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Jordan RaananESPN Staff Writer 
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EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- If New York Giants general manager Dave Gettleman needed a reminder of his past indiscretions, Friday's action around the NFL should have done the trick.

Let's begin with this disclaimer (one that I've repeated countless times over the past three years): This has almost nothing to do with running back Saquon Barkley, a fabulous performer who plays a grueling position that has already taken its toll on his pro career. He just so happens to be the face behind a string of mistakes that have led us to this point, where the Giants have 15 wins and zero winning seasons over the past three years.

It's relevant right now because the Miami Dolphins showed everyone Friday what a top-five pick can be worth in what is perceived as a strong NFL draft for quarterbacks. The Dolphins traded the No. 3 overall pick to the San Francisco 49ers for the No. 12 selection this year, a first- and third-round pick in 2022 and a first-round pick in 2023. That's quite the haul, one that gives Miami flexibility to make all kinds of corresponding moves. For instance, this one: The Dolphins then traded back up to No. 6 overall using some of the assets they had just obtained.

Now the Dolphins can get their playmaker (or whichever non-quarterback they are targeting) this year after having collected more valuable draft resources. Good chance they get their target playmaker considering it would be an upset if three of the first five picks are not quarterbacks.

 

A move like this would have made a ton of sense if the Giants had gone this route during the 2018 NFL draft -- when they held the No. 2 overall pick -- assuming they weren't going to take a quarterback. Which they weren't, because of their love for Barkley and their emotional attachment to former QB Eli Manning. They could have traded down for offensive lineman Quenton Nelson -- which the Indianapolis Colts did when they swapped pick No. 3 for No. 6 with the New York Jets -- or perhaps to another spot inside the top five where they might have still had a chance to land Barkley. The Jets were undoubtedly taking a quarterback; they eventually drafted Sam Darnold.

So many viable options for the Giants. None taken.

The decision to not take a quarterback was debatable on its own, especially considering the organization decided to roll it back another season with a 37-year-old Manning. The Giants put off their franchise quarterback decision for another year before settling on Daniel Jones, selecting him with the No. 6 overall pick in 2019.

But in 2018, Gettleman was in love with Barkley and haughtily admitted afterward in a team website report that "once Cleveland took [QB] Baker [Mayfield at No. 1 overall], I told our guys don't even waste your time [picking up the phone]. We're taking Saquon."

Huh!?!?

Reminder: Quarterbacks Josh Rosen, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson and Darnold were on the board. All were highly regarded at the time. Darnold, Rosen and Allen were selected in the top 10 along with Mayfield, and Jackson joined them in the first round. It's revisionist history at this point, but in their first three years in the NFL, Allen was an MVP candidate for the Buffalo Bills this past season and the Baltimore Ravens' Jackson already has one of those trophies on his mantel.

Those decisions in that 2018 draft are major factors in why the Giants are where they are, spending big in NFL free agency this offseason to try to get back to respectability. The Giants have gone 5-11, 4-12 and 6-10 since that draft.

The misappropriation of assets in the 2018 draft hasn't been their only misstep, it's just the highest-profile gaffe. Even the Giants realize it and have readily admitted to some of the mistakes -- draft and free agency included.

"There's no defending the record. There's no defending that at all," Giants owner John Mara said recently. "We haven't won enough games. But listen, we made some miscalculations in 2018 with some of our personnel decisions."

It hurts to be reminded of past mistakes, but it is also important to learn from them. This way history doesn't repeat itself.

In Gettleman's defense (and perhaps with a major assist from coach Joe Judge), the Giants do seem headed in the right direction. The signings this offseason of wide receiver Kenny Golladay, cornerback Adoree' Jackson and defensive lineman Leonard Williams assure that their talent level continues to get better. This is by far the best roster the Giants will put on the field since Gettleman took over three years ago.

If Jones makes the jump this season (which is a huge "if"), and Barkley returns to his rookie form after tearing his ACL this past season, Gettleman will have the last laugh about the 2018 draft, and seeing the type of moves being made by the Dolphins won't elicit any bad memories about mistakes of the past.

In the meantime, it's hard not to think about the possibilities when other NFL teams are stockpiling gobs of first-round selections from quarterback-desperate teams in exchange for top picks while the Giants, not so long ago, drafted a running back at No. 2 overall.

 


 

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6 hours ago, jetstream23 said:

This is the one area where I think Joe D has flourished thus far.... understanding value and positioning with both draft picks and players.  His trades of both Leo Williams and Jamal Adams (two excellent starters) were pretty well-executed considering the circumstances with those players, the years they were in with their contracts, potential hold-outs in camp, the fact they didn't play the premium D spots of CB, Edge rusher, etc.  Joe's acumen here is further supported by his trade down in Round 2 last year, a move that puzzled me at first until he got Denzel Mims later.  He knew what he was doing.

