Now MULTIPLE cases being brought against watson

[Biggs]

1 minute ago, Warfish said:

So just to be clear, your theory is that there is a massive NFL Ownership conspiracy to keep Watson down, because he is black and won't toe the 'white father', as you call it, corporate line, and they colluded with a ambulance chasing Lawyer who "had connections", i.e. lived in the same neighborhood as the Texans owner, to find and fabricate 12+ and rising alleged victims, all of whom are presumably lying as part of this conspiracy, and (we must also presume) will be compensated by the shadowy NFL Owners on the side if/when this case doesn't result in compensation for them in court?

And they're doing all of this without anyone leaking a word of it to anyone, as yet.

No it's not my theory.  There were lots of people on this board making the argument that Houston would have no incentive to discount an asset.  The Houston team along with the entire NFL biggest asset when it comes to players is control.  If it's in play it's probably local.  I can't see the NFL in a conspiracy after lamely being caught in the Kap blackballing.   I can see a billionaire owner wanting to absolute destroy a guy he paid millions of dollars to who is openly challenging his control over his players.  The Houston owner made Watson the face of his franchise and a multi-millionaire.  Watson has crapped all over him.

It doesn't look great for Watson right now.  If he did what they said he did he's a sexual predator and dangerous.  We also haven't heard the defense side of this.  Based on hearing one side of the story it looks pretty bad for him.  I suspect he will get a vigorous defense.  I also suspect the Houston ownership hates his guts, they are powerful people and would want to destroy him.  

 

[playtowinthegame]

Every day there's more lawsuits...will it make it to 30? His girlfriend gonna need a huge Vanessa Bryant type diamond ring to stay with him.

[jetophile]

17 hours ago, johnnysd said:

Even for the most legitimate completely non sexual massage you fully disrobe. In fact the masseuses I know hate it when their clients insist on trying to wear clothes as it makes their job more difficult, and it can be done in a way that maintains complete modesty.

I have no doubt that Watson was looking for happy endings. And there are probably many not in these plaintiffs that provided it, the question becomes how aggressive past just asking was he?

No kidding. Of course I know that, it was to demonstrate a point. Parameters are agreed upon before any touching on any level takes place, but if things deviate from that agreement then that's a breach of professional trust and a huge no-no. 

Again, see life drawing. Speaking further of agreement, it doesn't concern me or affect my life how people get their kink on as long as it's a mutually agreed-upon encounter(s) and no one is physically harmed or feels violated in any way. 

There's that word agreement again, because the guy is just stupid and exercised zero self-preservation. Whatever happened to discreetly escorting sex workers through the underground tunnels of the White House? ?

[RutgersJetFan]

45 minutes ago, Warfish said:

So just to be clear, your theory is that there is a massive NFL Ownership conspiracy to keep Watson down, because he is black and won't toe the 'white father', as you call it, corporate line, and they colluded with a ambulance chasing Lawyer who "had connections", i.e. lived in the same neighborhood as the Texans owner, to find and fabricate 12+ and rising alleged victims, all of whom are presumably lying as part of this conspiracy, and (we must also presume) will be compensated by the shadowy NFL Owners on the side if/when this case doesn't result in compensation for them in court?

And they're doing all of this without anyone leaking a word of it to anyone, as yet.

Yes.

[HighPitch]

27 minutes ago, Biggs said:

No it's not my theory.  There were lots of people on this board making the argument that Houston would have no incentive to discount an asset.  The Houston team along with the entire NFL biggest asset when it comes to players is control.  If it's in play it's probably local.  I can't see the NFL in a conspiracy after lamely being caught in the Kap blackballing.   I can see a billionaire owner wanting to absolute destroy a guy he paid millions of dollars to who is openly challenging his control over his players.  The Houston owner made Watson the face of his franchise and a multi-millionaire.  Watson has crapped all over him.

