Message to Joe Douglas; please watch Field of Dreams and think about Russell Wilson and Aaron Rodgers when you do...

[jetstream23]

2 hours ago, JiF said:

Honestly, it was just a colorful way of saying, trade down because I'm scared sh*tless of pairing a rookie QB with a rookie Head Coach former DC who hired a 34 year old rookie OC on arguably the worst roster in the NFL.

That said, I legit dont think it's unrealistic.  I dont see Rodgers or Wilson finishing their careers with their current teams and if you can build a team like the Bucs, a QB away, then maybe 1 of them sees this as their chance.  If not, fine, have a great situation in place for a rookie.  And who knows, maybe Sam figures it out and/or Bridgewater can win.  The guy was 5-0 in New Orleans when they were loaded. 

I mean, the last time the Jets had a rookie QB paired with a rookie defensive HC we went to two consecutive AFC Championship Games.  But, the roster was better at the time.  There's no Revis, D'Brick or Mangold on this team.

[Savage69]

3 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

I mean, the last time the Jets had a rookie QB paired with a rookie defensive HC we went to two consecutive AFC Championship Games.  But, the roster was better at the time.  There's no Revis, D'Brick or Mangold on this team.

I like Big Ticket over Brick and we didn't have the draft yet lets see what JD is cooking..

[Jetsfan80]

3 hours ago, JiF said:

Did you read the post?  There will always be the next hot sexy QB prospect, happens every year.  If we follow my strategy and Sam continues to suck and JD fails to land the HOF'ers, then we draft a QB in the near future and instead of joining arguably one of the worst rosters in the NFL led by all rookie coaches, he'll be joining a young primed team ready to handle the trials and tribulations of a rookie QB.  

So when we're picking 14-20th and out of range for that next hot sexy QB prospect, what then?  Because the main reason people most want to run it back with Darnold and/or "build the roster" is we can't draft Trevor Lawrence.

And that's how you end up like the Colts.

[Jetsfan80]

2 hours ago, JiF said:

Fair point but I'd counter with that sexy prospect doesnt need to be taken #2 overall.  Herbert, Allen, Mahomes, Watson, Jackson werent top 5 picks....neither were the names in the thread title.  Just because JD rightfully believes that QB is the most important position, doesnt mean he thinks that player is worth #2 overall this season.  Fans are emotional twats for the most part.  They see QB's and get fooled al the time.  Picking a QB makes gives them hope they'd otherwise lack.   JD needs to be more cerebral then that because this is not an ideal situation for a rookie QB.  In fact, I'd argue, it's the worst possible destination for a rookie QB.

For every Lamar Jackson there are plenty of Josh Rosen's.  Counting on finding your QB in the back half of the 1st round is an enormous risk. 

And Jackson really isn't all that good, anyways....

[Jetsfan80]

1 hour ago, JiF said:

I get that but now is not the time.  Risk it in the future when the infrastructure is set.  

You didnt even know who Zach Wilson was this time last year.

So whose name do we know that will be the next hot sexy QB prospect in 2022?  Because you haven't named names yet.  

Few knew who Joe Burrow was prior to his final season at LSU, either.

I'm very leery of Wilson and certainly prefer Fields, but your reason isn't a great one for why Wilson will fail.

[Biggs]

Build the ship and the captain will come.  

[Jetluv58]

1 hour ago, JiF said:

I get that but now is not the time.  Risk it in the future when the infrastructure is set.  

You didnt even know who Zach Wilson was this time last year.

How much of a risk is it, really? We have the worst-rated QB in the NFL. 

[rayzor]

4 hours ago, JiF said:

BRING BACK TEDDY!!!

@TeddEY

Actually, Teddy B is not a free agent.  Unless you want to trade for him.

[Jetsfan80]

1 minute ago, rayzor said:

Actually, Teddy B is not a free agent.  Unless you want to trade for him.

Teddy and # 8 overall for Darnold and # 34 overall. 

