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7 hours ago, Mike135 said:

We need a lawyer to chime in.

I thought the accused always had the right to face their accuser.

 

Edit:  The Confrontation Clause of the Sixth Amendment to the United States Constitution provides that "in all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right…to be confronted with the witnesses against him." Generally, the right is to have a face-to-face confrontation with witnesses who are offering testimonial

You rang? RJF is correct. There isn't even a need to have these women testify at trial if there was sufficient evidence without their testimony, though that's essentially impossible in this case. But yes, he's in deep sh*t.

Especially because if the Houston DA decides to prosecute the forced oral sex claim, the other claims can likely come in as evidence that he had a pattern and intent (usually, evidence of other bad acts is inadmissible, but there are exceptions. I'm not a criminal lawyer so this is more memory talking than muscle memory, so take it with a grain of salt ... but I'd be damn worried if I were him)

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25 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

The anti jet gods made Watson into a felon? Seems the anti jet gods put him in the perfect scenario to be a non-Jet with everything a reasonable person could have ever wanted in life. Being paid $39MM/yr (not counting an incalculable amount for various endorsements) to have to deal with a lesser WR1 and crappy 2020 roster (plus his hot af girlfriend, judging from the one picture I recall) pales in comparison to most peoples’ real problems.

I wanted him as badly as anyone, and I’m sure more than most. This is gross regardless of all the what-about examples, including ones even worse and more depraved than these. Even in rationalizing worse behavior by other NFL players, which clubs have done plenty, in this case the Jets need to move on. I wanted him because I saw him as the best option right now, not omg it’s impossible to win without him. And anyway, in light of the crazy volume of accusations - credible ones - that’s no longer the case. 

Anyway this is all his own doing, not due to the supernatural. It’s tough to see; he was supposed to be one of the good ones off the field.

Why can't people accept the simple fact that in this society someone can have a "public face"

and a "private face".  Watson's "public face" got him a lot of social media praise but his "private face"

has caught up to him.  This is the reason he was pushing so hard to leave HOU, he knew the cases

were coming

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11 minutes ago, KRL said:

Why can't people accept the simple fact that in this society someone can have a "public face"

and a "private face".  Watson's "public face" got him a lot of social media praise but his "private face"

has caught up to him.  This is the reason he was pushing so hard to leave HOU, he knew the cases

were coming

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48 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

The anti jet gods made Watson into a felon? Seems the anti jet gods put him in the perfect scenario to be a non-Jet with everything a reasonable person could have ever wanted in life. Being paid $39MM/yr (not counting an incalculable amount for various endorsements) to have to deal with a lesser WR1 and crappy 2020 roster (plus his hot af girlfriend, judging from the one picture I recall) pales in comparison to most peoples’ real problems.

I wanted him as badly as anyone, and I’m sure more than most. This is gross regardless of all the what-about examples, including ones even worse and more depraved than these. Even in rationalizing worse behavior by other NFL players, which clubs have done plenty, in this case the Jets need to move on. I wanted him because I saw him as the best option right now, not omg it’s impossible to win without him. And anyway, in light of the crazy volume of accusations - credible ones - that’s no longer the case. 

Anyway this is all his own doing, not due to the supernatural. It’s tough to see; he was supposed to be one of the good ones off the field.

Totally agree.  My "whoa is me" and the Jets continued bad luck/misery was meant as humor but this isn't the time or place for it.  My apologies to all.  

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1 hour ago, KRL said:

Why can't people accept the simple fact that in this society someone can have a "public face"

and a "private face".  Watson's "public face" got him a lot of social media praise but his "private face"

has caught up to him.  This is the reason he was pushing so hard to leave HOU, he knew the cases

were coming

I think people can believe it. It's just more in line with a good public face getting someone the initial benefit of the doubt. Sometimes in the end that's shown to have been justified, sometimes not. 

There were plenty who were skeptical initially, not just because of his public face, but also because of the seemingly-coincidental timing; once it changed from just 1 woman or then 2-3 women, to upwards of 6-7 and now I don't even know but isn't it approaching 20? That public perception benefit of the doubt runs out eventually.

Yeah some might still cling to it but they seem to be in the small minority of fans at this point.

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1 hour ago, Warfish said:

Counter Argument:  Extremely Rich people get away with crimes (and lesser bad actions) vastly more often than normal folks.