It doesn't look great for Watson right now.  If he did what they said he did he's a sexual predator and dangerous.  We also haven't heard the defense side of this.  Based on hearing one side of the story it looks pretty bad for him.  I suspect he will get a vigorous defense.  I also suspect the Houston ownership hates his guts, they are powerful people and would want to destroy him.  

 

Well i respectfully disagree. I feel your position is bizarre tbqh.

First off, most players are black and contract disputes arise constantly. Why just Watson?

And why would the Texans screw themselves by fabricating such an elaborate, sinister plan? Their smarter option would be to trade him for a haul of 1st rounders. Now, nobody wants him. He certainly isnt happy to play for them and could face an nfl ban.

Why would the Texans do this? 
 

In life when searching for answers you need to explore the simplest, most likely and often times boring option. Its FAR more likely hes a perv. He clearly went to get massages very often. Thats not in dispute. So the most likely scenario is that there is truth in what he is being accused of vs the very very far fetched and risky alternative you have presented

[Mike135]

6 hours ago, Irish Jet said:

It’s 13 lawsuits and Buzbee says he has spoken to 10 other women who’ve made similar claims. I am aware nothing has been proven yet and the process will play out but this is an atrocious look for anyone. 

People quite often don’t report abuse out of fear or embarrassment, especially for someone with the status of an NFL star. It’s an intimidating process. There’s no right or wrong way to go about it.

 

5 hours ago, Patriot Killa said:

It’s sad when people enjoy a sport so much that they completely turn their head to the very realization that a woman was most likely attacked. I agree with waiting things like this out but it’s looking real and it’s looking disgusting. There is evidence & evidence without the “ “ and it’s looking like Watson is a piece of garbage. a true monster. All some of you can say is “WELL I HOPE MIAMI DOESNT GET UM” or “WELL GOOD I HOPE THIS DRIVES THE PRICE DOWN” ... it’s quite ****ed actually.

13 women is bad. Agreed.
But then you'd have to ask with 13 different situations, wouldn't there be some evidence?

Again, there is at least one report (I've only read 2 of the 13) that states a manager being involved. DW only paid $100 instead of the agreed upon $300. And it was her first massage for the company.
Now I'm not sure if he paid the masseuse or the manager, but the report states the masseuse asked the manager why DW only paid $100.
Think about just that one situation. You're a manager and your brand new employee gives you 33% of what you were expecting. Don't you ask questions? Don't you follow up about a high profile client being disappointed with the service?

How isn't there some paper trail of a complaint? And if the manager knew about the sexual assault... they would have had to file a police report.

At bare minimum, someone needs to speak to the manager. If the manager says something like, yeah she said she was sexually assaulted but I just didn't report it because... (it's so common, or he's famous)... then yeah that would qualify as some proof.

And that's just one of the thirteen. There has to be some other possible way to investigate some of the others.

That's all I'm waiting for.

[Beerfish]

1 hour ago, doitny said:

i did say AFTER it was settled. meaning after the police dont charge him and the NFL hands out there suspension. 

You said we should trade our #2 and seattles next year pick.  Tough to trade #2 AFTER

[BroadwayRay]

11 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

And this outcome should surprise no one. May I present before the court, these lovely men who still found a comfy, welcome home in the NFL after their indiscretions were made public:

