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Since this is primarily going to be about Sam Darnold, it is not fair to review him without looking backwards at the Jets during his three-year tenure.  Since it has been a very grim three years, pardon the rude intrusion into your sunny day.

We took Sam in 1998 and played him immediately.  The team went 4-12 and the season was a fiasco.  First Qunicy Enunwa was resigned to starter’s money and went down for the career almost immediately.  This left our wideouts as Robby Anderson, Jermaine Kearse, Deontay Burnett, Charone Peake and Rishard Matthews.  The fact that all but Robby were out of the league pronto should tell you all you need to know about 1998.  But the big culprit was Spencer Long.  He instantly hurt his hand and the ensuing bad snaps were something to behold.  Sam fielded them with remarkable aplomb.  The offensive line was Beachum, Carpenter, Long, Winters and Qvale.  The poor wideouts and scotch tape running game (Isaiah Crowell, Elijah McGuire, and Bilal Powell) produced a 1-9 skid after a promising 3-3 start.   Once Carpenter went down in week 10, the wheels came off the train.  Sam headed to the bench in week 9 with a bad foot.  He would miss the next three games and McNown lost all of them. The offense ranked 23rd in points and 29th in yards.  I note defense ranked 29th in points and 25th in yards.  We fired Todd Bowles.

With a new coach – Adam Gase – came a new system to learn.  The wideouts were Robby, Demaryius Thomas and Crowder.  The backs were Bell, Powell and Montgomery.  Herndon – after a fine rookie year – got suspended, came into camp out of shape and then got hurt and missed the season.  The offensive line was Beachum, Qvale, Ryan Kalil, Winters and Shell.  After staking the team to a 16-0 lead in the opener, the defense collapsed and we lost 17-16.  Then Sam got mono and missed the next three games.  We lost all of them by a combined score of 23-84 (remember Luke Falk).  I note we could have used Captain Morgan . . . , but I digress.  Ryan Kalil did a repeat of Long’s snapping and we started the season 1-7.   Once we benched Kalil, the Jets went 6-2 and finished 7-9.  The Jets offense ranked 31st in points and 32nd in yards.  I note the defense ranked 16th in points and 7th in yards.

Last year, with the bright debut of Becton, the offensive line featured Lewis, McGovern, Van Roten and Fant.  The wideouts were Mims, Perriman, Crowder, Jeff Smith, Vincent Smith, Josh Doctson, Berrios, Hogan and Cager (mother of God).  The backs were Bell, Gore, Johnson and Adams.  The starting wideouts Mims and Perriman, went down immediately.  Sam missed four games with a bad shoulder and played twice with that bad shoulder.  The Jets lost all six games (Flacco).  Towards the end of the season, with Mims and Perriman healthy, we won two of our last three to finish 2-14 after a 0-13 start.  We fired Gase.  The offense ranked last in points and yards and the defense ranked 26th in points and 24th in yards. 

Some facts.  Sam has played with poor receivers and awful centers on three bad teams.  The only offensive player to shine was Robby and he is a keeper.  Naturally, we let him go (WTF!).  To be fair, Sam throws picks – 39 in three years.  Ourlads compared him to Winston and warned he too would throw picks.  It was not a kind review.  He misses games – 10 in three years.  His TDs – 45 – are a little more than one per game when you account for the injuries.  On the other hand, the Jets lost all 10 games without him.  These were bad teams.  As for offensive players who left, only Robby and Beachum are starters elsewhere which is scary when you consider the amount of team turnover.

Sam has been asked to run the read option.  I always felt that was weird since Sam is not a running QB.  Yes, he throws well on the run but it is not the same thing.  I believe that play action would fit him better and I note that is what we are going to be running this year.  Sam has a strong arm and – despite the injuries – is a tough hombre.  As a man, he is a class act.  When he started his first game, he was the youngest starter in the history of the NFL and is only 25 entering his fourth year.  I am frustrated that Sam's technique has not improved since he entered the league.  While I blame the coaches, Sam must shoulder some of the blame.  When the defense played well in 2019, so did the Jets once we benched Kalil.  On the other hand, we go three and out so often that it affected the defensive stats.  The Jets have some serious issues.  It is not all Sam’s fault.

I believe that Sam has a long career ahead of him.  Is he an all-pro?  No, I do not think so.  Can he be a solid starter in the league?  Yes, I really think he can.  I am certain that he will be given a chance to start by good teams that need a new QB like the Steelers and Saints.  Further, QBs are expensive and we paid a lot for Sam.  I would pick up his option, play him this year and judge the future accordingly.