Gettleman's affection for Saquon is fine, his misunderstanding of the value of his #2 pick isn't.  It hurt the Giants.  He probably could have landed Barkley later or gotten Quenton Nelson as a consolation prize by trading down.

Joe D is on the clock again.  With a very valuable #2 pick there's no doubt he's either using it on a QB or trading down.  The last thing he'd do is use it on a non-premium position.  Now, what he does with Darnold is another question.... can he pull off a better than expected trade?  Can he do something like he did with Leo and Adams, get more than most people expect?  We'll find out in one month.

With what happened Friday with SF narrowed the playing field. It all comes down to Panthers and maybe Denver to a lesser extent. Falcons (doubtful w/Ryan) Are really in the catbird seat at #4 for Fields or Lance. It comes down to Fields pro day. If Fields looks underwhelming (which I doubt) then Wilson becomes of greater importance. 
This also effects Darnold trade market with some team like the Bears on the outside looking to trade for Qb. 

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8 hours ago, T0mShane said:

On the other hand, the Dolphins suck and are going nowhere.

Unfortunately not😩

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The giants biggest problem is Joe Judge

 

i wouldn’t be shocked at all if their next season is a train wreck primarily thanks to him

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43 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said:

With what happened Friday with SF narrowed the playing field. It all comes down to Panthers and maybe Denver to a lesser extent. Falcons (doubtful w/Ryan) Are really in the catbird seat at #4 for Fields or Lance. It comes down to Fields pro day. If Fields looks underwhelming (which I doubt) then Wilson becomes of greater importance. 
This also effects Darnold trade market with some team like the Bears on the outside looking to trade for Qb. 

We're not trading.  You have to know the Jets were offered that deal or maybe a little better for the only pick that controls which QB SF gets and the Jets didnt make the move.  They want the QB and its seems to be Wilson 

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6 hours ago, jetstream23 said:

This is the one area where I think Joe D has flourished thus far.... understanding value and positioning with both draft picks and players.  His trades of both Leo Williams and Jamal Adams (two excellent starters) were pretty well-executed considering the circumstances with those players, the years they were in with their contracts, potential hold-outs in camp, the fact they didn't play the premium D spots of CB, Edge rusher, etc.  Joe's acumen here is further supported by his trade down in Round 2 last year, a move that puzzled me at first until he got Denzel Mims later.  He knew what he was doing.

Gettleman's affection for Saquon is fine, his misunderstanding of the value of his #2 pick isn't.  It hurt the Giants.  He probably could have landed Barkley later or gotten Quenton Nelson as a consolation prize by trading down.

Joe D is on the clock again.  With a very valuable #2 pick there's no doubt he's either using it on a QB or trading down.  The last thing he'd do is use it on a non-premium position.  Now, what he does with Darnold is another question.... can he pull off a better than expected trade?  Can he do something like he did with Leo and Adams, get more than most people expect?  We'll find out in one month.

Gettleman could have traded down and still gotten Saquon.  Teams wanted QBs that draft and there were a lot deemed 1st round talent.  A RB 2nd overall?  He gets yards, not that I love how he gets them but that doesnt get you wins.  

He did the same thing with D Jones.  Reached for Jones at 6, as if anyone was going to steal him away when he could have drafted J Allen or E Oliver and still drafted Jones with their 2nd first.  If he had taken Oliver he wouldnt have had to trade for L Williams to play DT, saving a third round pick

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Just now, Jet Nut said:

Gettleman could have traded down and still gotten Saquon.  Teams wanted QBs that draft and there were a lot deemed 1st round talent.  A RB 2nd overall?  He gets yards, not that I love how he gets them but that doesnt get you wins.  

He did the same thing with D Jones.  Reached for Jones at 6, as if anyone was going to steal him away when he could have drafted J Allen or E Oliver and still drafted Jones with their 2nd first.  If he had taken Oliver he wouldnt have had to trade for L Williams to play DT, saving a third round pick

Jones’ problem is Judge.   He regressed last season with him.  He looked uncomfortable in his offense

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17 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

We're not trading.  You have to know the Jets were offered that deal or maybe a little better for the only pick that controls which QB SF gets and the Jets didnt make the move.  They want the QB and its seems to be Wilson 

Just covering all the bases. My 1st choice is Watson (with a reduced trade market) and then my 2nd is a rookie QB to reset the clock. Sam cannot be on the roster next year.

