Panthers Disaster?

[Shockwave]

https://catcrave.com/2021/03/26/carolina-panthers-disaster-grade-49ers-move-3/

 

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Disaster grade for Carolina Panthers after 49ers move up to No. 3

 

by Dean Jones1 day ago Follow @DeanJones_

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Where do the Carolina Panthers’ plans for a new quarterback go from here after a bombshell trade between the Miami Dolphins and San Francisco 49ers?

The Carolina Panthers were dealt a significant blow to their hopes of landing one of the top quarterback prospects in the 2021 NFL Draft. Rumors have been swirling about the organization looking to get an upgrade on Teddy Bridgewater one way or another this offseason and considering the situation evolving regarding Deshaun Watson, landing a top college recruit was the most realistic option.

 

However, the San Francisco 49ers have thrown a significant spanner in the works by moving from No. 12 all the way up to No. 3 overall after a bombshell trade with the Miami Dolphins.

According to ESPN’s Adam Schefter, the Niners gave up two first-rounders in 2022 and 2023, together with a third-round pick this year to get their chance at a franchise quarterback to potentially replace Jimmy Garroppolo.

There is a chance they don’t select a signal-caller. But teams don’t give up this sort of capital unless it’s for a quarterback.

A San Francisco source told Schefter that Garroppolo is “their guy next year“. Again, this means nothing if they want to take Justin Fields or Trey Lance and have them sit behind a veteran for a season.

Either way, this is a big problem for the Panthers.

Bridgewater’s inability to get it done with the game on the line saw him go 0-8 on game-winning or tying drives cost Carolina a surprise playoff berth. It would also make for an incredibly awkward situation if the former Louisville standout was their undisputed No. 1 by the time OTAs roll around.

Whether the Panthers are playing the long game for Watson is up for debate. His civil suits won’t be resolved by the draft and he still might face a suspension from the NFL if history has taught us anything. So it might be a case of strengthening other positional groups until the time comes where a call can be made to the Houston Texans down the line.

That is a risky move to make. But the simple fact is Carolina made this bed for themselves when they opted to ditch Cam Newton in favor of giving Bridgewater a three-year, $63 million deal with a $15 million signing bonus and $33 million guaranteed.

 

Hopefully, the Panthers have a plan.

But sitting on their hands seems to have cost them the chance at one of the potentially elite quarterbacks entering the NFL this year.

No way the Atlanta Falcons will be trading out of No. 4 just so an NFC South rival can select a player who’ll make things more difficult for them. The Cincinnati Bengalswon’t want to run the risk of losing out on stud left tackle Penei Sewell or a reunion between Ja’Marr Chase and Joe Burrow, so it might be a case of holding firm on the off chance Lance does fall to them at No. 8.

Considering the buzz surrounding the North Dakota State standout, this is unlikely.

Mac Jones? No thanks.

 

The Alabama quarterback might be good in the right fit. But the Panthers want a player that can get them excited after years languishing in mediocrity following their Super Bowl 50 appearance.

Carolina Panthers disaster grade: B+

This is one of the worst possible outcomes for the Panthers and makes things incredibly difficult for them. They might pull a rabbit out of the hat. But even if the organization does end up with someone like Sam Darnold, Jones, or another development project as their possible options, it is a far cry from their ambitious plans at the start of the offseason that included Watson or Matthew Stafford.

 

Simply a Fan Article but we are not talking about the Panthers enough. The trades that happened last week were actually extremely beneficial for the Jets. Why?

1. It gave a comp for a Jets trade to be made. It makes trade talks easier and will give us a better return if a trade happens. 

2. The trade absolutely screwed the Panthers who seem absolutely desperate for a QB. 

 

As of right now the draft looks to start with 

1. Lawrence. 

2. Wilson. 

3. Lance. 

4 Atlanta - Could take Fields. They are scouting QB's hard. But even if not there are not trading with Carolina who is in their division. 

