FidelioJet Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 6 hours ago, y2k8 said: Keeping Sam is a chess move. Reaching for a QB at #2 that you are not pounding the table for seems like playing checkers. What makes you say they're reaching at #2? By almost all accounts Wilson is a better prospect than Sam was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 7 hours ago, PS17 said: The three best tight ends in football were taken in the third (Kelce) and fifth rounds (Kittle, Waller). Gronk was a second rounder. Hernandez went in the fourth. I will lose my sh*t if we pick a tight end at 2 with a glaring need at QB. Kyle Brady and Anthony Becht were 1st round picks. Memo to JD: Picking a TE early in the draft will invoke a horror you could never have imagined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 What makes you say they're reaching at #2? By almost all accounts Wilson is a better prospect than Sam was.A lot of media types are saying this - but there still are lots of things not to like about Wilson. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 5 minutes ago, RSJ said: A lot of media types are saying this - but there still are lots of things not to like about Wilson. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Certainly not from my perspective. But you can say that about any QB prospect. You may think there's a lot to like about him and that's fine, we're all entitled to our opinions - but to say it's reach as a matter of fact is simply not accurate. By most accounts he has #1 overall talent. Even The Jaguars are giving him a very serious look. I suspect what's happening now is the exact opposite of a reach. My guess is JD would love to trade down, but The ZW is too good of a prospect to pass on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 4 hours ago, RSJ said: What keeps getting lost in this is how good Pitts can be. If you are sure he will be Ozzie Newsome then you dont risk trading back. Its what I keep saying about Jamal. If you could have lined him up all over the defense like Ronnie Lott could then you pick him in the top 5. If not then you dont. Same could be said for Pitts and it boils down to how sure JD is. I think that the other first rounder allows JD to gamble a bit. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Ozzie Newsome? You couldn’t of picked someone who’s played in the last 75 years lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y2k8 Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 1 hour ago, FidelioJet said: What makes you say they're reaching at #2? By almost all accounts Wilson is a better prospect than Sam was. If they have known Zach was the pick for awhile, they would have traded Sam weeks ago. The only evaluation that matters is how the Jets are grading both players. If it really is that close (and it appears that may be the case), it seems Zach is a reach at #2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 5 minutes ago, y2k8 said: If they have known Zach was the pick for awhile, they would have traded Sam weeks ago. The only evaluation that matters is how the Jets are grading both players. If it really is that close (and it appears that may be the case), it seems Zach is a reach at #2. Not sure at all how you came to that conclusion. You're stating things as fact - that simply aren't. Once again, I think's it's quite the opposite. If they were keeping Sam there's literally no upside in keeping that a secret. To drive up the value of #2 overall - it wouldn't do that. The only thing you're doing is alienating your QB. They wouldn't be holding their starting QB out to dry this long if they had any intention of keeping him. If they were keeping him - having that knowledge out there would only benefit the market for #2. At this point, IMO, they're simply waiting for Zach and Fields pro-day before moving him. I suspect Sam will be traded by the end of next week. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y2k8 Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 2 hours ago, FidelioJet said: Not sure at all how you came to that conclusion. You're stating things as fact - that simply aren't. Once again, I think's it's quite the opposite. If they were keeping Sam there's literally no upside in keeping that a secret. To drive up the value of #2 overall - it wouldn't do that. The only thing you're doing is alienating your QB. They wouldn't be holding their starting QB out to dry this long if they had any intention of keeping him. If they were keeping him - having that knowledge out there would only benefit the market for #2. At this point, IMO, they're simply waiting for Zach and Fields pro-day before moving him. I suspect Sam will be traded by the end of next week. I came to that opinion because there were more trade partners 3 weeks ago than there are today. That's factual. Also, do you think Jacksonville needed to see Trevor Lawrences Pro Day to decide if they want to draft him? Pre surgery no less? My conjecture based on what we know - or think we know - is that if the Jets need to see Zach's pro day before making a call, they don't believe he is the no brainer pick at #2 that you do. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 Certainly not from my perspective. But you can say that about any QB prospect. You may think there's a lot to like about him and that's fine, we're all entitled to our opinions - but to say it's reach as a matter of fact is simply not accurate. By most accounts he has #1 overall talent. Even The Jaguars are giving him a very serious look. I suspect what's happening now is the exact opposite of a reach. My guess is JD would love to trade down, but The ZW is too good of a prospect to pass on.That just couldnt be further from the truth. Wilson doesn’t have the size to be considered the top QB talent in any draft, ever.Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 Ozzie Newsome? You couldn’t of picked someone who’s played in the last 75 years lolI mean I guess I could have found someone a little more recent. LolSent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
football guy Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 I think the Jets are more driven to find a way to get Kyle Pitts than they are worried about the QB situation 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 11 hours ago, FidelioJet said: What makes you say they're reaching at #2? By almost all accounts Wilson is a better prospect than Sam was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 5 hours ago, football guy said: I think the Jets are more driven to find a way to get Kyle Pitts than they are worried about the QB situation Because Pitts is a matchup nightmare. How many of these first round tight ends that are supposed to be the cautionary tales for us dominated top competition? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 22 hours ago, Jet Nut said: Dolphins are going to take Ja'Marr Chase at 3. And he could easily be killing us for the next 10 years Pitts is the better prospect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 6 hours ago, RSJ said: That just couldnt be further from the truth. Wilson doesn’t have the size to be considered the top QB talent in any draft, ever. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app No offense, but that couldn't be more wrong.. 2 of the last 3 drafts had QB's taken #1 overall - that were smaller than Wilson. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 12 hours ago, Dcat said: Kyle Brady and Anthony Becht were 1st round picks. Memo to JD: Picking a TE early in the draft will invoke a horror you could never have imagined. Nobody in their right mind wouldn't have taken him over Warren Sapp.