The Douglas Decision: Wilson vs this—

[Paradis]

I’d say Fields too, but that will just derail the question. 

What you’re seeing below could be the Jets if they trade back (more or less). Are you all that set on Wilson. Put your GM cap on for a moment and ruminate. 

 

[Tranquilo]

They could have 50 picks over the next 3 years but if the QB sucks it won’t matter. I rather not pass up on Wilson and just use the same haul the Niners used to move up for a QB next year. 

[kdels62]

4 minutes ago, Paradis said:

I’d say Fields too, but that will just derail the question. 

What you’re seeing below could be the Jets if they trade back (more or less). Are you all that set on Wilson. Put your GM cap on for a moment and ruminate. 

 

They only have 1 first rounder in 2022

[section314]

If they are gonna roll with Tua, they can do whatever they want. They'll stink.

[Guilhermezmc]

Without a QB you're nothing, this is not the NBA where a good team can get a superstar on free agency and then become a championship team, superstars qb don't hit free agency. You can have a boat load of picks, but you're going to have to trade they to go up in the draft and get a QB so this mat is kinda flawed.

[OMA]

The Miami Bears... 

[Guilhermezmc]

Just base yourself to what SF had to do to get to the 3rd spot in the draft.

[Irish Jet]

We have the worst starting QB in football. Go and get the best one.

[nycdan]

10 minutes ago, Paradis said:

I’d say Fields too, but that will just derail the question. 

What you’re seeing below could be the Jets if they trade back (more or less). Are you all that set on Wilson. Put your GM cap on for a moment and ruminate. 

 

Except this is wrong.  MIA trade one of their 2022 first rounders back to PHI to get to #6.

[BleedinGreenNC]

Get Wilson and lets go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[slats]

8 minutes ago, Tranquilo said:

They could have 50 picks over the next 3 years but if the QB sucks it won’t matter. I rather not pass up on Wilson and just use the same haul the Niners used to move up for a QB next year. 

What if Wilson doesn’t live up to the hype, though? 
 
Gonna be a tough call for JD if Carolina offers the #8, their second this year, and firsts in 2022 & 2023. Or maybe not. But that’s where the price is about now. 

[nycdan]

3 minutes ago, Irish Jet said:

We have the worst starting QB in football. Go and get the best one.

He's under contract for 9 more years.

[QB1]

So we build a super team that is good enough to go 9-7 with no QB play and then are stuck in purgatory because we can’t ever draft high enough to have a QB. 

[Tranquilo]

Just now, slats said:

What if Wilson doesn’t live up to the hype, though? 
 
Gonna be a tough call for JD if Carolina offers the #8, their second this year, and firsts in 2022 & 2023. Or maybe not. But that’s where the price is about now. 

Then you live with it. We already know what Sam is. Time to give it another go. 

[RedBeardedSavage]

13 minutes ago, Tranquilo said:

They could have 50 picks over the next 3 years but if the QB sucks it won’t matter. I rather not pass up on Wilson and just use the same haul the Niners used to move up for a QB next year. 

 

14 minutes ago, Paradis said:

I’d say Fields too, but that will just derail the question. 

What you’re seeing below could be the Jets if they trade back (more or less). Are you all that set on Wilson. Put your GM cap on for a moment and ruminate. 

 

It's tough to argue with @Tranquilo's assessment.

All of those picks + Tua... I'm not so certain that's better than Zach Wilson + 23 this year, 2 firsts next year and whatever bag of trailmix we get thrown for Sam Darnold. 

[Warfish]

16 minutes ago, Paradis said:

I’d say Fields too, but that will just derail the question. 

What you’re seeing below could be the Jets if they trade back (more or less). Are you all that set on Wilson. Put your GM cap on for a moment and ruminate. 

 

There is no trade back now.

Get used to hoping you're wrong about Wilson Paradis.

[Paradis]

Just now, Warfish said:

There is no trade back now.

Get used to hoping you're wrong about Wilson Paradis.

I see you slept thru the other threads. 

[Warfish]

2 minutes ago, Paradis said:

I see you slept thru the other threads. 

Or don't read every thread while at work.

What did I miss, you now a Wilson hype-head too like everyone else?

[Paradis]

1 minute ago, Warfish said:

Or don't read every thread while at work.

What did I miss, you now a Wilson hype-head too like everyone else?

 

[Jet Nut]

26 minutes ago, Paradis said:

I’d say Fields too, but that will just derail the question. 

What you’re seeing below could be the Jets if they trade back (more or less). Are you all that set on Wilson. Put your GM cap on for a moment and ruminate. 

 

They didnt give up any picks to move up 6 spots?

Who cares though, we can't control what they traded for or what they'll turn those picks into.

We have to put the best team on the field and right now that seems to point to Wilson 

[Warfish]

6 minutes ago, Paradis said:

 

Other than you taking a bow and living in a fantasy world where we're not taking Wilson and we're planning an even bigger bester trade down, what did I miss.

No mate, I think I'll stick with my first comment:  Get used to hoping you're wrong about Wilson.  Same as me.

[RutgersJetFan]

16 minutes ago, slats said:

What if Wilson doesn’t live up to the hype, though? 