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14 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

Jones’ problem is Judge.   He regressed last season with him.  He looked uncomfortable in his offense

No cant agree, it was on Jones, there was nothing wrong with the system

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3 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said:

Just covering all the bases. My 1st choice is Watson (with a reduced trade market) and then my 2nd is a rookie QB to reset the clock. Sam cannot be on the roster next year.

Totally agree.

I just think the fact that the 9rs deal wasnt with the Jets shows that the Jets arent trading out of the 2nd spot which means QB.  

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8 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

No cant agree, it was on Jones, there was nothing wrong with the system

Under Joe Judge Daniel Jones went from 24 TD passes as a rookie to 11 last season

 

Joe Judge sucks.  Gase 2.0

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7 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

Under Joe Judge Daniel Jones went from 24 TD passes as a rookie to 11 last season

 

Joe Judge sucks.  Gase 2.0

Yeah and that definitely on the HC.  Who isnt even the OC 🙄

 

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3 hours ago, Philc1 said:

Under Joe Judge Daniel Jones went from 24 TD passes as a rookie to 11 last season

 

Joe Judge sucks.  Gase 2.0

Yes, but he was a very gruff tough guy and the beat reporters love that.

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4 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

Unfortunately not😩

Sadly your correct.  The Fish have a new sheriff in town, and it looks like he knows what he's doing.

IMO, here is the Dolphins plan.   At this point they still like Tua, and were going to move forward with him no matter what happened with Watson this year.  The "scandal" has really helped the Fish.   

The way it's shaping up I strongly doubt Watson will ever play for the Texans again.  With all the non-sense going on it is very possible he won't play at all this year.  

Next season, after Watson's  "hold out"/suspension, he will be on the market, cheaper.

If Tua works out, they're good to go with a ton of 22-23 draft picks.  If Tua doesn't work out, they will be in prime position to get Watson, and have a good team to surround him with. 

If the Jets trade #2, and also have draft capitol next year, Miami will just be a better place to go to for him.  Don't forget no matter what happens Watson will still have a no trade clause.   

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3 minutes ago, flgreen said:

Sadly your correct.  The Fish have a new sheriff in town, and it looks like he knows what he's doing.

IMO, here is the Dolphins plan.   At this point they still like Tua, and were going to move forward with him no matter what happened with Watson this year.  The "scandal" has really helped the Fish.   

The way it's shaping up I strongly doubt Watson will ever play for the Texans again.  With all the non-sense going on it is very possible he won't play at all this year.  

Next season, after Watson's  "hold out"/suspension, he will be on the market, cheaper.

If Tua works out, they're good to go with a ton of 22-23 draft picks.  If Tua doesn't work out, they will be in prime position to get Watson, and have a good team to surround him with. 

If the Jets trade #2, and also have draft capitol next year, Miami will just be a better place to go to for him.  Don't forget no matter what happens Watson will still have a no trade clause.   

If JD can turn this around the AFCE is going to be one hell of a division.

Especially if Bill and NE gets its shlt together 

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4 hours ago, Philc1 said:

The giants biggest problem is Joe Judge

 

i wouldn’t be shocked at all if their next season is a train wreck primarily thanks to him

Huh? I thought the coach was one of the only bright spots.

They were in every game and played a lot better then they  did the previous year.

 

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Yeah, the team that in a span of 1 year took Tua over Herbert and traded for Isiah Wynn is a beacon of how to succeed. Do they still have JaLo, Jimmy Buffett and Marc Antony as partners, and have to run all trades by them?😃

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4 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

Gettleman could have traded down and still gotten Saquon.  Teams wanted QBs that draft and there were a lot deemed 1st round talent.  A RB 2nd overall?  He gets yards, not that I love how he gets them but that doesnt get you wins.  

He did the same thing with D Jones.  Reached for Jones at 6, as if anyone was going to steal him away when he could have drafted J Allen or E Oliver and still drafted Jones with their 2nd first.  If he had taken Oliver he wouldnt have had to trade for L Williams to play DT, saving a third round pick

Great point.  And, he wouldn't be paying $20M+ per year for a DT.

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30 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

If JD can turn this around the AFCE is going to be one hell of a division.

Especially if Bill and NE gets its shlt together 

Competitive like it was in the 80's!  Let's just hope that we're not the team with the worst of the QBs again (although O'Brien was very good and never got the credit he deserved IMO).

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5 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

Competitive like it was in the 80's!  Let's just hope that we're not the team with the worst of the QBs again (although O'Brien was very good and never got the credit he deserved IMO).

