2021 NFL Draft Mega-thread: News, Rumors, and Discussion

[Cbucco19]

33 minutes ago, football guy said:

Didn't give me any names but I think the Jets may trade up for an OL we all believe will be there at #23. A lot will come to light over the next 2 weeks

Teven Jenkins 

[playtowinthegame]

5 minutes ago, Guilhermezmc said:

What made you change your stance so quickly

Trying to jinx it.

[football guy]

21 minutes ago, adobolo2 said:

I'd be delighted with a Jenkins or vera tucker type player at 23 but during the middle of the 1st round a lot of o line prospects are going to go off the board, if joes board says a corner back is rated higher than any line men left might he go that direction and go with a Spencer Brown or walker Little in the second round instead?

I know I'm asking very specific question, just want your opinion not direct insider info?

My opinion is that this draft is deep with offensive line talent and whenever you have a draft deep in at a position, emphasize the weakest position of depth at a premium position if the board stacks up right. With that in mind, I would target a pass rusher in round 1 if the value was close; it's one of the weaker positions of depth in the class while being among the most premium positions.

It sure sounds like they'll be targeting OL though. Teven Jenkins is a guy who is going to go earlier than people think. I love AVT. 

[K_O_Brien]

 

[football guy]

37 minutes ago, K_O_Brien said:

 

Kyle Pitts is somehow going to fall to Carolina isn't he

[Tranquilo]

Just now, football guy said:

Kyle Pitts is somehow going to fall to Carolina isn't he

If he does, is there a possibility the Jets trade up?

[K_O_Brien]

9 minutes ago, football guy said:

Kyle Pitts is somehow going to fall to Carolina isn't he

You can not break up the Darnold and Dan Arnold connection. Panthers don't need a tight end, so....

 

[football guy]

8 minutes ago, Tranquilo said:

If he does, is there a possibility the Jets trade up?

They would want to, but here's my read on it assuming they trade down to a team selecting a QB: 

4. ATL: the market for their pick is going to be interesting because it can be for a QB or anyone else. MIN is a team who would trade up for Sewell but not having a 2nd round pick screws them. We're talking about their 2021 first-, 2021 third-, 2021 fourth-, and 2022 first-round picks at the very least. I think it's more likely MIN speaks to CAR/DEN about #8/#9 if Sewell were to fall or to grab Slater. Maybe they get DET/DEN to swap, but I also think they're trying to signal to NE that they need to go through ATL if they want a QB. NE would likely have to send their 2021 first-, 2021 second-, 2021 fourth-, and a 2022 second-round picks to be in consideration. Ultimately, I think they will sit here and pick. It's too difficult to get a team to move all the way up unless they're willing to take less than what the market dictates they should take. 
5. CIN: they will not trade their pick. They know they're in position to take the best non-QB, and the organization is notoriously conservative when it comes to draft-day trades. 
6. MIA: they're not moving. They moved down only to move up for a reason. They have 3 specific guys in mind. 
7. DET: this would be the team the Jets would call, or someone else may call (NE, MIN, WAS). I think we're seeing the leaks that they would take a QB to drum up interest in their pick. Assuming CIN/MIA passed on Pitts, I think it would cost us at least #23 and #34. Possible. More likely would be the final team moving up for a QB. 
8. CAR: if Pitts were on the board they're taking him. Maybe they consider trading down, but unlikely in this scenario. 

[slats]

2 hours ago, football guy said:

7. DET: this would be the team the Jets would call, or someone else may call (NE, MIN, WAS). I think we're seeing the leaks that they would take a QB to drum up interest in their pick. Assuming CIN/MIA passed on Pitts, I think it would cost us at least #23 and #34. Possible. More likely would be the final team moving up for a QB.

I really do not like these trade up ideas, especially for an OL. If it’s Pitts or one of the WRs, maybe okay?, but I’d prefer they stay where they are or make a minor move up from #23 for an IOL, and then make another selection -or trade down for moar picks- at #34. The draft is deep enough on the OL that they should be able to find starting upgrades into the third round. 
 