[rayzor]

Aren't the Bears a good example?  Their ship is built but they're still looking for a QB.  They are in a nightmare position.  Not able to draft high enough.  Whose only option was to sign Andy Dalton!!

[freestater]

I've already come to terms with Dimples running the offense next year.

[rangerous]

3 hours ago, Patriot Killa said:

You have to risk it to get the biscuit, if picking the wrong QB sets us back some years, so be it, at least we’re swinging. Can’t be scared. These prospects are better, from what we can tell now, than any of the 2022 QB’s. I don’t trust Howell, the new USC guy or anyone else as much as I trust us to get it right with Wilson or Fields.

Yes, that’s true. As long as Douglas and saleh do due diligence on any prospect I don’t mind them making the pick.  If they think a guy like Jones is a better fit and they can trade back, I’m all for it.

[JiF]

2 hours ago, Morrissey said:

I did, you want to kick can down the road in the hopes a HOFer will come here.

So, you didnt. 

[JiF]

1 hour ago, jetstream23 said:

I mean, the last time the Jets had a rookie QB paired with a rookie defensive HC we went to two consecutive AFC Championship Games.  But, the roster was better at the time.  There's no Revis, D'Brick or Mangold on this team.

#1 running game in the league, #1 defense in the league, best OL in the league, say what you will about Shotty Jr he wasnt a first time play caller ie; the infrastructure to support a rookie QB and overcome the trials and tribulations. 

[JiF]

1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said:

So when we're picking 14-20th and out of range for that next hot sexy QB prospect, what then?  Because the main reason people most want to run it back with Darnold and/or "build the roster" is we can't draft Trevor Lawrence.

And that's how you end up like the Colts.

Meh, Darnold was taken #3, what has that done for us?  Most the best QB's in the league were top taken out of top 3. 

[JiF]

1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said:

For every Lamar Jackson there are plenty of Josh Rosen's.  Counting on finding your QB in the back half of the 1st round is an enormous risk. 

And Jackson really isn't all that good, anyways....

Josh Rosen was taken at 10.  lol  

 

 

[JiF]

1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said:

So whose name do we know that will be the next hot sexy QB prospect in 2022?  Because you haven't named names yet.  

Few knew who Joe Burrow was prior to his final season at LSU, either.

I'm very leery of Wilson and certainly prefer Fields, but your reason isn't a great one for why Wilson will fail.

You're missing the point.  Nobody knew who Wilson was this time last year, meaning, like every year there  will be more option then the current hot names. 

Oh, so coupling Wilson on the worst roster with a rookie HC and rookie OC is actually a good thing.  Got it.  

Well, that was fun

[JiF]

1 hour ago, Jetluv58 said:

How much of a risk is it, really? We have the worst-rated QB in the NFL. 

It could be worse, as I mentioned, this team is 0-10 since drafting Darnold when he doesnt play.

[CTM]

5 hours ago, JiF said:

Did you read the post? 

i started too

[Jetsfan80]

2 hours ago, JiF said:

Josh Rosen was taken at 10.  lol  

And certainly that disproves the point I'm making, lol.  Fine.  Brady Quinn, Paxton Lynch, Tim Tebow, Johnny Manziel, Brandon Weeden, Josh Freeman.  All recent QB's taken in the back half of the 1st.  Plus EJ Manuel who was taken smack in the middle at 16 overall.  Happy?

[Jetsfan80]

2 hours ago, JiF said:

You're missing the point.  Nobody knew who Wilson was this time last year, meaning, like every year there  will be more option then the current hot names. 

Oh, so coupling Wilson on the worst roster with a rookie HC and rookie OC is actually a good thing.  Got it.  

Well, that was fun

So we're counting on an unknown QB, likely in the mid to back end of the 1st or later (or requiring a trade up that might not happen), to be the savior of the franchise in 2022, or for a HOF QB to choose us over all other teams he could finish his career with.

Love it!  Sign me up!

And I don't like Wilson dude.