5. Cincy - Sewell falls in their laps. Can't see them trading. 

6. Miami - Pitts/Chase falls in their laps. Can't see them trading. 

7. Detroit - Also could take Fields or could trade down with Denver/NE. 

8. Carolina - The GM didn't even go to Mac Jones Pro Day. This is QB or Bust for them and they're not getting a top 4 QB. 

The Board right now essentially is trading up with the Jets for the Panthers or things could get really ugly in Carolina. I know many people saw Wilson's Pro Day and think this whole conversation is done. That is not the case. The Jets trade down talks are just getting started and with the SF trade our offers should be a-lot better than we anticipated. There should be alot of smoke between the Jets/Panthers the next 2 weeks. 

It should also be noted that this isn't the Niners who will be drafting 20 or later yearly. Carolina could be sending our way top ten picks in 2022 and 2023. If a trade happens the Jets will be absolutely loaded in the next few years. 

[Adoni Beast]

11 minutes ago, Shockwave said:The Board right now essentially is trading up with the Jets for the Panthers or things could get really ugly in Carolina. I know many people saw Wilson's Pro Day and think this whole conversation is done. That is not the case. The Jets trade down talks are just getting started and with the SF trade our offers should be a-lot better than we anticipated. There should be alot of smoke between the Jets/Panthers the next 2 weeks. 

The Jets trade down is over sir.

The Jets would have happily taken SF’s massive offer if they were looking for a trade down.

The Jets would have traded down to 6 with Philly, who love Zach Wilson if they were looking for a trade down.

The Panthers have a better shot of landing Watson in a trade than the #2 pick.

[HighPitch]

NOOoOoOOoOoO

[kevinc855]

Thoughts and prayers robby 

[Jets723]

I agree with you it’s certainly beneficial for the Jets.  

[Maxman]

31 minutes ago, Shockwave said:

https://catcrave.com/2021/03/26/carolina-panthers-disaster-grade-49ers-move-3/

 

 

Simply a Fan Article but we are not talking about the Panthers enough. The trades that happened last week were actually extremely beneficial for the Jets. Why?

1. It gave a comp for a Jets trade to be made. It makes trade talks easier and will give us a better return if a trade happens. 

2. The trade absolutely screwed the Panthers who seem absolutely desperate for a QB. 

 

As of right now the draft looks to start with 

1. Lawrence. 

2. Wilson. 

3. Lance. 

4 Atlanta - Could take Fields. They are scouting QB's hard. But even if not there are not trading with Carolina who is in their division. 

5. Cincy - Sewell falls in their laps. Can't see them trading. 

6. Miami - Pitts/Chase falls in their laps. Can't see them trading. 

7. Detroit - Also could take Fields or could trade down with Denver/NE. 

8. Carolina - The GM didn't even go to Mac Jones Pro Day. This is QB or Bust for them and they're not getting a top 4 QB. 

The Board right now essentially is trading up with the Jets for the Panthers or things could get really ugly in Carolina. I know many people saw Wilson's Pro Day and think this whole conversation is done. That is not the case. The Jets trade down talks are just getting started and with the SF trade our offers should be a-lot better than we anticipated. There should be alot of smoke between the Jets/Panthers the next 2 weeks. 

It should also be noted that this isn't the Niners who will be drafting 20 or later yearly. Carolina could be sending our way top ten picks in 2022 and 2023. If a trade happens the Jets will be absolutely loaded in the next few years. 

If the jets make a trade with the Panthers it is to send sam darnold back to ay catch with robbie.

[Integrity28]

I’ll take #4 and Matt Ryan for # 2.

Let ATL start over. Give us the proven vet who played his best in Shanny O. Throw Sam on the bench, then extend him next year for backup pay.

Don’t have to think WB for another 4-5 years.

 

[Shockwave]

12 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said:

The Jets trade down is over sir.

The Jets would have happily taken SF’s massive offer if they were looking for a trade down.