If he was you or I, we'd be screwed.

He will likely be fine long term, he'll lose alot of money, and his image will take a deep hit (although many won't care, as this thread itself shows), but he will likely play NFL Football again, and continue to make additional millions when it's all said and done, even if he is 100% guilty of what he's been accused.

Haves and have not's.  Always better to be a have.

Yup. This is what will happen. The accusers will get paid but there will be no criminal charges. 

I'm interested to see the reaction wherever he goes although I'd put money on this keeping him in Houston. They already have him and I don't think sticking with him is quite as bad a look as someone going out and getting him. 

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2 hours ago, Doggin94it said:

You rang? RJF is correct. There isn't even a need to have these women testify at trial if there was sufficient evidence without their testimony, though that's essentially impossible in this case. But yes, he's in deep sh*t.

Especially because if the Houston DA decides to prosecute the forced oral sex claim, the other claims can likely come in as evidence that he had a pattern and intent (usually, evidence of other bad acts is inadmissible, but there are exceptions. I'm not a criminal lawyer so this is more memory talking than muscle memory, so take it with a grain of salt ... but I'd be damn worried if I were him)

Im not a lawyer. In OJ's criminal case they we're allowed to present evidence of domestic violence. Defense argued that it was prejudicial and didn't move the needle on if he could commit murder. That was a death penalty case. In a DW trial the judge will have more leeway because the penalty isn't as severe. In other words. DW is in big do-do.

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The more that comes out, the more disgusting it is.  Deshaun's an a-hole, addicted predator.  

On the strictly football side of this, I still think it's not bad enough for a lifetime ban assuming the "forced oral", is not proven.

If there are no criminal charges, I think Watson can settle the civil suits and be suspended and come back.

If there are criminal charges, or if the civil charges go to trial, look for his defense to go full Kobe and dig into the accusers pasts.  If they ever gave a happy ending or cheated on their taxes, they will find out.  Kobe's team destroyed the victim until she had to give up.

I still think Deshaun could go full Tiger here and come clean to the improper but not illegal behavior.  Apologize, admit an addiction, seek help, settle, donate to the causes, rehab and redemption.   There's too many accusers now for the complete denial strategy he's using.  

Tigers' and Deshaun's cases are different, but that's not the point.

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, dcJet said:

The more that comes out, the more disgusting it is.  Deshaun's an a-hole, addicted predator.  

On the strictly football side of this, I still think it's not bad enough for a lifetime ban assuming the "forced oral", is not proven.

If there are no criminal charges, I think Watson can settle the civil suits and be suspended and come back.

If there are criminal charges, or if the civil charges go to trial, look for his defense to go full Kobe and dig into the accusers pasts.  If they ever gave a happy ending or cheated on their taxes, they will find out.  Kobe's team destroyed the victim until she had to give up.

I still think Deshaun could go full Tiger here and come clean to the improper but not illegal behavior.  Apologize, admit an addiction, seek help, settle, donate to the causes, rehab and redemption.   There's too many accusers now for the complete denial strategy he's using.  

Tigers' and Deshaun's cases are different, but that's not the point.

 

 

 

To my knowledge Tiger was 100% consensual. It sounds like nothing consensual at all with Deshaun. No idea how this ultimately plays out, but money usually prevails, and fans have a very short memory when it comes to athletic prowess. 

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1 hour ago, playtowinthegame said:

I just finished reading the SI article regarding "Mary's" accounts of what happened during a massage session. Where is the "smoking gun" in the DM's? I'm believe he likely did those things, but I don't see the "smoking gun" so to speak to convict him beyond a reasonable doubt in a criminal case.

And that's exactly why no Criminal charges have been filled as yet.   Criminal chargers or not, they ar going to kill him in the Preponderance of evidence civil cases.

 

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8 minutes ago, Flea Flicking Frank said:

To my knowledge Tiger was 100% consensual. It sounds like nothing consensual at all with Deshaun. No idea how this ultimately plays out, but money usually prevails, and fans have a very short memory when it comes to athletic prowess. 

Yep.  Wasn't using the Tiger case as a comparison... just using the Tiger redemption strategy.

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This keeps getting more interesting.

