2021 NFL Draft Mega-thread: News, Rumors, and Discussion

[section314]

3 minutes ago, football guy said:

On Teven Jenkins: teams have questioned the mid-season opt-out (he attributed it to playing through a hip-injury) and skipping the Senior Bowl. His detailed reasoning for both would be interesting to know, especially the Senior Bowl (the hip injury couldn't have been that severe if he was playing through it), but I would think teams who like him are not putting too much into this considering he arrived at the pro-day in the best shape of his life and gives 110% effort on tape. 

Ultimately, I think Albert Breer is just trying to do his friend Joe Douglas a favor with this blurb lol

I think the Terrance Marshall Jr stuff could be troubling. What are you hearing?

[Shockwave]

10 hours ago, Shockwave said:

I think Arizona is the Sweet Spot. They only have like  a 1,2,5 and 7 this year. Their needs (CB/WR) can prob get addressed at our spot. 

We would be jumping 

Vegas - Traded away all their lineman. Needs RT. 

Miami - Needs Lineman (Prob C though)

Washington - Needs LT. Big Need. 

Chicago - Has no starting tackles signed for next year. 

Indi - Needs LT. 

Tenn - Needs Line. Prob take D though as you mentioned.

 

Defense kind of just sucks at top this year minus a few guys. On top of D sucking they have a few injured guys that could slip( Phillips/Farley) and Tweeners (Collins, Owusu-Koamuruh) that also could slip to after our spot. 

It's getting harder to see any of the top lineman falling to us. I see this as a year Douglas gets aggressive and moves up (Like the Dillard move) or we might as well move down. After the top Oline and top few CB the guys available at 23 seems really similar to guys in the 30's. 

If Mac was still here he would just stay put even if these tackles were gone and take BPA. Pretty Happy knowing Douglas will move around as needed. I'd be pretty surprised if we stayed at 23 at this point. 

https://www.nfl.com/news/raiders-gm-mike-mayock-excited-and-energized-by-offensive-line-changes

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Miller, Incognito, 30-year-old guard Denzelle Good and James appear set to start, with the right tackle being the big question mark. Mayock mentioned former practice squad player Jaryd Jones-Smith as an option to start at RT.

 

Raiders lined up to have a Practice Squad player start at RT this season. This is an obvious Landing spot for Jenkins. 

 

 

 

 

[slats]

11 hours ago, Shockwave said:

I think Arizona is the Sweet Spot. They only have like  a 1,2,5 and 7 this year. Their needs (CB/WR) can prob get addressed at our spot. 

We would be jumping 

Vegas - Traded away all their lineman. Needs RT. 

Miami - Needs Lineman (Prob C though)

Washington - Needs LT. Big Need. 

Chicago - Has no starting tackles signed for next year. 

Indi - Needs LT. 

Tenn - Needs Line. Prob take D though as you mentioned.

 

Defense kind of just sucks at top this year minus a few guys. On top of D sucking they have a few injured guys that could slip( Phillips/Farley) and Tweeners (Collins, Owusu-Koamuruh) that also could slip to after our spot. 

It's getting harder to see any of the top lineman falling to us. I see this as a year Douglas gets aggressive and moves up (Like the Dillard move) or we might as well move down. After the top Oline and top few CB the guys available at 23 seems really similar to guys in the 30's. 

If Mac was still here he would just stay put even if these tackles were gone and take BPA. Pretty Happy knowing Douglas will move around as needed. I'd be pretty surprised if we stayed at 23 at this point. 

The smart move there would probably to be letting the draft come to him and taking the BAP at #23. If it's not OL, it would be an Edge, CB, or maybe a WR. Team can use all of them. He still has #34 to take the best OL available, and two third rounders where starting guards are found regularly. 

Mac might've stayed put and drafted a safety or DT, and Tanny would be putting together a package with three or more picks to move into the top 12. Neither is the right way to go. 

There's no reason to panic about the OL. 

