Creepy Lurker Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 I hope this is a smoke screen or saving face because I can’t imagine anyone is this stupid to not realize that Sam is trash and even if he was ok, the timing of his contract expiration alone makes him a lost cause. You can’t resign someone with as horrible of a first 3 years as him. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 37 minutes ago, section314 said: If there is anybody who honestly thinks that after all the time JD and Saleh spent together before he was hired that they aren't on the same page regarding the QB decision, then I don't know what to tell you. JD would have never hired him, nor would Saleh ever have taken the job. Common sense fellas. I imagine they were on the same page as far as the process to decide on a starting QB, but no way were they decided on the name of that QB back in January. It wouldn't shock me if this was the internal debate. Darnold had insane grades coming out. The coaches prefer him to a guy who's already had shoulder surgery, and had one big year against suspect competition? Shocker. Douglas prefers the phenom who'll be cap cheap for the next five years? Also not shocking. This sounds a lot like the educated guesses we've been being fed for awhile now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPitch Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 43 minutes ago, section314 said: If there is anybody who honestly thinks that after all the time JD and Saleh spent together before he was hired that they aren't on the same page regarding the QB decision, then I don't know what to tell you. JD would have never hired him, nor would Saleh ever have taken the job. Common sense fellas. Thats just speculation. People like to repeat this unfounded claim over and over. Why would jd or saleh take such a passionate stand for or against darnold? Rookie head coach doesnt call the shots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post football guy Posted March 25, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 25, 2021 Just now, Grandy said: This is the most fascinating one. The tools and scheme arguments are valid but this one puzzles and scares me. He posted worse numbers and film last year than most rookies, and doesnt do various things that Wilson and Fields already can. To me, Darnold is the equivalent of a rookie QB right now in terms of how far along he is, if not more raw. With Darnold showing more concerns than any draft guy as well. I think too many people focus on the idealized version of Darnold more than what he's actually done. Jets backup QBs in the 9 games Darnold has missed as a pro: 0-10. Coaches don't look at numbers, and while they do look at film they view it through a different lens than fans do. Fans look at film with production in mind, whereas coaches take everything into context: process, personnel, coaching, and playcalling. If you removed context from the Super Bowl and evaluated Mahomes game in a vacuum - didn't know who the player was, didn't know the teams, didn't know the importance of the game - it would feel a lot like how it has felt watching Darnold: lots of pass protection breakdowns, some dumb playcalling, some drops, lack of consistent separation, poor decisions, and then some "how the hell did he do that" throws. I'm not comparing Darnold to Mahomes, but I am saying that you need to consider the context surrounding Darnold's play to accurately evaluate him. What was the coaching like? How did the scheme fit or not fit his skill set? How did mono affect him? How did the pandemic affect him? Did the coaching staff/players put him in the best position to succeed? I get it, us as fans want to look at stats and comparables and use them as predictables for players. There is no comparison to Darnold in NFL history. The coaches and executives all believe he's going to figure it out. People in other organizations believe he's going to figure it out. Reputable analysts think he's going to figure it out. There's a reason, and it has very little to do with stats; it's context, coachability, and his raw talent. It really comes down to who offers what at this point, and which offer maximizes roster value. 9 4 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnknownJetFan Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 24 minutes ago, Jetlife33 said: Really a difficult decision, at this point I don’t even know what I want the Jets to do, and at this point I really don’t care as long as they get it right. Just get it right for once NYJ. Please. Thanks for your insight as always FG. It's tough cause keeping Sam allows likely for a good draft haul in a trade down to possibly build this team really well even for the 2021 season and have additional draft ammo in 2022 since any trade down would include high draft picks for then too. But, the QB contract situation becomes high priced very soon. Or, taking Wilson (the odds on favorite at #2 no matter who picks there) and still having draft picks in round 1, 2, 3(2), 4, 5(2), and 6 this year to build for 2021 and the #2 waiver claim plus any other FAs that get cut loose. Then still 1 1st round draft picks and 9 overall I believe next year. While the QB contract situations stay good/low for 4 years. Either situation can wind up good or bad. The latter with Wilson seems more applausable unless he totally busts out since it provides time to build the team and he can grow with that build. So can Darnold, but it is already common knowledge that he makes bad decisions at crucial times in games and that might not be fixable. Wilson at least may not do that and supposedly hasn't while he has been in college. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NYJets8 Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 Wow!!!! Where are the insiders !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYJets8 Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 Please insiders, help!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jNYC1 Posted March 25, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 25, 2021 Listen to me now, believe me later on. The Jets will keep Sam Darnold AND draft a quarterback. Joe Douglas hates risk. First round quarterback success is a coin flip, and a job killer for a GM, if the GM get’s it wrong. Joe Douglas will draft a QB and keep Sam (without picking up the 5th year option). Keeping Sam reduces risk for Joe and the coaching staff. They can have a QB competition. They can have Sam start. They can ease a rookie QB in later in the year when scheme and system have been installed and the team is starting to gel. Sam Darnold is a scheme fit and Joe Douglas loves one year deals. There is no need to pick up Sam’s fifth year option, and he is an affordable veteran quarterback with upside. Joe Douglas loves draft picks but a second or third round pick will not change the franchise, and Sam is cheap insurance for Joe. Saleh is a leader that can handle a QB circus, and make the right QB call at the right time, just as Flores did with Fitz and Tua in Miami last year. Sam can audition... Sam sees what kinds of deals first round busts have recently received. Best case, he balls out and Jets have good problems to work through - pay him or transition to the rookie. In all likelihood he’s average and the Jet’s move on with certainty that the investment has been fully evaluated, a rookie has had time to adjust to the NFL, and no regrets on sunk costs with Sam. All of this reduced risk for price of a 2022 2nd or 3rd that has a less than 50% chance of yielding a serviceable starter. Joe likes that math. 3 1 2 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 39 minutes ago, PS17 said: 35 days Fcksake 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYJets8 Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 Just wait till the draft...lol dorks pontificating, and talking sports. Go get Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYJets8 Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 Just now, NYJets8 said: Just wait till the draft...lol dorks pontificating, and talking sports. Go get Go get lost till the draft. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PS17 Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, New York Mick said: Fcksake It feels like 35 months 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 If you were a GM and and rookie HC and wanted to win roughly eight games next year, you’d stick with the 24 year old QB with three years of starting experience (while adding a freak receiver and some more OL in the draft) versus staying put and drafting a wee project QB who played nobody. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronx Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 44 minutes ago, PS17 said: 35 days Suicide watch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cbucco19 Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 Jets Are drafting Wilson idc what anyone says ! Joe and the scouts love Zach . He is also way more impressive on the white board and In interviews . His best friend even knows it’s easier to build With a rookie QB ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K_O_Brien Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, Creepy Lurker said: I hope this is a smoke screen or saving face because I can’t imagine anyone is this stupid to not realize that Sam is trash and even if he was ok, the timing of his contract expiration alone makes him a lost cause. You can’t resign someone with as horrible of a first 3 years as him. 'Ok' would be a improvement on what he's shown in three years. Say Sam goes 25 tds 13 ints next year, a fairly realistic prediction. Now after four years in the League, Sam has 70 tds, 52 ints. Mitch Trubisky lost his starting job after 64 tds and 37 ints in four years, and will hold a clipboard on the sideline next year for $2.5 million a year. Minshew has a 3:1 td ratio and can't get a starting job. What kind of contract do the Jets expect to give Sam after three mediocre years and one ok version? And why would you even offer one, if the Bears didn't for Trubisky who had a better four year career? I trust Douglas is looking around the League and seeing the financial mess teams have found themselves in, after over-paying average QBs on their second contracts. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 7 minutes ago, T0mShane said: If you were a GM and and rookie HC and wanted to win roughly eight games next year, you’d stick with the 24 year old QB with three years of starting experience (while adding a freak receiver and some more OL in the draft) versus staying put and drafting a wee project QB who played nobody. He also looks like the neighbor from Married With Children, so there's that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cbucco19 Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 Just now, K_O_Brien said: 'Ok' would be a improvement on what he's shown in three years. Say Sam goes 25 tds 13 ints next year, a fairly realistic prediction. Now after four years in the League, Sam has 70 tds, 52 ints. Mitch Trubisky lost his starting job after 64 tds and 37 ints in four years, and will hold a clipboard on the sideline next year for $2.5 million a year. Minshew has a 3:1 td ratio and can't get a starting job. What kind of contract do the Jets expect to give Sam after three mediocre years and one ok version? And why would you even offer one, if the Bears didn't for Trubisky who had a better four year career? I trust Douglas is looking around the League and seeing the financial mess teams have found themselves in, after over-paying average QBs on their second contracts. Everyone stating Douglas loves Draft picks but he as also stated how beautful it is to have a Rookie QB contract ??