His backup is last year’s 4th round pick James Morgan.  Morgan was picked where he was ranked.  He has good triangle numbers and a strong arm.  He was noted for his toughness, film study and ability to attack downfield.  Stuck on the bench at Bowling Green, he transferred to Florida International and managed to get noticed by the NFL.  We have no idea if this guy is the answer but we do know one thing.  He fits the prototype of an NFL QB.  This is not Falk, Fales and Simian.  Bill Parcells warned that “you cannot compromise your prototypes”.  Well, Douglas didn’t.  A failure to observe this golden rule destroyed the 2018 and - especially - the 2019 seasons. 

I would bring in a veteran or draft a QB opportunistically.  I would much rather take one of the top four leftover Quarterbacks at #23 than at #2 with Sewell sitting there.  We have too many holes to gamble on it.

The Jets running backs are Johnson, Adams and Perine.  Ty Johnson is 5’ 10”, 213 lbs and runs a 4.26 40 which would have been the fastest at the 2019 combine had he been invited.  He has short arms (30”) for a pro athlete.  He had a fine career at Maryland and went undrafted.  Ourlads gave him a 7th round grade.  He signed with the Lions in 2019.  They waived him during the 2020 season and we got him for free.  He is an explosive back who has a decent all around game.  He catches the ball well and can take it the distance.  He is not a between the tackles runner.  He has good size for a change of pace back.   His burst and all around ability make him stand out.  He had a calf injury in college but is otherwise healthy.

Perine had a fine career at Florida.  He is 5’ 11”, 216 and ran a 4.6 40 at the 2020 combine.  We took him in the fourth round and Ourlads gave him a 4th round grade.  He has 32 inch arms and 10 inch hands which are big for a back (measure yours from pinky to thumb).  His game is between the tackles.  He is rugged interior runner who falls forward and gains yards after contact.  He does not fumble and is a noted special team’s player.  His all around game and special teams play make an ideal backup running back in the pros. 

Josh Adams.  Played at Notre Dame and went undrafted in 2018.  Ourlads gave him a 3d round grade.  Signed by the Eagles, he was signed to their practice squad and waived.  We invited him to camp in 2019 and he made the practice squad and has been active in both 2019 and 2020.  We played him a bit last year.  He is 6’ 1” and 213 lbs.  He has 34 inch arms and 9 inch hands and ran a 4.55 40 at the 2018 combine.  Like Perine, he is a north-south runner who makes a living between the tackles.  Unlike Perine, he is a two-down back and lacks the all around game and special teams play that got Perine drafted.

Our three running backs possess a good mix of talent and are better than their pedestrian pedigree.  I expect the Jets to draft a running back opportunistically.   I could also see a few undrafted free agents instead.  Personally, if Etienne or Harris were available at 34, I would take him. 

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5 minutes ago, clayton163v said:

He should have sat for at least half his first season.  He was not ready.  His technique showed as much.  We just threw him in there. 

His QB coaches we're Josh McCown and Adam Gase. A backup QB and Gase. How sad is that. 

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8 hours ago, clayton163v said:

Since this is primarily going to be about Sam Darnold, it is not fair to review him without looking backwards at the Jets during his three-year tenure.  Since it has been a very grim three years, pardon the rude intrusion into your sunny day.

We took Sam in 1998 and played him immediately. 

After 23 years, I think we pretty much know what we have.

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Here is the question for anyone who wants to keep Sam.

Say we trade down, draft a IOL, RB, CB and OT with our first 4 picks.  The offensive line really performs better in this system with Wade Davis at RG and a new RB.  The defense in this system is also improved, Hall shows a lot of promise at CB and Carl Lawson brings the much needed edge pressure which perfectly compliments QW.

Sam doesnt completely implode and this offense seems like a fit for him, but he also continues to struggle in his reads and throwing picks.

The team improves to 8-8 and Sam puts up 3200 25 tds and 12 ints.  What exactly do you do with him in 2022?  Are we going to pay $25 million per year for that?

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14 minutes ago, BCJet said:

Here is the question for anyone who wants to keep Sam.

Say we trade down, draft a IOL, RB, CB and OT with our first 4 picks.  The offensive line really performs better in this system with Wade Davis at RG and a new RB.  The defense in this system is also improved, Hall shows a lot of promise at CB and Carl Lawson brings the much needed edge pressure which perfectly compliments QW.

Sam doesnt completely implode and this offense seems like a fit for him, but he also continues to struggle in his reads and throwing picks.

The team improves to 8-8 and Sam puts up 3200 25 tds and 12 ints.  What exactly do you do with him in 2022?  Are we going to pay $25 million per year for that?

This..

Of course, the only way trading down makes sense is if Sam comes out looking like a true FQB capable of winning a Super Bowl. Someone you're prepared to pay $25mm plus a year.  

High priced QB purgatory is almost the best case scenario keeping Sam.  If Sam stinks you have to draft a QB next year and likely have to trade up to get one.  it's hard to envision a scenario in which not taking a QB at 2 ultimately works out.