What if the QB they draft is bad? Gee I dunno slats that's gonna be some real unprecedented territory for us and I guess we'll have to learn how to deal with such a unique situation.

[Paradis]

1 minute ago, Warfish said:

Other than you taking a bow and living in a fantasy world where we're not taking Wilson and we're planning an even bigger bester trade down, what did I miss.

No mate, I think I'll stick with my first comment:  Get used to hoping you're wrong about Wilson.  Same as me.

Great talking to you. 

[Warfish]

1 minute ago, Paradis said:

Great talking to you. 

[Jet Nut]

7 minutes ago, Paradis said:

 

Or maybe Carolina sees where the bar has been set and says we'll wait for Watson to be dealt

The bigger point is the 49rs could have offered that trade to the Jets and if the Jets were interested in moving down they'd still be negotiating for the much more valuable #2.  Think its pretty obvious the Jets are standing pat and taking a QB.  

 

[slats]

1 minute ago, RutgersJetFan said:

What if the QB they draft is bad? Gee I dunno slats that's gonna be some real unprecedented territory for us and I guess we'll have to learn how to deal with such a unique situation.

Lol, exactly! 
 
All the hype around this low level competition QB with the surgically repaired throwing shoulder has me more than a little nervous. 

[RutgersJetFan]

1 minute ago, slats said:

Lol, exactly! 
 
All the hype around this low level competition QB with the surgically repaired throwing shoulder has me more than a little nervous. 

Well, there's your problem. You are expecting something good to happen. And that's dumb.

[oatmeal]

The 49ers who have on roster a better QB than ours, was supposedly so high on Darnold, passed on Sam, gave up more to get a rookie QB in this draft class where we have the pick of the litter after Lawrence.
 

We have the worst QB in the league on a expiring contract in a highly touted draft class and jet fans think we should trade down??  And I have terrible takes? 
 
 

lmaoooo

[Sperm Edwards]

12 minutes ago, slats said:

What if Wilson doesn’t live up to the hype, though? 
 
Gonna be a tough call for JD if Carolina offers the #8, their second this year, and firsts in 2022 & 2023. Or maybe not. But that’s where the price is about now. 

There are no routes that have no risk. Eventually he's got to draft a QB.

If he does it this year, and it doesn't pan out, Douglas gets this swing & a miss out of the way. Just from a job longevity standpoint, Douglas has a long enough contract. So if he takes a swing now, then even if he misses (just say it's Wilson) I'd say there's a strong chance he gets a second swing at it 2-3 years later. Outside of this #2 pick he's still got enough draft pick resources to show he's a good drafter. 

If he waits another year - or if Darnold or Darnold's backup look barely good enough to return in 2022 and then flop, putting this off 2 years - while 2 or more QBs he passed on are now top 5-10 passers, he may never get that opportunity to draft his own QB. Or at best, he only gets one crack at something that certainly doesn't carry a 100% success rate. Then someone else comes in to replace him, promising Woody he'll correct this grave GM error, and says he'll save the day using extra 1st round picks Douglas accumulated & cap space he hoarded. 

If trading down, sure Douglas may be building up a good young core, assuming these picks mostly pan out, but they're unlikely to reach their peaks as rookies or 2nd year players & the team could still stink on ice, while the team still is in last place in the division yet again. Then the QB he takes later may be a worse prospect than any he's got access to this year and that's who he bets his career on instead. 

In the end it'll just depend on guessing right at QB more than what other picks he could've had. If he guesses right on Wilson (or Fields or whomever) then come contract extension time no one's going to remind Woody about maybe the extra pick #24 he didn't get in 2022 (a year when he already had 2 #1 picks as it is). 

[jetstream23]

The real question in my mind is how much better is Wilson than Darnold?

If Wilson will be a significant improvement then you take him at #2 regardless of the opportunity cost associated with not trading down.

If Wilson turns out to be only 10% better than Sam then sticking and picking will be a bad move.

 

And for those asking, "Well, what do you mean by 10% better?  How do you quantify that?"  A data driven answer would be QB Rating.  According to the link below Sam Darnold had a Rating of 68.  A 10% improvement would put him at approximately 75 and on par with guys like Teddy Bridgewater and Tua Tagovailoa.

Click the link then click the RTG column heading to sort by QB Rating  --> https://www.lineups.com/nfl/quarterback-qb-stats

[Jet Life]

The pick is Wilson, basically a lock. Get used to it folks 

[slats]

2 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

Well, there's your problem. You are expecting something good to happen. And that's dumb.

Expecting? That would be dumb. It’s proven dumb enough to just simply hope. 

[Jet25]

Dolphins have their QB that they believe in so of course they traded their top pick. We on the other hand do not have a franchise QB to accept any trade backs

[BornJetsFan1983]

25 minutes ago, slats said:

What if Wilson doesn’t live up to the hype, though? 
 
Gonna be a tough call for JD if Carolina offers the #8, their second this year, and firsts in 2022 & 2023. Or maybe not. But that’s where the price is about now. 

would you do it? cause im all on the wilson hype train and leaning towards no. 

[jeremy2020]

32 minutes ago, Irish Jet said:

We have the worst starting QB in football. Go and get the best one.

I don't think he's available for trade, but it's worth taking a shot in the draft.