Exactly

O'Brien never gets credit but he was one hell of a passer.  I do think he was better than Eason but Eason did earn an ass whooping by the Bears

But I'm sure a hater like Savage will chime in and recite the he never had a rushing TD line as if anyone should care

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40 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

Competitive like it was in the 80's!  Let's just hope that we're not the team with the worst of the QBs again (although O'Brien was very good and never got the credit he deserved IMO).

Far from worst.

Blackedge and Eason were in that draft (although only Eason was in our division).  Elway, Marino, Kelly, O'Brien, Eason, Blackege, in approximately that order although you could argue the first two easily.  And Blackege was actually the 2nd one taken whereas O'Brien was the 5th.

 

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5 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

Totally agree.

I just think the fact that the 9rs deal wasnt with the Jets shows that the Jets arent trading out of the 2nd spot which means QB.  

I’ll tell you though… if circumstances change for Houston Miami has conceivably taken themselves further out of the Watson sweepstakes this year. If Houston feels they need to start the rebuild now with their choice of Qb not TL, the Jets can provide that. Only question is whether the Jet as an organization feel DW situation will not reach the level of a suspension. More embarrassing than criminal

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1 hour ago, nycdan said:

Far from worst.

Blackedge and Eason were in that draft (although only Eason was in our division).  Elway, Marino, Kelly, O'Brien, Eason, Blackege, in approximately that order although you could argue the first two easily.  And Blackege was actually the 2nd one taken whereas O'Brien was the 5th.

 

It's just crazy that Dan Marino and Jim Kelly end up in the division the same time Ken O'Brien does.  Like I said, just hoping it's not something similar where we got Darnold (or get Wilson) and guys like Josh Allen, Tua, etc. turn out to be better and stick around the division for 15 years.  Marino/Kelly ruined the Jets chances through the 80's-90's and the Brady ruined it from 2001 onward.

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2 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

If JD can turn this around the AFCE is going to be one hell of a division.

Especially if Bill and NE gets its shlt together 

Agree

IMO the best plan for the Jets is to avoid getting in a bidding war with the Fish next season.  Fish have a high probably of winning the bidding, and Watson choosing them.  Leaving the Jets out in the cold.

IMO if Douglas is smart he takes Wilson at 2, uses the extra picks to buid a team.   

Yeah, Wilson has some risk, but the other options have a lot more risk, and could easily leave the Jets with their puds in their hands.

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14 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said:

I’ll tell you though… if circumstances change for Houston Miami has conceivably taken themselves further out of the Watson sweepstakes this year. If Houston feels they need to start the rebuild now with their choice of Qb not TL, the Jets can provide that. Only question is whether the Jet as an organization feel DW situation will not reach the level of a suspension. More embarrassing than criminal

Agree but Watson is a different kind of deal.  I totally believe that they believe their guy is Wilson and will pick him but if Watson becomes available?  Without the criminal issues hanging over his head hes everything you pray Wilson can become, a top 5 performer.  And throw in hes only 25 and its a no brainer.  All said and done I think given all the smoke, Jets dont make that deal if offered 

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1 hour ago, nycdan said:

Far from worst.

Blackedge and Eason were in that draft (although only Eason was in our division).  Elway, Marino, Kelly, O'Brien, Eason, Blackege, in approximately that order although you could argue the first two easily.  And Blackege was actually the 2nd one taken whereas O'Brien was the 5th.

 

We bitch about passing on Marino, how about KC?  They passed on Kelly and Marino, two HOF QBs.  Eason and O'Brien were miles better than Blackledge but they wanted a PSU QB for some reason 

Gives me hope.  KC won a SB a year after the Jets and were a bigger failure than the Jets all through this great run theyre on.  Started with the GM and HC change.  

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10 minutes ago, flgreen said:

Agree

IMO the best plan for the Jets is to avoid getting in a bidding war with the Fish next season.  Fish have a high probably of winning the bidding, and Watson choosing them.  Leaving the Jets out in the cold.

IMO if Douglas is smart he takes Wilson at 2, uses the extra picks to buid a team.   

Yeah, Wilson has some risk, but the other options have a lot more risk, and could easily leave the Jets with their puds in their hands.

If we dont get Watson this year and I dont see that happening, we're not getting into a bidding war for Watson because I would bet we draft Wilson and then we're tied to him for the next 4-5 years min.  

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10 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Agree but Watson is a different kind of deal.  I totally believe that they believe their guy is Wilson and will pick him but if Watson becomes available?  Without the criminal issues hanging over his head hes everything you pray Wilson can become, a top 5 performer.  And throw in hes only 25 and its a no brainer.  All said and done I think given all the smoke, Jets dont make that deal if offered 

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JD playing poker with Houston, Carolina, Denver & Chicago. His chips are unequaled draft capital and a killer poker face.  He also has the Darnold card up his sleeve. 

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