 

18 massage therapists, with names attached, voice support for Deshaun Watson

Posted by Mike Florio on March 31, 2021, 1:37 PM EDT
 
 
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None of the 21 women who have sued Texans quarterback Deshaun Watson of misconduct during massages have attached their names to the lawsuits. On Wednesday, 18 message therapists who have worked with Watson issued comments regarding his behavior during massage sessions.

All 18 have attached their names to their statements, which were provided to PFT by Watson’s lawyer, Rusty Hardin.

The 18 massage therapists are: Myah Roberson, Sara Fetherolf, Kaleigh Galindo, Masako Jones, Luretia Dany Craig, Norma Reyna, Kam Phommyuong, Nalisha Storm, Dr. Arielle Ball, Jas Brooks, Ashley Thomas, LaWonda Howard, Nadiyah Luqman, Ana Compean, Raechal Martin, Joanne Brito, Tina Nguyen, and Kya Hillman.

The statements extend beyond vouching for Watson, however. Some criticize and/or challenge the plaintiffs.

Said Roberson of Watson: “I started working with Deshaun in December 2019 after being referred to him by another therapist. He sent me a screenshot of a diagram that the head trainer of the Texans gave him, highlighting the muscles that needed to be worked on, which included the groin and hamstrings. He asked if I felt comfortable working on those areas and I said yes, because I am used to working on athletes. During the massage, Deshaun was more comfortable using a towel than draping sheets over the table; this isn’t unusual at all. I have several clients that prefer using a towel over sheet. We began using a towel, and that became the norm. When I saw that the first lawsuit mentioned a towel, I chuckled because I gave him that idea. And it’s not inappropriate because they teach you in massage school that using a towel is okay. Some of these accusations are so ludicrous. I just can’t see him doing any of those things. He was never inappropriate with me. I never felt threatened in any way.”

From Fetherolf: “On July 16, 2020, I performed a very thorough massage on Deshaun, focusing on his lower back, hips and groin, at a home he was renting while visiting Los Angeles. He is one of the most professional athletes I ever worked on. When the session was over, Deshaun helped me put away my table and walked me to my car. Because it was already quite late, Deshaun texted me during my drive home to make sure I had gotten home safely. My experience was nothing like the plaintiffs are describing. I don’t believe they are being truthful.”

From Galindo: “I worked on Deshaun Watson several times from August to December in 2020. He was respectful in every session. I never had any issues with him being inappropriate. Focus areas requested were hip flexors, groin [adductors], glutes, hamstrings, quads, lower back, abdominals. These are common areas of strain with pro athletes, especially those who play his position. He was always hospitable and communicated to make sure I always felt comfortable and safe. Many people idolize Deshaun Watson and perceive him as a legend. However, in getting to know him, I know he’s just your regular 25-year-old.”

From Jones: “I have worked with Deshaun several times since October 2019 and he’s never been anything other than professional and polite. We would focus on areas that were strained or injured, his shoulder, quads, calves, adductors, glutes, feet, things like that. That’s not odd or inappropriate; you have to think about how athletes use their bodies, the stances they’re in, how they move during games. All of those areas are typical, especially for football players. Deshaun never made me feel uncomfortable or intimidated. He’s rather quiet compared to other professional athletes I’ve worked with. I am just completely floored by these lawsuits. The behavior described in them doesn’t sound like him at all. I can’t even imagine him saying those things or doing those things.”

From Craig: “I massaged Deshaun three times. He was always pleasant. I never had any uncomfortable or inappropriate experiences with him. He often listened to his music and said very little. During my career, unfortunately I have experienced inappropriate situations where I stopped a massage. This never happened with Deshaun. He was respectful to my craft. Deshaun specifically came to me requesting I work on his lower body. I worked his hamstrings, quadriceps as well as his glutes and lower abs. Asking for these muscle groups to be massaged is not uncommon for athletes. Working those muscles from origin to insertion is imperative to properly treat the muscle. If a therapist is inexperienced in this type of work, I could imagine it may make them uncomfortable trying to translate the ‘layman’s’ suggestion on how to stop the discomfort. It is important for a therapist to talk through any request with the client to determine exactly what hurts; as even the most educated person loses their anatomy knowledge when in pain.”