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5 hours ago, BCJet said:

Here is the question for anyone who wants to keep Sam.

Say we trade down, draft a IOL, RB, CB and OT with our first 4 picks.  The offensive line really performs better in this system with Wade Davis at RG and a new RB.  The defense in this system is also improved, Hall shows a lot of promise at CB and Carl Lawson brings the much needed edge pressure which perfectly compliments QW.

Sam doesnt completely implode and this offense seems like a fit for him, but he also continues to struggle in his reads and throwing picks.

The team improves to 8-8 and Sam puts up 3200 25 tds and 12 ints.  What exactly do you do with him in 2022?  Are we going to pay $25 million per year for that?

No one in the NFL is going to pay him $25 million no matter how well he plays this year.

So if they trade down, they do not pick up the fifth year and he's a free agent after the season. If he doesn't play well, goodbye. If he does you can resign him for less than the $25 million. If he wants to go somewhere else, you can trade for next year's hot QB. Assuming you get a 2022 first round pick, youn have 3 first rounders to trade up to get the pick that you want, while having filled a lot of needs with this years draft.

Caveat: I don't think they should trade down further than 8, where there will probably be premium prospects available. One thing to consider is that Fields could be a better fit for the RPO offense that is coming in, due to what I believe will be better durability.

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11 hours ago, BCJet said:

Here is the question for anyone who wants to keep Sam.

Say we trade down, draft a IOL, RB, CB and OT with our first 4 picks.  The offensive line really performs better in this system with Wade Davis at RG and a new RB.  The defense in this system is also improved, Hall shows a lot of promise at CB and Carl Lawson brings the much needed edge pressure which perfectly compliments QW.

Sam doesnt completely implode and this offense seems like a fit for him, but he also continues to struggle in his reads and throwing picks.

The team improves to 8-8 and Sam puts up 3200 25 tds and 12 ints.  What exactly do you do with him in 2022?  Are we going to pay $25 million per year for that?

Your scenario cannot actually happen. 

"The option allows a team to retain a player’s rights for five years rather than the standard four, which is the bonus of selecting a player in the first round. In order to extend the contract, the team must inform the player during the period between the last regular season game of his third contract year and May 3 of the next League Year (Art. 7, Sec. 7, (a), 31)."

https://frontofficenfl.com/2017/03/27/nfl-rookie-contracts-explained-fifth-year-option/

As you can see, the Jets must decide whether to pick up his option by May 3rd.  The Jets will do this if they are going to keep Sam.  I think they will keep Sam and also think it is the wise thing to do.  As for the money, it is the going rate for starting NFL QBs.  So FYI.

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11 hours ago, BCJet said:

Here is the question for anyone who wants to keep Sam.

Say we trade down, draft a IOL, RB, CB and OT with our first 4 picks.  The offensive line really performs better in this system with Wade Davis at RG and a new RB.  The defense in this system is also improved, Hall shows a lot of promise at CB and Carl Lawson brings the much needed edge pressure which perfectly compliments QW.

Sam doesnt completely implode and this offense seems like a fit for him, but he also continues to struggle in his reads and throwing picks.

The team improves to 8-8 and Sam puts up 3200 25 tds and 12 ints.  What exactly do you do with him in 2022?  Are we going to pay $25 million per year for that?

I wouldn't mind drafting an OT, but most likely they'll be a backup to Fant. The one tackle who's a scheme fit and may play average to above average as a rookie is Teven Jenkins, OT, Oklahoma State.

By Wade Davis you most likely mean Wyatt Davis from OSU.

Sam Darnold’s 5th year option is $18M, not $25M for 2022.

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19 hours ago, BCJet said:

Here is the question for anyone who wants to keep Sam.

Say we trade down, draft a IOL, RB, CB and OT with our first 4 picks.  The offensive line really performs better in this system with Wade Davis at RG and a new RB.  The defense in this system is also improved, Hall shows a lot of promise at CB and Carl Lawson brings the much needed edge pressure which perfectly compliments QW.

Sam doesnt completely implode and this offense seems like a fit for him, but he also continues to struggle in his reads and throwing picks.

The team improves to 8-8 and Sam puts up 3200 25 tds and 12 ints.  What exactly do you do with him in 2022?  Are we going to pay $25 million per year for that?

Yes, and it's $18 mil. 

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11 hours ago, clayton163v said:

Your scenario cannot actually happen. 

"The option allows a team to retain a player’s rights for five years rather than the standard four, which is the bonus of selecting a player in the first round. In order to extend the contract, the team must inform the player during the period between the last regular season game of his third contract year and May 3 of the next League Year (Art. 7, Sec. 7, (a), 31)."

https://frontofficenfl.com/2017/03/27/nfl-rookie-contracts-explained-fifth-year-option/

As you can see, the Jets must decide whether to pick up his option by May 3rd.  The Jets will do this if they are going to keep Sam.  I think they will keep Sam and also think it is the wise thing to do.  As for the money, it is the going rate for starting NFL QBs.  So FYI.