The Jets would have traded down to 6 with Philly, who love Zach Wilson if they were looking for a trade down.

The Panthers have a better shot of landing Watson in a trade than the #2 pick.

The Jets were never going lower than 8. Thats been reported since the start so that rules out SF. 

The Eagles wanted to move down. He had to retweet to clear up what he had said earlier. 

 

The Whole talk of the last month from @football guy and common sense is that the Jets would weigh offers after Pro Day/Medicals. Most teams don't trade up for players until after they see them in person as well as SF traded up after the Lance Pro Day. 

Wilson just had his Pro Day. Fields is up soon. Perhaps we stay where we are if we don't get the right offer. But this whole trade down convo for the Jets is  just getting started and I think the Jets are going to get some very strong offers. 

[Shockwave]

3 minutes ago, Maxman said:

If the jets make a trade with the Panthers it is to send sam darnold back to ay catch with robbie.

Im fine with that if a trade down doesn't work. 2.8 is a great spot in the draft. 

If you read Rhule's comments earlier this offseason no way this team is going into the season with Bridgewater. Something is happening(No QB Signed yet) with them and they match up extremely well with us. 

[Barry McCockinner]

23 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said:

The Jets trade down is over sir.

The Jets would have happily taken SF’s massive offer if they were looking for a trade down.

The Jets would have traded down to 6 with Philly, who love Zach Wilson if they were looking for a trade down.

The Panthers have a better shot of landing Watson in a trade than the #2 pick.

Why are you assuming the Jets were willing to drop all the way to 12?

Why are you assuming Philly offered a trade to #2? Was there any news about this?

Any reason why Atlanta wouldn't offer a trade for #2?  Carolina could still get crazy and F around.

[fullblast]

6 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

I’ll take #4 and Matt Ryan for # 2.

Let ATL start over. Give us the proven vet who played his best in Shanny O. Throw Sam on the bench, then extend him next year for backup pay.

Don’t have to think WB for another 4-5 years.

 

[Maxman]

10 minutes ago, Shockwave said:

Im fine with that if a trade down doesn't work. 2.8 is a great spot in the draft. 

If you read Rhule's comments earlier this offseason no way this team is going into the season with Bridgewater. Something is happening(No QB Signed yet) with them and they match up extremely well with us. 

Yeah maybe once the Jets get Wilson's medical stuff in a week or so the Jets will trade Sam. Carolina makes sense.

The Jets taking Wilson at 2 is a done deal though imo.

[nycdan]

If Rhule is truly desperate, he might throw a godzilla offer at Douglas to move up.  I think that's a call JD takes.

Three firsts?  to move down to 8?  He's probably not hanging up the phone just yet.

At 8, Pitts and Chase are likely gone.  But you can't spell 8later without 8.  Not saying it's the right move, but the Jets have not come right out and said the pick is not for sale.  Now they might only be willing to go down as far as 4 with ATL but I think this is going to drag on until the actual draft.

The good news is, we are in the driver's seat.  Not making a trade still works for us.  Enjoy the journey.

[Joe W. Namath]

They are right about one thing: Carolina getting Darnold would be a complete disaster.

[Jetsbb]

Joe Douglas has said the only time he wouldn't take a call on a player was for a franchise QB. From all indications Joe is enamored with Zach Wilson and thinks he will be a star. There is no offer Joe is willing to listen to that will make him move the pick. Why did Adam Schefter say the 49ers had trade talks with all the teams in the top 5 except the Jaguars and Jets? The Dolphins could have traded the pick with the Eagles straight up instead of going down and up. The Eagles wanted Zach Wilson but knew the #2 pick is off limits and #3 wouldn't get him. Forget about the trade down the #2 pick is not open for  business based on Joe Douglas own words.

[UntouchableCrew]

The fact the the 9ers (Saleh's old team we have a great relationship with) traded to 3 instead of with us and that the Eagles (JDs old team) were reported by Rapaport to have been interested in trading up to 3 but only for WIlson tells you everything you need to know.