♂️ 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 Have they guessed each and every scenario yet? We've had they "want to keep Darnold". They want to "move on to Wilson". Now, wait for it. a little bit of both. "JD wants Wilson and coaching staff wants Darnold." Hey, my logic says it would be the other way around for this one. The people in the building who saw Sam in practice and games, if they weren't horrified, would want to stay with Sam and the coaches, without any loyalty would roll with a shiny new QB. I just cant hint that I have inside info. Just common sense and logic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 Draft Wilson. Keep Darnold. Let them compete. Welcome to being a ******* adult. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 My dudes, I'm trying to tell you, they're trading out and running it back with Sammy. BRACE YOURSELVES!!!!!!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cbucco19 Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, JiF said: My dudes, I'm trying to tell you, they're trading out and running it back with Sammy. BRACE YOURSELVES!!!!!!!!! $100 !! Sam will not be here .. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 56 minutes ago, football guy said: They were there to see Garoppolo lead the 49ers to the Super Bowl, and they think that caliber of player is a realistic floor for Darnold. If they really think this then they're so stupid that frankly it doesn't matter who they draft 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JustInFudge Posted March 26, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 26, 2021 5 minutes ago, Cbucco19 said: $100 !! Sam will not be here .. Whoa, who's got 100 bucks laying around these days!?!?! Big balla! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Necroto Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 When Douglas came to the Jets he said in part it was because of Sam. Buyer beware with Zach. I question how he will be in locker room considering he was not voted as a captain by his teammates. Second is his health-shoulder. He is playing football. Third level of competition considering he had one good year. Sam on the other hand is well liked in the locker room, he has demonstrated leadership, physically and mentally he is strong. How will Zach handle New York if he starts off slow. NFL is lot faster than college.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 1 hour ago, football guy said: It truly is fascinating. The coaches see Darnold as someone who is more talented than Garoppolo, and given how their scheme does a lot more to promote QB efficiency and clean play, they don't think Darnold is as big of a risk as the media/fans make him out to be. They were there to see Garoppolo lead the 49ers to the Super Bowl, and they think that caliber of player is a realistic floor for Darnold. It really all comes down to the market for #2. I have no idea if Atlanta will be interested in moving up, Carolina executive acting coy about trading up, Denver interested in Darnold more so than making a big draft-day move, haven't heard anything about San Fran moving up/Jets moving outside the top 10, and I'd be shocked if they considered dealing a QB to New England, even though the front offices get along. I do think Carolina would trade if push comes to shove; not buying that they're passing up on QBs this year. The sleeper team is Philadelphia. They've done wild things before so can't rule them out entirely. It just seems obvious to me they should trade the 2, then grab a QB suited to be an insurance policy - but, otherwise give Sam a shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 17 minutes ago, dbatesman said: If they really think this then they're so stupid that frankly it doesn't matter who they draft MORE talented than Garoppolo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dbatesman Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said: MORE talented than Garoppolo Extremely reassured to know that Darnold's floor is "starting QB of a Super Bowl team" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 4 minutes ago, dbatesman said: Extremely reassured to know that Darnold's floor is "starting QB of a Super Bowl team" Me too. All the fancy metrics out there can't capture that quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebuzzardman Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 False narrative to drive tabloid clicks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lith Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 1 minute ago, Jetlife33 said: We all will. 5 weeks from tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cbucco19 Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 ??♂️??♂️ Just saying . Medicals Check out he will be the pick . Mort stated earlier in offseason that he thought sam was staying.. he has done a 180 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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