They could still pick up the option and put him on the bench next season. He’d be about the highest priced back up QBs ever but it can be done.  The jets will most likely wait until the draft shakes out before they accept or decline the option. I’m guessing they will decline simply because, if they do want to keep him beyond this season, then the salary negotiation is more favorable. Of course that means he’s a free agent . Is that a problem?

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23 hours ago, BCJet said:

Here is the question for anyone who wants to keep Sam.

Say we trade down, draft a IOL, RB, CB and OT with our first 4 picks.  The offensive line really performs better in this system with Wade Davis at RG and a new RB.  The defense in this system is also improved, Hall shows a lot of promise at CB and Carl Lawson brings the much needed edge pressure which perfectly compliments QW.

Sam doesnt completely implode and this offense seems like a fit for him, but he also continues to struggle in his reads and throwing picks.

The team improves to 8-8 and Sam puts up 3200 25 tds and 12 ints.  What exactly do you do with him in 2022?  Are we going to pay $25 million per year for that?

As stated, if the Jets decide to roll with Darnold, they almost certainly pick up his 5th year option for $18.8M giving them one more year before they'd have to commit long term. If he took another big leap the following year then, sure, you'd look to do that. If not, you move on. 

The idea is to build a program and roster that any QB could have success in, trading back and adding additional premium picks is a great way to get there. I don't see Joe Douglas taking a RB in the first or second round this year, as he shouldn't. You shouldn't spend premium picks on non-premium positions unless your roster is stacked - which the Jets' is not. Besides, they're installing a rushing game where late picks and street free agents have thrived. Substitute a WR or Edge up there. 

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20 hours ago, LAD_Brooklyn said:

I wouldn't mind drafting an OT, but most likely they'll be a backup to Fant. The one tackle who's a scheme fit and may play average to above average as a rookie is Teven Jenkins, OT, Oklahoma State.

By Wade Davis you most likely mean Wyatt Davis from OSU.

Sam Darnold’s 5th year option is $18M, not $25M for 2022.

I think Jenkins or Jalen Mayfield at #23 is a strong possibility Both can be moved inside and play guard. LG, probably. We can find our RG, in the 3rd or 4th rds.

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43 minutes ago, genot said:

I think Jenkins or Jalen Mayfield at #23 is a strong possibility Both can be moved inside and play guard. LG, probably. We can find our RG, in the 3rd or 4th rds.

I agree. I love both Jenkins and Mayfield at #23 exactly because of their versatility to play Guard at the NFL level. I also think the value is there because either one of these guys would eventually take over for Fant at RT. 

And instead of trying for a Guard in Rd. 3 or 4 just have a JAG start at one of the Guard positions- Alex Lewis, GVR, Feeney, maybe even Clark. One of these guys will rise to the occasion. In any case, all you need is a decent starter if you have a solid unit all around. 

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On 3/23/2021 at 8:46 AM, BCJet said:

Here is the question for anyone who wants to keep Sam.

Say we trade down, draft a IOL, RB, CB and OT with our first 4 picks.  The offensive line really performs better in this system with Wade Davis at RG and a new RB.  The defense in this system is also improved, Hall shows a lot of promise at CB and Carl Lawson brings the much needed edge pressure which perfectly compliments QW.

Sam doesnt completely implode and this offense seems like a fit for him, but he also continues to struggle in his reads and throwing picks.

The team improves to 8-8 and Sam puts up 3200 25 tds and 12 ints.  What exactly do you do with him in 2022?  Are we going to pay $25 million per year for that?

Cool story, but that level of production doesn't cost $25 million a season, so a bit of a straw man argument this.

This is Sam's 4th season.  We own the option on his 5th season as well.  No need for a big contract, if one is earned, till after that.

Counter Argument:  What if Wilson is everything his doubters say, too small, too fragile, too small school talent for the big NFL, and he sucks.   And we're stuck with him for another three-four years. 

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2 minutes ago, PepPep said:

I agree. I love both Jenkins and Mayfield at #23 exactly because of their versatility to play Guard at the NFL level. I also think the value is there because either one of these guys would eventually take over for Fant at RT. 

And instead of trying for a Guard in Rd. 3 or 4 just have a JAG start at one of the Guard positions- Alex Lewis, GVR, Feeney, maybe even Clark. One of these guys will rise to the occasion. In any case, all you need is a decent starter if you have a solid unit all around. 

Thought Mcgovern started to play well 2nd half of season. Would be intrigued by Humphrey though. Not sure where he's slotted now. 

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