We're drafting Zach Wilson at 2.

[Sonny Werblin]

23 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said:

The Jets trade down is over sir.

The Jets would have happily taken SF’s massive offer if they were looking for a trade down.

The Jets would have traded down to 6 with Philly, who love Zach Wilson if they were looking for a trade down.

The Panthers have a better shot of landing Watson in a trade than the #2 pick.

That is a good take, but there is a scenario you do not account for.

Perhaps JD was asking more for the #2 than SF and Philly were willing to offer. Now that SF and Philly have done their deals, the options that are available to the Panthers are to trade up to 4 with Atlanta and take the QB that falls to them out of Wilson, Fields or Lance or trade up with the Jets to get the non-lawrence QB of their choosing. The question is do the Panthers have a preference. If they love one of the QB's, they trade with the Jets. If they believe them near equals, they trade with Atlanta.

As for what they can trade, they have plenty of draft capital to beat the Niners offer by a large margin. The Niners gave the 12th pick, a compensatory 3d round pick, and their first round picks for the next two season. The Panthers can offer the 8th pick, 39th pick (2d round) and their first round picks the next two seasons.  That is substantially higher offer. We've seen that JD just doesn't take the best offer, rather he sets a price and gets what he wants in a trade taking advantage of other GM's desperate notions that they "need" to make the trade.

So, JD, has the board looking exactly like he wants except for the Falcons at 4 (but my feeling is the Falcons have eyes only for Pitts). IF Carolina feels they "need" to guarantee what QB they get, they have to meet JD's price.

 

[Greensleeves]

58 minutes ago, Shockwave said:

https://catcrave.com/2021/03/26/carolina-panthers-disaster-grade-49ers-move-3/

 

 

Simply a Fan Article but we are not talking about the Panthers enough. The trades that happened last week were actually extremely beneficial for the Jets. Why?

1. It gave a comp for a Jets trade to be made. It makes trade talks easier and will give us a better return if a trade happens. 

2. The trade absolutely screwed the Panthers who seem absolutely desperate for a QB. 

 

As of right now the draft looks to start with 

1. Lawrence. 

2. Wilson. 

3. Lance. 

4 Atlanta - Could take Fields. They are scouting QB's hard. But even if not there are not trading with Carolina who is in their division. 

5. Cincy - Sewell falls in their laps. Can't see them trading. 

6. Miami - Pitts/Chase falls in their laps. Can't see them trading. 

7. Detroit - Also could take Fields or could trade down with Denver/NE. 

8. Carolina - The GM didn't even go to Mac Jones Pro Day. This is QB or Bust for them and they're not getting a top 4 QB. 

The Board right now essentially is trading up with the Jets for the Panthers or things could get really ugly in Carolina. I know many people saw Wilson's Pro Day and think this whole conversation is done. That is not the case. The Jets trade down talks are just getting started and with the SF trade our offers should be a-lot better than we anticipated. There should be alot of smoke between the Jets/Panthers the next 2 weeks. 

It should also be noted that this isn't the Niners who will be drafting 20 or later yearly. Carolina could be sending our way top ten picks in 2022 and 2023. If a trade happens the Jets will be absolutely loaded in the next few years. 

Who cares about being loaded with picks if we pass on the elite prospects this year. We are already loaded with picks - at some point it just becomes a game and you lose site of the most important position on the field, which is what gets you to be a great team. Sure, let's grab a millions picks so we can trade them all when we are picking at #15 next year for a prospect that isn't as good as the top 4 this year. Or we can pick a QB without sacrificing our picks and use the haul we already have, especially after Sam is traded.

[jetsrule1969]

27 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

I’ll take #4 and Matt Ryan for # 2.

Let ATL start over. Give us the proven vet who played his best in Shanny O. Throw Sam on the bench, then extend him next year for backup pay.