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 8 hours ago, y2k8 said: I came to that opinion because there were more trade partners 3 weeks ago than there are today. That's factual. Also, do you think Jacksonville needed to see Trevor Lawrences Pro Day to decide if they want to draft him? Pre surgery no less? My conjecture based on what we know - or think we know - is that if the Jets need to see Zach's pro day before making a call, they don't believe he is the no brainer pick at #2 that you do. So when San is traded by the end of next week and Wilson is drafted at #2 overall. Will you concede I was correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 No offense, but that couldn't be more wrong.. 2 of the last 3 drafts had QB's taken #1 overall - that were smaller than Wilson. We will see what his confirmed height and weight are tomorrow. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adobolo2 Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 6 hours ago, football guy said: I think the Jets are more driven to find a way to get Kyle Pitts than they are worried about the QB situation That's some statement, in a good way. It's a pity this message board didn't see it the same way. Pitts is the second best player in this draft even considering his blocking will require much improvement. How far do you see him falling? Atlanta, eagles? I personally don't think he will be on the board at 8th if we end up with that pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 29 minutes ago, RSJ said: We will see what his confirmed height and weight are tomorrow. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Are you saying you think he's going to measure shorter than Murray or Mayfield? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y2k8 Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 1 hour ago, FidelioJet said: So when San is traded by the end of next week and Wilson is drafted at #2 overall. Will you concede I was correct? Sure. I guess. I mean, I hope if the Jets do pick Zach at #2, they are as enthusiastic about the player as you are. I'm not against them selecting him. I just want them to be 100 percent sold on him as THE GUY they cannot pass up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 Who cares about Wilson’s height? Dude is an egg that will have a bad offensive line Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 38 minutes ago, y2k8 said: Sure. I guess. I mean, I hope if the Jets do pick Zach at #2, they are as enthusiastic about the player as you are. I'm not against them selecting him. I just want them to be 100 percent sold on him as THE GUY they cannot pass up. Agree completely. I honestly don’t think they would take him otherwise. I can say I’m excited for tomorrow. More than anything else looking forward to putting this height abs weight thing behind us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigBW Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 On 3/23/2021 at 9:00 PM, playtowinthegame said: I'd hate to see the Dolphins get this guy. Would Joe Douglas drafting Kyle Pitts 2 overall be like David Gettleman drafting Saquan Barkley 2 overall three years ago, or would this be a genius pick by Joe Douglas? Would you draft Kyle Pitts and then roll with Darnold and/or some other quarterback prospect you can target by trading back into the lower first round of this years draft? Micah Parsons ran a 4.39 40. We can draft him to run after Pitts! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigBW Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 On 3/23/2021 at 9:10 PM, Barton said: How often do tight ends run 40 yards straight downfield again? Vernon Davis ran a 4.38 and was a good but never a great player. Had over 800 yards only 3 times in a 15+ year career. Not saying Pitts isnt gonna be great. But 40 yard dash for a tight end? Nice to see but ehhh in terms of relevance. His tape speaks to the other aspects of his game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, TheBigBW said: Micah Parsons ran a 4.39 40. We can draft him to run after Pitts! Don’t worry. Ashtyn Davis will be the Kyle Pitts-stopper 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 Are you saying you think he's going to measure shorter than Murray or Mayfield?Are you saying Murray or Mayfield are good? Neither has done much of anything on teams that are superbly talented. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 11 hours ago, Philc1 said: Pitts is the better prospect They’re two different players playing two different positions. Pitts isn’t the better prospoect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gramsci Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 4 hours ago, RSJ said: Are you saying Murray or Mayfield are good? Neither has done much of anything on teams that are superbly talented. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app That's not what he asked you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 4 hours ago, Jet Nut said: They’re two different players playing two different positions. Pitts isn’t the better prospoect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 9 hours ago, Philc1 said: Whats the matter, Google doesnt work? Because with my Google, Chase is rated above Pitts in every single top 50 rankings list. You can like Pitts over Chase but the dumb assed pic says youre confused by simple logic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 17 hours ago, RSJ said: Are you saying Murray or Mayfield are good? Neither has done much of anything on teams that are superbly talented. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app I think Mayfield has been good, yes - had a good year last year. He did just win a playoff game. But that’s not really the point, The point was you said The ZW would never be considered to be drafted #1 overall because he’s too small. I just pointed to the fact that 2 of the past 3 years a QB smaller than The ZW has been drafted #1 overall. Say you dont’ thank ZW would be drafted #1 overall because you think he stinks....or isn’t good enough, that’s fine. But it has nothing to do with his size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 That's not what he asked you. Its what he was implying. Try reading back a few threads. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 I think Mayfield has been good, yes - had a good year last year. He did just win a playoff game. But that’s not really the point, The point was you said The ZW would never be considered to be drafted #1 overall because he’s too small. I just pointed to the fact that 2 of the past 3 years a QB smaller than The ZW has been drafted #1 overall. Say you dont’ thank ZW would be drafted #1 overall because you think he stinks....or isn’t good enough, that’s fine. But it has nothing to do with his size.I said he shouldn’t be because of his size. Idk how you can say Mayfield has been good. He has been Sanchez good. He has all the weapons in the world on that team. Good franchises dont pick shrimps in the top 5. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 1 minute ago, RSJ said: I said he shouldn’t be because of his size. Idk how you can say Mayfield has been good. He has been Sanchez good. He has all the weapons in the world on that team. Good franchises dont pick shrimps in the top 5. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app If he measures 6'3, 215 today will he be too small? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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