• Exhibit A: Michael Vick / Ron Mexico knowingly spreading herpes everywhere
• Exhibit B: Michael Vick / dog fighting & killing
• Exhibit ? Ben Roethlisberger / rape. twice. he likes rape.
• Exhibit D : Brett Favre / texting his dick pics to women
• Exhibits E/F: Jameis Winston & Peyton Manning / maybe or probably rape in college
• Exhibit G: Greg Olsen / his G-Reg rap bragging about giving Ugu to Undergrads (now you know what The U stands for)
• Exhibit H: Kareem Hunt / kicked that woman in a hotel hallway, with video evidence
• Exhibit I: Adrian Peterson / whipped his 4 year-old son's testicles with a tree branch
• Exhibit J: Plaxico Burress / felony gun possession & discharging it (most comically, I might add)
• Exhibit K: Quinnen Williams / felony gun possession in an international airport (a relative choir boy on this list)
• Exhibit L: Michael Irvin / crackhead & rapist, still on TV somehow
• Exhibit M: Ray Lewis / murderer (how'd it take me this long to remember this one?)
• Exhibit N: DeSean Jackson / "Hitler was right" ignoramus & bigot
• Exhibit O: Antonio Cromartie / knocking up however many women & couldn't name all his kids on camera
• Exhibit P: Josh Brown / wife beater (pretty sure his team(s) knew well beforehand
• Exhibit Q: Tom Brady / caught cheating
• Exhibit R: Bill Belichick / caught cheating
• Exhibit S: Donte Stallworth / intoxicated manslaughter
• Exhibit T: Sheldon Richardson / stoned driving on a high speed (143mph) car chase fleeing cops with a 12 yr old in the back seat
• Exhibits...whatever after that, I'm getting tired of re-lettering this one after thinking of more above: Brady, Rodgers, Cam, Rivers, Tiki (among others) / just insufferable 

I only don't want him if every other team agrees to not want him either, and he's guaranteed to get suspended for 5 years even if there are teams willing. 

Remember 20 years of bragging how, "Oh yeah, well at least we're not cheaters," to feel good about our dignified loserdom? Good times.

What a ****ing dirtbag all the same, though. The **** is wrong with him? This guy never heard of a call girl, he's got to get it / force it from someone who doesn't want to give it to him? The only thing he seems innocent of is not being quite as bad as a number of the guys on the list above. But he's worse than plenty of them. Allegedly.

You're talking about Watson being accused of being a serial sexual predator. If the accusations turn out to be credible, that's not going to just be swept under the rug like Kareem Hunt kicking a woman with his shin in a hotel hallway.  

[Ghost]

3 hours ago, isired said:

 

You think all 14 woman in the suits already filed are lying? And the 10 or more additional that have contacted the lawyer (and are presumably being vetted)? All are lying?

I hope you're right, for everyone's sake, but I just don't see a dozen+ women accusing the guy of basically the same thing and they're all lying. Time will tell, I guess.

I do honestly. Women look at these athletes like missing treasure. They have the potential for a huge payout. 

[ZachEY]

24 minutes ago, Mike135 said:

But then you'd have to ask with 13 different situations, wouldn't there be some evidence?

Just curious what evidence would look like?

Imagine you and your wife are lying in bed tonight... Without warning, you put down your phone, pause House Hunters International, and decide you want to get laid.  So, you start getting a little physical with her.

She pushes you away, complaining of being tired from work and putting the kids to bed, and wanting to see if they end up with the modern, but small flat downtown or the cozy cottage outside the city with the fountain in the yard, despite the fact that you've both seen this episode before and she's been scrolling through instagram the whole time.

You unpause the show, and log back in to jet nation dot com, committed to finishing reading that @Sperm Edwards post you started 20 minutes ago.

What is the hard evidence you touched her when she didn't want it?

[Mike135]

1 minute ago, TeddEY said:

Just curious what evidence would look like?

I explained in the post what the evidence would be in that one situation.

Speak to the manager.

[ZachEY]

Just now, Mike135 said:

I explained in the post what the evidence would be in that one situation.

Speak to the manager.

I'm struggling to understand how a discrepancy in payment is evidence in either direction of sexual assualt.

Was the manager supposed to ask Watson about payment, and Watson was supposed to say, we'll I was expecting a hand job, and I only pay 300 for massages with a hand job.  No Handjob is only worth about 100.

[RutgersJetFan]

4 minutes ago, Mike135 said:

I explained in the post what the evidence would be in that one situation.

Speak to the manager.