Don’t have to think WB for another 4-5 years.

 

Thank God Joe is running this team and not you!

[Greensleeves]

3 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said:

That is a good take, but there is a scenario you do not account for.

Perhaps JD was asking more for the #2 than SF and Philly were willing to offer. Now that SF and Philly have done their deals, the options that are available to the Panthers are to trade up to 4 with Atlanta and take the QB that falls to them out of Wilson, Fields or Lance or trade up with the Jets to get the non-lawrence QB of their choosing. The question is do the Panthers have a preference. If they love one of the QB's, they trade with the Jets. If they believe them near equals, they trade with Atlanta.

As for what they can trade, they have plenty of draft capital to beat the Niners offer by a large margin. The Niners gave the 12th pick, a compensatory 3d round pick, and their first round picks for the next two season. The Panthers can offer the 8th pick, 39th pick (2d round) and their first round picks the next two seasons.  That is substantially higher offer. We've seen that JD just doesn't take the best offer, rather he sets a price and gets what he wants in a trade taking advantage of other GM's desperate notions that they "need" to make the trade.

So, JD, has the board looking exactly like he wants except for the Falcons at 4 (but my feeling is the Falcons have eyes only for Pitts). IF Carolina feels they "need" to guarantee what QB they get, they have to meet JD's price.

 

You make it sound like it's a no brainer that the other teams will trade with you. There isn't a chance in hell Atlanta trades with the Panthers so they can watch that QB kick their butts for a decade. All of this is hypothetical. It's just as far fetched IMO that the Jets will not pick Wilson and trade back.

[Mark78]

1 hour ago, Shockwave said:

https://catcrave.com/2021/03/26/carolina-panthers-disaster-grade-49ers-move-3/

 

 

Simply a Fan Article but we are not talking about the Panthers enough. The trades that happened last week were actually extremely beneficial for the Jets. Why?

1. It gave a comp for a Jets trade to be made. It makes trade talks easier and will give us a better return if a trade happens. 

2. The trade absolutely screwed the Panthers who seem absolutely desperate for a QB. 

 

As of right now the draft looks to start with 

1. Lawrence. 

2. Wilson. 

3. Lance. 

4 Atlanta - Could take Fields. They are scouting QB's hard. But even if not there are not trading with Carolina who is in their division. 

5. Cincy - Sewell falls in their laps. Can't see them trading. 

6. Miami - Pitts/Chase falls in their laps. Can't see them trading. 

7. Detroit - Also could take Fields or could trade down with Denver/NE. 

8. Carolina - The GM didn't even go to Mac Jones Pro Day. This is QB or Bust for them and they're not getting a top 4 QB. 

The Board right now essentially is trading up with the Jets for the Panthers or things could get really ugly in Carolina. I know many people saw Wilson's Pro Day and think this whole conversation is done. That is not the case. The Jets trade down talks are just getting started and with the SF trade our offers should be a-lot better than we anticipated. There should be alot of smoke between the Jets/Panthers the next 2 weeks. 

It should also be noted that this isn't the Niners who will be drafting 20 or later yearly. Carolina could be sending our way top ten picks in 2022 and 2023. If a trade happens the Jets will be absolutely loaded in the next few years. 

Wait, don’t we need a QB too?  Wtf

[Integrity28]

4 minutes ago, jetsrule1969 said:

Thank God Joe is running this team and not you!

[TokyoJetsFan]

This is so weird. It’s 2018 all over again with us leaping ahead of Buffalo to the third spot.  We know how that turned out.

Seattle is still open to trading Wilson apparently... maybe he ends up a panther.

[slats]

I think the Jets probably just take Wilson, but it’s not nearly as over as many people here would like to believe. Carolina has to figure out their own QB issue, and their choices are hoping Watson’s not a sexual deviant and becomes available via trade, or trading with the Jets.
 