Or, if they’re making the big move up, maybe include one of their future picks, instead? If they’d gotten a 2021 second or third for Darnold, maybe I’d sing a different tune, but I don’t think they should be giving away two good picks in a deep draft at their needs for just one player. 

[K_O_Brien]

 

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

On 4/6/2021 at 12:54 PM, football guy said:

They would want to, but here's my read on it assuming they trade down to a team selecting a QB: 

4. ATL: the market for their pick is going to be interesting because it can be for a QB or anyone else. MIN is a team who would trade up for Sewell but not having a 2nd round pick screws them. We're talking about their 2021 first-, 2021 third-, 2021 fourth-, and 2022 first-round picks at the very least. I think it's more likely MIN speaks to CAR/DEN about #8/#9 if Sewell were to fall or to grab Slater. Maybe they get DET/DEN to swap, but I also think they're trying to signal to NE that they need to go through ATL if they want a QB. NE would likely have to send their 2021 first-, 2021 second-, 2021 fourth-, and a 2022 second-round picks to be in consideration. Ultimately, I think they will sit here and pick. It's too difficult to get a team to move all the way up unless they're willing to take less than what the market dictates they should take. 
5. CIN: they will not trade their pick. They know they're in position to take the best non-QB, and the organization is notoriously conservative when it comes to draft-day trades. 
6. MIA: they're not moving. They moved down only to move up for a reason. They have 3 specific guys in mind. 
7. DET: this would be the team the Jets would call, or someone else may call (NE, MIN, WAS). I think we're seeing the leaks that they would take a QB to drum up interest in their pick. Assuming CIN/MIA passed on Pitts, I think it would cost us at least #23 and #34. Possible. More likely would be the final team moving up for a QB. 
8. CAR: if Pitts were on the board they're taking him. Maybe they consider trading down, but unlikely in this scenario. 

Love Pitts but there's no way we can give up 23 and 34 and probably a little more for him. We could get 2 very good starters with those picks, maybe an extra one if they moved down a little. 

[Savage69]

On 4/6/2021 at 12:28 PM, football guy said:

Kyle Pitts is somehow going to fall to Carolina isn't he

Some drafts have Devonta Smith going to the Giants at pick 11..

 

 

[football guy]

 

[section314]

12 minutes ago, football guy said:

 

Jets did their due diligence, thank goodness.

[pdxgreen]

23 minutes ago, football guy said:

 

I wonder just how much Saleh fought for Sam... (if that was indeed the case.)  I can't help but think that maybe Douglas was waiting on what his scouts said and Wilson's medicals before finally making the move.  Supposedly the Falcons are debating back and forth between Fontenot and Smith about whether to move on from Matt Ryan or draft whomever falls to 4. 

If Saleh put up his hand to defend Sam's place on the team under his staff... it cant have been for long.

[Lith]

On 4/6/2021 at 11:28 AM, football guy said:

Kyle Pitts is somehow going to fall to Carolina isn't he

I hope so.  Because I really don't want to see him go to Miami at 6.

[Big_Slick]

On 4/6/2021 at 12:28 PM, Tranquilo said:

If he does, is there a possibility the Jets trade up?

Jets have so many holes to fill I'd hate giving up any pick higher than a 4th. I expect JD to find two good to very good starters at #23 and #34 and to hit on one of the 3rd rounders. All picks should be at premium positions.

[Big_Slick]

33 minutes ago, football guy said:

 

Makes me wonder if JD waited too long and that we could have gotten a better return with SF or WFT.

[Peace Frog]

On 4/6/2021 at 12:28 PM, football guy said:

Kyle Pitts is somehow going to fall to Carolina isn't he

Good for Sam. 

[Beerfish]

13 minutes ago, Lith said:

I hope so.  Because I really don't want to see him go to Miami at 6.

[varjet]

5 minutes ago, Big_Slick said:

Makes me wonder if JD waited too long and that we could have gotten a better return with SF or WFT.