You’re the one leading up this investigation, maybe you should speak to him. 

[Biggs]

37 minutes ago, HighPitch said:

Well i respectfully disagree. I feel your position is bizarre tbqh.

First off, most players are black and contract disputes arise constantly. Why just Watson?

And why would the Texans screw themselves by fabricating such an elaborate, sinister plan? Their smarter option would be to trade him for a haul of 1st rounders. Now, nobody wants him. He certainly isnt happy to play for them and could face an nfl ban.

Why would the Texans do this? 
 

In life when searching for answers you need to explore the simplest, most likely and often times boring option. Its FAR more likely hes a perv. He clearly went to get massages very often. Thats not in dispute. So the most likely scenario is that there is truth in what he is being accused of vs the very very far fetched and risky alternative you have presented

This isn't a contract dispute.  Watson has shat all over the Texans owners and organization.  This is personal and there is more value in establishing control over their players than getting draft picks.  NFL owners don't get screwed for putting a bad team on the field. (See Woody Johnson as an example) They get treated the same as owners who put good teams on the field.  NFL owners who allow the face of their franchise to dictate that he won't play for them based on the perception that they are awful people having nothing to do with the contract is something I haven't really seen before.  I think allowing that narrative to be out there without challenging it is extremely dangerous for the Texans owners.  Adams blew his way out of town but we all know it was about a contract dispute and money.

FYI I don't find your position bizarre.  It's reasonable and probably true.  However, I don't think it's bizarre to think the Texans ownership is fuming over Watson's position or that it's bizarre for very rich and powerful people to extract retribution.   I think it's normal and obvious.  (See the entirety of human history as an example) 

As far as it's far more likely that he is a perv.  Again that's based on one side of the story.  We don't really know who these women are, their credibility and we certainly haven't heard from other men who they may have provided professional message services for.  All the relevant information that he might not be a perv hasn't been presented so of course right now the narrative points in that direction.   Of course if they are credible and he did it, he should be prosecuted and if they were damaged he should pay.  

There is nothing normal and obvious about this.  Everything surrounding Watson is insane right now.  You're probably right.  

 

 

 

[Mike135]

1 minute ago, RutgersJetFan said:

You’re the one leading up this investigation, maybe you should speak to him. 

Buz or DW, my services to the highest bidder.

PM me!

[Mike135]

3 minutes ago, TeddEY said:

I'm struggling to understand how a discrepancy in payment is evidence in either direction of sexual assualt.

Was the manager supposed to ask Watson about payment, and Watson was supposed to say, we'll I was expecting a hand job, and I only pay 300 for massages with a hand job.  No Handjob is only worth about 100.

Brand new employee. 

They earn a third of what was agreed upon.

Don't you find out what went wrong?

If not, that is one really bad manager.

[The Crusher]

14 minutes ago, TeddEY said:

Just curious what evidence would look like?

Imagine you and your wife are lying in bed tonight... Without warning, you put down your phone, pause House Hunters International, and decide you want to get laid.  So, you start getting a little physical with her.

She pushes you away, complaining of being tired from work and putting the kids to bed, and wanting to see if they end up with the modern, but small flat downtown or the cozy cottage outside the city with the fountain in the yard, despite the fact that you've both seen this episode before and she's been scrolling through instagram the whole time.

You unpause the show, and log back in to jet nation dot com, committed to finishing reading that @Sperm Edwards post you started 20 minutes ago.

What is the hard evidence you touched her when she didn't want it?

Your wedding license?

[BROOKLYN JET]

Recap...

@T0mShane endorses Watson to the Jets.

Watson says he would play for the Jets.

Watson's career is promptly flushed down the toilet.

The curse is that strong.

 

[jetswin]

well, if anything has been proven with all this Watson does in fact have a quick release

[ZachEY]

28 minutes ago, Mike135 said:

Brand new employee. 

They earn a third of what was agreed upon.

Don't you find out what went wrong?