Joe Douglas is all about value. We’ve seen that already in the way he deals with free agents and makes trades. There’s a value he has on Zach Wilson, and Carolina will have to beat that if they want a specific QB in this draft. If they do, JD pulls the trigger. I do not believe he’s made that pick unavailable as of yet. Not at all. 

[RedBeardedSavage]

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This is one of the worst possible outcomes for the Panthers and makes things incredibly difficult for them. They might pull a rabbit out of the hat. But even if the organization does end up with someone like Sam Darnold, Jones, or another development project as their possible options, it is a far cry from their ambitious plans at the start of the offseason that included Watson or Matthew Stafford.

Quick, Joe Douglas, deal the Darnold. 

We all know you're taking the Mormon. 

Sign the Minshew as either a bridge or backup.

Let the Panthers deal with the consequences of putting all their eggs in the Watson trade basket.

[Jets723]

Ive said from day 1 I’m cool with either trading back or taking a QB.  It’s possible that the Jets simply did not want to move all the way back to 12 and want to remain inside the top 10 if they decide to trade back 

[oatmeal]

1 hour ago, Shockwave said:

https://catcrave.com/2021/03/26/carolina-panthers-disaster-grade-49ers-move-3/

 

 

Simply a Fan Article but we are not talking about the Panthers enough. The trades that happened last week were actually extremely beneficial for the Jets. Why?

1. It gave a comp for a Jets trade to be made. It makes trade talks easier and will give us a better return if a trade happens. 

2. The trade absolutely screwed the Panthers who seem absolutely desperate for a QB. 

 

As of right now the draft looks to start with 

1. Lawrence. 

2. Wilson. 

3. Lance. 

4 Atlanta - Could take Fields. They are scouting QB's hard. But even if not there are not trading with Carolina who is in their division. 

5. Cincy - Sewell falls in their laps. Can't see them trading. 

6. Miami - Pitts/Chase falls in their laps. Can't see them trading. 

7. Detroit - Also could take Fields or could trade down with Denver/NE. 

8. Carolina - The GM didn't even go to Mac Jones Pro Day. This is QB or Bust for them and they're not getting a top 4 QB. 

The Board right now essentially is trading up with the Jets for the Panthers or things could get really ugly in Carolina. I know many people saw Wilson's Pro Day and think this whole conversation is done. That is not the case. The Jets trade down talks are just getting started and with the SF trade our offers should be a-lot better than we anticipated. There should be alot of smoke between the Jets/Panthers the next 2 weeks. 

It should also be noted that this isn't the Niners who will be drafting 20 or later yearly. Carolina could be sending our way top ten picks in 2022 and 2023. If a trade happens the Jets will be absolutely loaded in the next few years. 

mike tannenbaum made a good point: “What the 49ers showed was that the difference between Zach Wilson  and Darnold is 2 1st round picks and a 3rd “

Our coach just came from SF you really think that the NYJ are trading out of #2 overall in a draft where Kyle and John just mortgaged the teams future to move up in, when they could’ve had Sam for wayyyyy cheaper? 
 

Can’t see us trading down at all

[Jets723]

20 minutes ago, slats said:

I think the Jets probably just take Wilson, but it’s not nearly as over as many people here would like to believe. Carolina has to figure out their own QB issue, and their choices are hoping Watson’s not a sexual deviant and becomes available via trade, or trading with the Jets.
 
Joe Douglas is all about value. We’ve seen that already in the way he deals with free agents and makes trades. There’s a value he has on Zach Wilson, and Carolina will have to beat that if they want a specific QB in this draft. If they do, JD pulls the trigger. I do not believe he’s made that pick unavailable as of yet. Not at all. 