Although everyone in Florham Park appears to be getting along, I think the word was leaked that trading Sam and likely drafting Wilson was JD's doing.   He wanted to wait until the Pro Day before deciding.  I think there was more of a debate internally than we might otherwise have thought.  

[Big_Slick]

23 minutes ago, pdxgreen said:

I wonder just how much Saleh fought for Sam... (if that was indeed the case.)  I can't help but think that maybe Douglas was waiting on what his scouts said and Wilson's medicals before finally making the move.  Supposedly the Falcons are debating back and forth between Fontenot and Smith about whether to move on from Matt Ryan or draft whomever falls to 4. 

If Saleh put up his hand to defend Sam's place on the team under his staff... it cant have been for long.

I thought the med's were scheduled for April 9th.

[Obrien2Toon]

Seems like the value at #23 is going to be a corner

which is a huge no-no for me

would love a move up 

for smith seems reasonable, for Pitts will be too much 

[jetstream23]

On 4/5/2021 at 4:40 PM, Cbucco19 said:

Teven Jenkins 

Wow. I love that guy but do you really think we need to trade up from 23 for him? I was hoping we’d get lucky and find him at 34.

There’s a group of at least four or five tackles outside of Sewell and Slater who seem like they could be good fits. Scouting reports show these guys as fits for zone blocking (which is what we expect in the LaFleur system) and with left/right flexibility. That is perfect for the Jets!

The harder question is where to take them. Jenkins, Cosmi, Radunz, Mayfield, Eichenberg, etc.

What do you think about those guys and where you would take them? 23, 34, 66, trade up/back from those spots?

[Sammybighead]

On 4/5/2021 at 7:54 PM, football guy said:

My opinion is that this draft is deep with offensive line talent and whenever you have a draft deep in at a position, emphasize the weakest position of depth at a premium position if the board stacks up right. With that in mind, I would target a pass rusher in round 1 if the value was close; it's one of the weaker positions of depth in the class while being among the most premium positions.

It sure sounds like they'll be targeting OL though. Teven Jenkins is a guy who is going to go earlier than people think. I love AVT. 

I hear ya but I can't get behind any move other than taking best available oline at 23. If that's jenkins or avt, great. If darrisaw somehow falls, even better. If it means davis, humphrey, radunz or whoever else, do it. Guys, we cannot afford to watch another rookie qb get killed. We CANNOT. We just flushed 3 years down the drain. I don't care if we need to give up 50ppg in the process, all that matters is protecting wilson. 

[pdxgreen]

1 hour ago, Big_Slick said:

I thought the med's were scheduled for April 9th.

Maybe he got some advanced stuff ahead of the actual ones.  I wouldn't have traded Sam unless I saw Wilson's medical history.  Or maybe he's that reassured?

[TokyoJetsFan]

7 hours ago, Big_Slick said:

Makes me wonder if JD waited too long and that we could have gotten a better return with SF or WFT.

Draft position of Carolinas future picks will likely be better than either San Fran or Washington though.  Have to figure that in the equation. 

[slats]

9 hours ago, pdxgreen said:

I wonder just how much Saleh fought for Sam... (if that was indeed the case.)  I can't help but think that maybe Douglas was waiting on what his scouts said and Wilson's medicals before finally making the move.  Supposedly the Falcons are debating back and forth between Fontenot and Smith about whether to move on from Matt Ryan or draft whomever falls to 4. 

If Saleh put up his hand to defend Sam's place on the team under his staff... it cant have been for long.

I think the whole front office was on board with the idea of rolling with Darnold and trading the #2 for a king's bounty, and then when no one came with acceptable offers they collectively switched gears. I really doubt there was much fight. It seems to me that a lot of what they were going to want to do at QB was probably hashed out in Saleh's interviews to become the head coach. 

As for the Falcons, they're probably doing something similar by putting the pick up for sale. If they get the right offer they'll move out. If not, if the right QB falls, they'll take him. And if that doesn't happen, they land an offensive beast at TE, WR, or OT. 