[HighPitch]

No offense but i cant think of a worse idea than grabbing aged, super expensive geezer vets that if anything, can only win NOW, for a team with so many holes to fill before becoming competitive.

we need a very good young rookie qb on a rookie deal and 2 or 3 years of good drafting.

anything else is SOJ

 

[Philc1]

6 hours ago, Patriot Killa said:

Agreed, I still believe in him. His numbers before 2020 weigh more to me. They’re neck & neck with Dak Prescott. He just has to stay healthy. 

He was in a toxic situation in philly.  Looks like their coaching staff fell apart after Reich left

[PCP63]

Lawrence? Today, I sh*t you not, I learned that JAX is in the AFC. Crazy that they suck so much, I never even bothered to learn. 

[CanadaSteve]

8 hours ago, Philc1 said:

Has anyone been to the actual Field of Dreams in Dyersville, IA?  Cool place and free to visit 

Was suppose to go last summer, and then, well.....

[JiF]

9 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

And certainly that disproves the point I'm making, lol.  Fine.  Brady Quinn, Paxton Lynch, Tim Tebow, Johnny Manziel, Brandon Weeden, Josh Freeman.  All recent QB's taken in the back half of the 1st.  Plus EJ Manuel who was taken smack in the middle at 16 overall.  Happy?

Yes, extremely.  It's Friday, I have a fresh cup of coffee, about to walk the dogs on the beach and I have a 3;00pm tee time.

I've done this exercise before there is no sweet spot for drafting a QB unless you have #1 overall and that has proven to be far far from full proof.  Does high draft positioning help, of course, especially in years where its slim pickings but those cases are rare and we've seen over and over again that the top 3 pick doesnt guarantee you a franchise QB.  Mayfied/Darnod > Allen/Jackson.  Burrow/Tua > Herbert.   Mitch > Mahomes/Watson.  Goff/Wentz > Dak.  Bortles/Manziel > Bridgewater/Carr.  Luck/RGIII > Wilson.  And the list goes on.  The reality is, 3 HOF QB's were taken #1 overall in my life time; Manning, Elway, Aikman - the rest for the most part have been major major disappointments and the true greats, we're not taken top 3.  

Build it first.  Look back on the history of this franchise, anytime the Jets have had success its because the infrastructure was built. This idea of hitting on GM, rookie HC, rookie OC, rookie DC and a rookie QB - is bonkers. Has this strategy every worked in the history of the NFL? The only example I cant think of is Jimmy Johnson and Troy Aikman....and guess how they built that roster?  Pulling of the biggest trade in the history of the NFL. 

 

[JiF]

10 hours ago, HighPitch said:

No offense but i cant think of a worse idea than grabbing aged, super expensive geezer vets that if anything, can only win NOW, for a team with so many holes to fill before becoming competitive.

we need a very good young rookie qb on a rookie deal and 2 or 3 years of good drafting.

anything else is SOJ

 

^^^ didnt read the thread

[JiF]

10 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

So we're counting on an unknown QB, likely in the mid to back end of the 1st or later (or requiring a trade up that might not happen), to be the savior of the franchise in 2022, or for a HOF QB to choose us over all other teams he could finish his career with.

Love it!  Sign me up!

And I don't like Wilson dude.

Mid to back?  You expect the Jets to be good?  lol  Did anyone, in a millions years, think Tom Brady was going to leave NE and win a Super Bowl with the sh*tty Bucs?  Nope.  But guess what, Wilson and Rodgers will be leaving and yes, I think if you build it, they will come, just like the Bucs did.

My back up plans are flawless;

- Teddy or Sam or Morgan emerge leaving the pursuit of the HOF'er unnecessary.

- If by the grace of god Jameis Winston become available, even better!!!

- rookie QB's who are available every single draft

- Marcus Mariota is on a one year deal 

- Andrew Luck comes out of retirement.

FLAWLESS!!!!