Absolutely.  Douglas values maximizing as many draft picks as possible. That’s why I knew the Jets were probably never really that serious about Watson because if the cost and the holes we have.  Personally I feel having a ton of picks over the next 2-3 years will make the Jets a long term contender.  Now I’m only trading 2 IF we get a even better package than what SF traded and JD feels the same way I think 

[Jets723]

3 minutes ago, oatmeal said:

mike tannenbaum made a good point: “What the 49ers showed was that the difference between Zach Wilson  and Darnold is 2 1st round picks and a 3rd “

Our coach just came from SF you really think that the NYJ are trading out of #2 overall in a draft where Kyle and John just mortgaged the teams future to move up in, when they could’ve had Sam for wayyyyy cheaper? 
 

Can’t see us trading down at all

I don’t think it’s a done deal quite yet.  Like I mentioned in a previous post I don’t think Douglas wanted to drop all the way to 12.  Plus we would need an even better package than the SF trade.  It remains to be seen if another team like Carolina would do that 

[derp]

39 minutes ago, Greensleeves said:

Who cares about being loaded with picks if we pass on the elite prospects this year. We are already loaded with picks - at some point it just becomes a game and you lose site of the most important position on the field, which is what gets you to be a great team. Sure, let's grab a millions picks so we can trade them all when we are picking at #15 next year for a prospect that isn't as good as the top 4 this year. Or we can pick a QB without sacrificing our picks and use the haul we already have, especially after Sam is traded.

The quarterbacks who have been better have tended to be drafted later and go to better situations.

Either that’s reason to focus on improving the team before taking a quarterback, or the NFL has repeatedly drafted the worse guys at the top of the draft.

[Skeptable]

1 hour ago, Adoni Beast said:

The Jets trade down is over sir.

The Jets would have happily taken SF’s massive offer if they were looking for a trade down.

The Jets would have traded down to 6 with Philly, who love Zach Wilson if they were looking for a trade down.

The Panthers have a better shot of landing Watson in a trade than the #2 pick.

So then Schefter is lying??? JD was never offered the trade. 

[slats]

1 minute ago, Jets723 said:

Absolutely.  Douglas values maximizing as many draft picks as possible. That’s why I knew the Jets were probably never really that serious about Watson because if the cost and the holes we have.  Personally I feel having a ton of picks over the next 2-3 years will make the Jets a long term contender.  Now I’m only trading 2 IF we get a even better package than what SF traded and JD feels the same way I think 

Yeah, the bidding opens at #8, #39, and 2022 & 2023 first rounders, and I'm not even sure if that's going to be enough. Really depends on how much JD loves Wilson and/or trusts this staff to have Darnold looking at least competent this season. 

[Alka]

43 minutes ago, Jetsbb said:

Joe Douglas has said the only time he wouldn't take a call on a player was for a franchise QB. From all indications Joe is enamored with Zach Wilson and thinks he will be a star. There is no offer Joe is willing to listen to that will make him move the pick. Why did Adam Schefter say the 49ers had trade talks with all the teams in the top 5 except the Jaguars and Jets? The Dolphins could have traded the pick with the Eagles straight up instead of going down and up. The Eagles wanted Zach Wilson but knew the #2 pick is off limits and #3 wouldn't get him. Forget about the trade down the #2 pick is not open for  business based on Joe Douglas own words.

We are in total agreement.  Common sense says that Douglas spoke with both San Francisco and Philly yesterday at Wilson day, and Douglas told them that he is staying put at #2 to pick Wilson.

That is why these trades went down at the day and time that they did.  

Our offensive lineman will come at either #23 or #34.  No way Douglas trades the 23rd pick, unless it is for an extra 1st round pick for next year.  O lineman must happen by #34.

[Jet2020]

Bridgewater isnt that bad. He’s lower a mid tier QB. Build a good team around him and you can have some success. 

[K_O_Brien]

5 minutes ago, Jets723 said:

I don’t think it’s a done deal quite yet.  Like I mentioned in a previous post I don’t think Douglas wanted to drop all the way to 12.  Plus we would need an even better package than the SF trade.  It remains to be seen if another team like Carolina would do that 

He could have traded with Philly at 6 if he didn't want Wilson.