If not, that is one really bad manager.

You're conflating massage manager with trained investigator.

In all likelihood, he says he was unhappy with the service, she doesn't want to lose her new job, so she says nothing.

[Mike135]

Just now, TeddEY said:

You're conflating massage manager with trained investigator.

In all likelihood, he says he was unhappy with the service, she doesn't want to lose her new job, so she says nothing.

Sorry, to me anyways, doesn't add up.

If the manager said something similar after being questioned, that'd be another knock against the accusations imo.

[isired]

I do honestly. Women look at these athletes like missing treasure. They have the potential for a huge payout. 

Doesn't it also require that the already-wealthy lawyer is willing to coordinate their stories and suborn perjury, risking his career?

[DetroitRed]

Are any of these women going public? or do they remain anonymous and just sign up for a piece of the pie?  Sorry, I still do not buy it

[slimjasi]

Houston already messed this whole thing up. They should have dealt him weeks ago. They would have easily gotten 3+ first rounders for him, along with a ton of other assets. 

[doitny]

35 minutes ago, Mike135 said:

 

13 women is bad. Agreed.
But then you'd have to ask with 13 different situations, wouldn't there be some evidence?

Again, there is at least one report (I've only read 2 of the 13) that states a manager being involved. DW only paid $100 instead of the agreed upon $300. And it was her first massage for the company.
Now I'm not sure if he paid the masseuse or the manager, but the report states the masseuse asked the manager why DW only paid $100.
Think about just that one situation. You're a manager and your brand new employee gives you 33% of what you were expecting. Don't you ask questions? Don't you follow up about a high profile client being disappointed with the service?

How isn't there some paper trail of a complaint? And if the manager knew about the sexual assault... they would have had to file a police report.

At bare minimum, someone needs to speak to the manager. If the manager says something like, yeah she said she was sexually assaulted but I just didn't report it because... (it's so common, or he's famous)... then yeah that would qualify as some proof.

And that's just one of the thirteen. There has to be some other possible way to investigate some of the others.

That's all I'm waiting for.

me too

you got to figure with 13 confirmed and another 10 who contacted the lawyer there has to be some evidence. im not talking about a blue dress, there wont be any of that. and i know women dont come out with this stuff right away.

but at least one women had to text a friend, even if it was just, ...Mary please call me i had a horrible night last night....

or you might have a text that helps DW .... OMG Mary your no going to believe this, i just gave a massage to DW last night. it was the greatest night of my life....

thats why im glad the police are involved. they will check everyones calls, texts, emails, do interviews.  

too many women, there must be something out there.

which makes me believe nothing is out there.

why would he just paid the settlement already. didnt the lawyer make another offer? instead of having his name dragged thru the mud. and Buzzbee isn't shy about posting evidence. didnt he post a text message that wasnt bad at all. apparently Buzzbee wants to end this with money instead of going to court. 

 

[isired]

Brand new employee. 
They earn a third of what was agreed upon.
Don't you find out what went wrong?
If not, that is one really bad manager.

I'd bet he knew exactly what went wrong - seems like something that wouldn't be unheard of in that line of work.

You're conflating massage manager with trained investigator.
In all likelihood, he says he was unhappy with the service, she doesn't want to lose her new job, so she says nothing.

Which lines up with the second time she saw him - she says she didn't realize it wa she same guy until she saw him, which led to the discussion / him admitting he was being inappropriate, and her telling him she was a lesbian. She didn't leave because she didn't want to get the manager mad at her.

[Mike135]

Can't help but think Texan ownership is sitting back, feet up, sipping whiskey...

"Ha these upity players think they can control things?  Now this prick's life/career is ruined.  Bet this won't happen again."

[chrisfaceoff]

10 minutes ago, Mike135 said:

Can't help but think Texan ownership is sitting back, feet up, sipping whiskey...

