happened to him?) Cardinals had the 12th best OL in the league - different type of QB too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnknownJetFan Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 29 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: I have to agree with this. Let sam take the beating until JD is ready to solidify the OL Looks, it's only been a few hours - let's see what we end up with if the OL isn't heavily upgraded, I have to agree. You can't put a rookie behind that line and expect him to make progress. In that thinking you could still take Wilson at #2, but keep Sam and let Darnold play much of next year. Sure we lose the draft picks we would get for trading down and for trading Darnold but we would still get the QB we want and use the other remaining draft picks on IOL as the priority. With that probably the 2nd 1st rounder should be a Guard to see if he can start right away. Or maybe a Solid C and move McGovern to the Guard spot. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetspenguin Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 28 minutes ago, slats said: I’m also disappointed that there were only two players that would’ve fortified the Jets OL, and they failed to hand out the $146M to acquire them. this makes too much sense to use today...please pocket comment this for another 2 weeks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 31 minutes ago, slats said: I’m also disappointed that there were only two players that would’ve fortified the Jets OL, and they failed to hand out the $146M to acquire them. Just out of curiosity. What should the Jets spend all this money on? one year deals of other teams' back-ups? This is a league of playmakers, you don't win with a team of JAGS. If you don't draft them, which we haven't. You have to spend to acquire them. I don't understand the fascination with not spending Woody Johnson's money - or care how much money Joe Thuney makes. We're nowhere near tapping out the cap and have no good players to pay. What are we saving it for? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 I'm thinking about Sanchez's comments. Didn't want to listen then. But now. Sam needs to get out of there. It isn't a QB friendly environment. First two three and outs, they'll be booing him off the field. Those comments are starting to ring true. We had a chance to significantly upgrade our o-line, and we didn't do it. Doesn't matter to me what the reasons are. We needed to do that. And we didn't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman10023 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 IT'S been ONE day. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 If people think getting thuney or Finley were all it took to turn this team around then there are a couple of bridges for sale over the east river. The point is Douglas made a good offer for thuney and he opted for a different team. That just emphasizes how important it is for the jets to build through the draft. It also emphasizes that the cap money still has to go somewhere and there are other players that fit the jets needs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: Just out of curiosity. What should the Jets spend all this money on? one year deals of other teams' back-ups? This is a league of playmakers, you don't win with a team of JAGS. If you don't draft them, which we haven't. You have to spend to acquire them. I don't understand the fascination with not spending Woody Johnson's money - or care how much money Joe Thuney makes. We're nowhere near tapping out the cap and have no good players to pay. What are we saving it for? You think it's some sort of felony. You make choices. Just because you overpay for a Thuney, doesn't mean you have to overpay for someone else. Upgrading the line was a key for the team. It allows Sam, or your newly drafted QB, to grow, without being subject to constant pressure. So, it's not just about the line. It's about your young QB whoever that might be.worth an overpay, i would say. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 1 minute ago, rangerous said: If people think getting thuney or Finley were all it took to turn this team around then there are a couple of bridges for sale over the east river. The point is Douglas made a good offer for thuney and he opted for a different team. That just emphasizes how important it is for the jets to build through the draft. It also emphasizes that the cap money still has to go somewhere and there are other players that fit the jets needs. The offer wasn't good enough. He signed elsewhere. As did Linsley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heymangold Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 SAM HOWELL 2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullblast Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 These guys choose to sign with teams who have established QBs. The longer we kick the QB issue down the road the longer the rebuild will take. If nothing else, trade Sam, draft Wilson/Fields and sign a veteran to start next season. They have to solve QB otherwise this team is just stuck in the mud. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, genot said: You think it's some sort of felony. You make choices. Just because you overpay for a Thuney, doesn't mean you have to overpay for someone else. Upgrading the line was a key for the team. It allows Sam, or your newly drafted QB, to grow, without being subject to constant pressure. So, it's not just about the line. It's about your young QB whoever that might be.worth an overpay, i would say. That's the part of it I think so many are missing. No, Thuney is not the missing piece is a championship run, the Jets are highly unlikely to win a championship while Thuney is under contract. But that's not the only reason to spend big. Right now - EVERYTHING the Jets do should be about developing a franchise QB - having a piece like him would be invaluable to a young QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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