From Reyna: “I frequently observed Deshaun attending sessions with another therapist who works in the same building next door to me. I have never observed Deshaun acting in an inappropriate manner and he never appeared to make anyone uncomfortable. He was always cordial when he walked by. Glutes, lower abs, psoas and adductors are very common areas for athletes – both males and females – to request their therapists to work on. You must release the psoas and gluteal muscles to release tension in the lower back. There’s a proper and professional way to address this area with proper draping and communication. When working the adductors and groin/pelvic area, it is not uncommon to accidentally graze the penis, but you don’t engage it. I teach my students to use a firmer touch or to move to a different area if a client gets aroused during a session, which sometimes happens. There’s a professional way to deal with it. If a therapist feels uncomfortable at any time during the session, he or she has the ability to end the session and immediately file a complaint with the Texas Department of Licensing and Regulations and vice versa. You don’t get a lawyer and file a lawsuit or go to the news media. You file a complaint immediately.”

From Phommyuong: “I first met Deshaun about three years ago. He was a regular of ours, and I worked on him twice — both times a combo Tai and deep tissue massage. He wore boxers for both sessions. I found him to very polite and respectful. I didn’t even know he was a professional football player during his first appointment. Myself and my co-workers were really shocked to hear about the lawsuits and allegations, because Deshaun never hinted at or did anything improper.”

From Storm: “Deshaun first contacted me in February of this year by direct message on Instagram after he saw a flyer that I had posted. I have worked on him two times and in both instances he asked for a sports massage with a focus on his abs, abductors, thighs and glutes. Each session lasted an hour and he supplied the draping towel, which was the size of a beach towel. Deshaun was very respectful and professional towards me. He was also very quiet, listening to music on his phone. After each session, he thanked me and said he would be contacting me again for another massage.”

From Dr. Ball: “I worked with Deshaun several times in 2019 and 2020. He was very quiet during our sessions, often played his music and zoned out. Like most athletes, he requested that I focus on his hamstrings, abs and adductors. He never made me uncomfortable and was always professional during our sessions.”

From Brooks: “I began providing massage therapy to Deshaun in 2018 and have massaged him at least 40 times since then. I worked with him once or twice a week during the season and as needed during the off season. Early on, he said he wanted me to focus on his hamstrings [he had a trainer that worked on his upper body] and just to work the lactic acid out of his legs. This included the groin, glutes and feet. He never asked me any questions and hardly ever spoke at all. In all that time, I never had a single uncomfortable or inappropriate experience with Deshaun.”

From Thomas: “I first worked on Deshaun at a hotel in Houston in December of 2019 after reaching out to him on Instagram. I remember Clemson was in town that day for a football game and Deshaun watched it during his session. Before the appointment, he laid out what he wanted in very clear terms: he was only interested in a professional massage. I worked on him four or five times total, the last time being in June 2020. He was always pretty quiet and never anything but respectful, he was the sweetest guy. The sessions were very professional – he arrived, got his massage, and he left. I’ve never heard anything negative about him and I was completely thrown off guard by the recent allegations.”

From Howard: “I first met Deshaun about a year ago when he reached out on Instagram. I had two therapy sessions with him, both of which were uneventful. On the first, he was just focused on his areas of concern and the pressure. He listened to music and scrolled on his phone on the second session. He was never inappropriate or did anything to make me feel uncomfortable. He asked that I focus on areas that are typical for athletes: glutes, hamstrings, quads and groin. He was appropriately and properly draped with a towel, which is common with sports clients. Deshaun was respectful before, during and after both visits. I am puzzled by the allegations in the lawsuits and in the media, as they are not consistent with Deshaun’s character.”

From Luqman: “I massaged Deshaun on August 12, 2020 at my office in Houston. He asked me to pay attention to his glutes, hamstrings and abductors. This was consistent with requests I have received from other athletes I have worked with in the past. He was always respectful and quiet, and I never felt uncomfortable.”

From Compean: “I first met Deshaun in 2017 at a spa where I worked, which he would visit once or twice a week. I worked on him six or seven times over the next three years. He would always want his back, shoulder and arms massaged, and he asked for deep tissue massages as well. Deshaun was always draped during massages and a couple of times he even asked for an extra towel because he was cold. He was completely covered. He never said much during the massage, he was very quiet. He would always say ‘yes ma’am or no ma’am.’ I never had any problem with him and I never heard anyone say anything bad about Deshaun.”