[mfmartin]

Mid to back?  You expect the Jets to be good?  lol  Did anyone, in a millions years, think Tom Brady was going to leave NE and win a Super Bowl with the sh*tty Bucs?  Nope.  But guess what, Wilson and Rodgers will be leaving and yes, I think if you build it, they will come, just like the Bucs did.
My back up plans are flawless;
- Teddy or Sam or Morgan emerge leaving the pursuit of the HOF'er unnecessary.
- If by the grace of god Jameis Winston become available, even better!!!
- rookie QB's who are available every single draft
- Marcus Mariota is on a one year deal 
- Andrew Luck comes out of retirement.
FLAWLESS!!!!

I refuse to believe this is a valid opinion and just is someone trolling.


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[JiF]

3 minutes ago, mfmartin said:

 

 

I refuse to believe this is a valid opinion and just is someone trolling.


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I was obviously being silly in that post but I'm 100% being serious about trading back.  I genuinely feel that's the best way for this team to be competitive.  And I just see disaster written all over taking Wilson and strapping him with this terrible team and all rookie coaches.

[slats]

1 hour ago, JiF said:

Build it first.  Look back on the history of this franchise, anytime the Jets have had success its because the infrastructure was built. This idea of hitting on GM, rookie HC, rookie OC, rookie DC and a rookie QB - is bonkers. Has this strategy every worked in the history of the NFL? The only example I cant think of is Jimmy Johnson and Troy Aikman....and guess how they built that roster?  Pulling of the biggest trade in the history of the NFL. 

This is what I've been saying all along, and I'm certain that it's very appealing to Joe Douglas as well. Get everything you can for that #2 pick, build out the roster, let Saleh and LeFleur install their program with Darnold and (hopefully) a viable veteran backup, and see where you're at the position. Jets will still be in better cap shape than most teams as JD fills holes with front loaded deals while GMs around the league are adding phantom years to contracts just to get them under their caps, as well as (almost certainly) three first rounders in 2022 and maybe two in 2023. That's a lot to work with to get a QB next year, as well as continuing to add talent all over the roster. 

If he loves one of the QBs there and feels that QB is worth the #2 overall pick, then he should take him. If he has genuine reservations about them, getting the haul is the much safer path. There will be QBs to be had next year, just like a name we hadn't heard of this time last year now being hyped up as better than the generational Trevor Lawrence. 

[greenwichjetfan]

We still have 5 years till Arch comes out. That's a little too long to wait. 

I say we take Fields, and even if he crashes and burns, we'll still be in a perfect position with a new HC and GM to take Arch when he comes out because Fields' rookie contract will be up!

[Stark]

19 hours ago, Integrity28 said:

This entire thread exists solely for one purpose.

To make jokes about @JiF choking on a “hot dog”

No way @JiF chokes on A hot dog... not as experienced as he is

[Jetsfan80]

4 hours ago, JiF said:

Mid to back?  You expect the Jets to be good?  lol  Did anyone, in a millions years, think Tom Brady was going to leave NE and win a Super Bowl with the sh*tty Bucs?  Nope.  But guess what, Wilson and Rodgers will be leaving and yes, I think if you build it, they will come, just like the Bucs did.

My back up plans are flawless;

- Teddy or Sam or Morgan emerge leaving the pursuit of the HOF'er unnecessary.

- If by the grace of god Jameis Winston become available, even better!!!

- rookie QB's who are available every single draft

- Marcus Mariota is on a one year deal 

- Andrew Luck comes out of retirement.

FLAWLESS!!!!

 

Your plan is to make the roster solid before adding the good QB.  Teams that are solid end up drafting in the back half even without good QB play.  Usually those teams opt for a veteran like Winston, Dalton, etc like you're advocating.

The Bucs roster was loaded when Brady arrived.  They were still a "meh" 7-9 the previous year with Winston.  That 7-9 / 8-8 type roster that's a QB away is exactly what you're advocating for here.

[JiF]

I'm a prophet.  It's not the way I designed it but we can still get it done.  Do it JD, do it JD!!!!!!!!!!