[Big_Slick]

10 hours ago, pdxgreen said:

Maybe he got some advanced stuff ahead of the actual ones.  I wouldn't have traded Sam unless I saw Wilson's medical history.  Or maybe he's that reassured?

It's possible the Jets med staff had access to the MRI's and after surgery reports and felt OK with that. Hopefully Wilson checks out OK without any red flags on the 9th.

[Big_Slick]

4 hours ago, TokyoJetsFan said:

Draft position of Carolinas future picks will likely be better than either San Fran or Washington though.  Have to figure that in the equation. 

I was expecting a 2nd round pick THIS year which I think is better than the 2nd and 4th next year. The 6th round pick in 2021 is pretty much useless - in my opinion (and Brady can go eff himself).

[K_O_Brien]

 

[RedBeardedSavage]

Just now, K_O_Brien said:

 

I mean, would he say anything differently?

Let's hear from someone else...

[football guy]

The Jets-specific scenarios I’m paying close attention to in round 1

• Trade up for OT Rashawn Slater if he falls outside the top 10 (PHI at #12) 
• Trade up for WR Jaylen Waddle if he falls outside the top 15 (ARI/LV at #16/17) 
• Trade up a few spots or stay at 23 to select an OL (Teven Jenkins/Alijah Vera-Tucker) or a pass rusher (Jayson Oweh/Jaelan Phillips/Kwity Paye/Azeez Ojulari) (*could potentially swap with CHI/IND at #20/#21 depending how the board shakes out*) 
• Trade down from 23, select a WR (Kadarius Toney/Terrace Marshall) or CB (Greg Newsome II) 

Could be wrong but don’t think they’ll go CB in round 1; the board would have had to fall a way they didn’t anticipate for that to happen... Another popular one—RB—seems lazy... motivation to get to #8 in trade talks was to put themselves in a position to select TE Kyle Pitts, but I think the other guy they would have taken would have been OL Rashawn Slater or WR Jaylen Waddle; I don’t know if they’re willing to pay draft capital to move up—feels different sending a player vs. a pick—but shouldn’t rule it out with Eagles in total rebuild mode may bite, especially with their eyes on Greg Newsome II... don’t know which pass rusher they like but they’re high on one... don’t see a C or pure interior guy in round 1... to me staying at #23/move up a few spots for Jenkins or AVT seem like the most likely scenarios

[football guy]

1 minute ago, RedBeardedSavage said:

I mean, would he say anything differently?

Let's hear from someone else...

Panthers are still interested. I wouldn’t bank on it but may be a scenario where they move down and take him mid-teens

[Augustiniak]

6 minutes ago, football guy said:

The Jets-specific scenarios I’m paying close attention to in round 1

• Trade up for OT Rashawn Slater if he falls outside the top 10 (PHI at #12) 
• Trade up for WR Jaylen Waddle if he falls outside the top 15 (ARI/LV at #16/17) 
• Trade up a few spots or stay at 23 to select an OL (Teven Jenkins/Alijah Vera-Tucker) or a pass rusher (Jayson Oweh/Jaelan Phillips/Kwity Paye/Azeez Ojulari) (*could potentially swap with CHI/IND at #20/#21 depending how the board shakes out*) 
• Trade down from 23, select a WR (Kadarius Toney/Terrace Marshall) or CB (Greg Newsome II) 

Could be wrong but don’t think they’ll go CB in round 1; the board would have had to fall a way they didn’t anticipate for that to happen... Another popular one—RB—seems lazy... motivation to get to #8 in trade talks was to put themselves in a position to select TE Kyle Pitts, but I think the other guy they would have taken would have been OL Rashawn Slater or WR Jaylen Waddle; I don’t know if they’re willing to pay draft capital to move up—feels different sending a player vs. a pick—but shouldn’t rule it out with Eagles in total rebuild mode may bite, especially with their eyes on Greg Newsome II... don’t know which pass rusher they like but they’re high on one... don’t see a C or pure interior guy in round 1... to me staying at #23/move up a few spots for Jenkins or AVT seem like the most likely scenarios

So no creed then?