"Ha these upity players think they can control things?  Now this prick's life/career is ruined.  Bet this won't happen again."

It’s sad to think some people would act that way but with everything we know about how that team operates, I completely agree. 
 

as for Watson, the more this goes on the worse it looks for him. My gut tells me that I’m sure that even though there are some fake claims probably included, there is some legitimacy to this. If that is true, screw Watson. 
 

still trying to reserve judgement until we know more. 

[football guy]

30 minutes ago, DetroitRed said:

Are any of these women going public? or do they remain anonymous and just sign up for a piece of the pie?  Sorry, I still do not buy it

I kind of feel the same way. The turning point would be if a criminal case is filed, but at the same time, the reason a criminal case has not been filed is because these girls opted against going to the police in the first place. It's a sticky situation because if the girl were to call the police, a criminal investigation gets opened, but they don't have enough evidence, it weakens their civil case (even though its not supposed to). If they get the ball rolling on the civil case, the plaintiff controls it, as opposed to criminal where the state/federal court do. 

My guess is that the prosecutor is researching/trying to collect evidence now in order to determine whether or not they'll file their own case against Watson. If that happens, you can bank on Watson being placed on the commissioner's exempt list for the duration of the 2021 season until a trail completes. 

[slimjasi]

25 minutes ago, Mike135 said:

Can't help but think Texan ownership is sitting back, feet up, sipping whiskey...

"Ha these upity players think they can control things?  Now this prick's life/career is ruined.  Bet this won't happen again."

His career isn't ruined. 

He'll be ridiculed for awhile, but we'll see him on the field again throwing TD passes. Players have come back from considerably worse allegations, IMO. 

[Mike135]

4 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

His career isn't ruined. 

He'll be ridiculed for awhile, but we'll see him on the field again throwing TD passes. Players have come back from considerably worse allegations, IMO. 

Sure, but the job is close to done.  If teams end up not going after DW this offseason, the damage was done.

Plus, imagine facing your: mom, aunts, nieces...  at your next family gathering after this.  Gotta suck.

[Jets Things]

12 minutes ago, football guy said:

I kind of feel the same way. The turning point would be if a criminal case is filed, but at the same time, the reason a criminal case has not been filed is because these girls opted against going to the police in the first place. It's a sticky situation because if the girl were to call the police, a criminal investigation gets opened, 

Ewwwwwwwwww

[Beerfish]

Funny how people here are defending Watson and still blasting houston ownership when there was not been anything I have seen substantiated re Houston ownership and their 'perceived' misdeeds.

Now we are seeing wild foolish conspiracy theories that Houston is happy to totally screw their team and fans to teach a guy a lesson.

what utter Balderdash.

[nycdan]

1 hour ago, TeddEY said:

Just curious what evidence would look like?

Imagine you and your wife are lying in bed tonight... Without warning, you put down your phone, pause House Hunters International, and decide you want to get laid.  So, you start getting a little physical with her.

She pushes you away, complaining of being tired from work and putting the kids to bed, and wanting to see if they end up with the modern, but small flat downtown or the cozy cottage outside the city with the fountain in the yard, despite the fact that you've both seen this episode before and she's been scrolling through instagram the whole time.

You unpause the show, and log back in to jet nation dot com, committed to finishing reading that @Sperm Edwards post you started 20 minutes ago.

What is the hard evidence you touched her when she didn't want it?

Usually the new black eye you didn't have yesterday is compelling evidence.

[jetstream23]

1 hour ago, TeddEY said:

I'm struggling to understand how a discrepancy in payment is evidence in either direction of sexual assualt.

Was the manager supposed to ask Watson about payment, and Watson was supposed to say, we'll I was expecting a hand job, and I only pay 300 for massages with a hand job.  No Handjob is only worth about 100.

 

No idea but one thing I'm sure of...... Joe Douglas would only offer $65 but he'd also try to trade out of his masseuse for a less experienced one if it got the price down to $35.