From Martin: “I massaged Deshaun four times at his house and at the Houstonian. When we first met, he asked if I was comfortable with glutes, lower legs, and groin and I said yes. As an athletic trainer, this was a normal request. Deshaun barely talked; he was super quiet and passive. He has been one of the easiest clients I have ever had. That’s what makes these accusations against him so infuriating. Any licensed therapist knows that you may graze the penis during the course of the massage and you are taught how to address it professionally. You are also taught that the therapist is in charge and to immediately speak up if something makes you uncomfortable.”

From Brito: “I started treating Deshaun in early 2020 and have provided him massage therapy three to five times in all, the last time being in November 2020. He tells you what areas he wants worked on – usually groin, glutes and abs, which is normal for athletes. I always found him to be polite, respectful, professional and absolutely nonaggressive.”

From Nguyen: “I first met Deshaun three years ago and have provided massages to him several times. He wanted to focus on stretching and deep tissue massage. He never asked for, or even hinted at, anything inappropriate. He was always polite and respectful. When I eventually realized who he was, I asked him to have his picture taken with me to give to my son, who is a big fan.”

From Hillman: “I worked with Deshaun to give him full body scrubs and body wraps. At no time did he act inappropriate with me. If he did, I would have talked with him and handled it with him.”

This list of comments from 18 different women who provided massage therapy to Watson stands in stark contrast to the allegations, all of which have been made without names being named. The accounts represent, in our view, the first major step taken by Deshaun Watson and his lawyers to defend himself in the court of public opinion.

Of course, it’s possible that all 39 individuals (plus the woman who spoke to SI.com and has not sued) are telling the truth, and that Watson only acted inappropriately with the 19 who has sued him. With 18 massage therapists putting their names on accounts of their positive experiences with Watson, attorney Tony Buzbee may feel compelled to provide something more substantial and more specific as it relates to his 21 clients.

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2 minutes ago, rayzor said:

This keeps getting more interesting.

 

18 massage therapists, with names attached, voice support for Deshaun Watson

Posted by Mike Florio on March 31, 2021, 1:37 PM EDT
 
 
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Of course, it’s possible that all 39 individuals (plus the woman who spoke to SI.com and has not sued) are telling the truth, and that Watson only acted inappropriately with the 19 who has sued him. With 18 massage therapists putting their names on accounts of their positive experiences with Watson, attorney Tony Buzbee may feel compelled to provide something more substantial and more specific as it relates to his 21 clients.

OJ went out with many women but only killed one..B) Or maybe Watson paid the others to say good things about him?? 

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On 3/30/2021 at 9:19 AM, KRL said:

Why can't people accept the simple fact that in this society someone can have a "public face"

and a "private face".  Watson's "public face" got him a lot of social media praise but his "private face"

has caught up to him.  This is the reason he was pushing so hard to leave HOU, he knew the cases

were coming

Or he ran out of Massage Therapists.....

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31 minutes ago, Savage69 said:

OJ went out with many women but only killed one..B) Or maybe Watson paid the others to say good things about him?? 

or maybe the accusers want him to pay them? 

To be clear, I'm not saying they are, but you can't make that argument about the women defending him and ignore it on the other side. I think it's better to not bring the money argument in at all and just evaluate the evidence provided. 

It's interesting that this forum seems so much more one sided than some of the other team's forums I read on this. 

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Why has he had so many different therapists?? It’s around 40. Half say he tried stuff half said he didn’t. It sounds like he was bouncing around trying to see which ones would give him something and feeling them out. It’s kind of like when you’re at a bar. Depending on the feel I get from the waitress/bartender I decide if I try to ride her or not. 

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14 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

How can you go through like 40 massage therapists? 

Teams have massage therapists, if you are in a home locale you'd think you would find 1 or 2 massage therapists to work with you.  The 39 or 40 bit sounds ridiculous and bad.

Yeah, I feel like getting 18 massage therapists to say nice things about you sort of backfires because now it feels like you clearly have a thing for massage therapists and might have been doing some hunting. 

 

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Sounds like he was trying to see which therapists would accede to a happy ending. Like others have pointed out, I think professional NFL clubs have masseuses on staff. If he had to have outside therapists, seems fishy not to have settled on a couple to supplement the team offerings. Even if he wanted his sessions to end with a bang, if that was it, he could have found a few who would have agreed to that for some extra cash on a regular basis. The fact that he was casting a net so far and wide that he was flying them in from elsewhere suggests a more predatory mindset to me. JMHO.  

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