[Beerfish]

6 minutes ago, slats said:

The smart move there would probably to be letting the draft come to him and taking the BAP at #23. If it's not OL, it would be an Edge, CB, or maybe a WR. Team can use all of them. He still has #34 to take the best OL available, and two third rounders where starting guards are found regularly. 

Mac might've stayed put and drafted a safety or DT, and Tanny would be putting together a package with three or more picks to move into the top 12. Neither is the right way to go. 

There's no reason to panic about the OL. 

Yes there is.  We had a lousy oline last year, we have done nothing to improve it so far.  We are yet again drafting a new young peach fuzzed cheek QB.

We have signed a high priced edge rusher in Fa and another pass rushing DT in FA and yet another part time edge guy in Curry.  We already had a decent Dline.

Edge rusher is a flat out luxury pick.

As I said in another thread please list all of the good oline guys we have drafted from rounds 3 and lower over the last 15 years.

This kind of thinking gets you a broken Andrew luck a broke joe burrow and a shot sam darnold after 3 years.

We have almost ignored oline for a decade, we have catching up to do and a really good oline is more important than just about any other single unit on a football team.

If the value is not there for you at 23 to take an olineman then trade the f'ck back and take two oline guys with the assets you get by trading back.

[slats]

7 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Yes there is.  We had a lousy oline last year, we have done nothing to improve it so far.  We are yet again drafting a new young peach fuzzed cheek QB.

We have signed a high priced edge rusher in Fa and another pass rushing DT in FA and yet another part time edge guy in Curry.  We already had a decent Dline.

Edge rusher is a flat out luxury pick.

As I said in another thread please list all of the good oline guys we have drafted from rounds 3 and lower over the last 15 years.

This kind of thinking gets you a broken Andrew luck a broke joe burrow and a shot sam darnold after 3 years.

We have almost ignored oline for a decade, we have catching up to do and a really good oline is more important than just about any other single unit on a football team.

If the value is not there for you at 23 to take an olineman then trade the f'ck back and take two oline guys with the assets you get by trading back.

I really don't care what's happened for the previous 15 years. Those guys aren't here. Maybe Cam Clark is one of those OL taken late that will shine. Across the league, teams put together OL with a mix of high picks, low picks, expensive free agents, and UDFAs. It's all about how they perform as a unit. The Jets' current holes are at guard, which is the easiest position on the OL to fill. 

The OL got better as the year went on last season, and the zone blocking scheme that the Jets will be installing favors their starting tackles and center. 

I both want and expect an OL taken by the time they select in the second round. That would be the ideal. But there is no reason to panic, and certainly no reason to pass on a premium player at a premium position such as Edge, CB, or WR because of that panic. 

[football guy]

8 minutes ago, section314 said:

Brown wants out of Baltimore because he wants to play left tackle. We don't need a LT.

I would think there will be a lot of interest after Day 1 once teams see how the board plays out. He would most certainly net the Ravens a Day 2 pick and a future pick. By no means do I see Baltimore trading with a division rival, but teams I can see being fits: 

• CAR: aggressive GM who needs a LT but may opt for another position at #8. 
• LAC: need a LT and were interested in 2018; fits Telesco's profile and could honestly double-dip (OL/G at #13 and Brown at LT). 
• MIN: they've been heavily involved in the OT market; if they miss one I'd think they would get on the phone immediately. 
• WAS: strong line outside of the LT; may not have one fall to them at #20/prioritizing defense. 
• IND: opportunity buyers and need a LT, may not have one fall to them at #21. 
• KC: desperately need a LT and may not have one fall to them at #31.

[Augustiniak]

13 minutes ago, slats said:

I really don't care what's happened for the previous 15 years. Those guys aren't here. Maybe Cam Clark is one of those OL taken late that will shine. Across the league, teams put together OL with a mix of high picks, low picks, expensive free agents, and UDFAs. It's all about how they perform as a unit. The Jets' current holes are at guard, which is the easiest position on the OL to fill. 

The OL got better as the year went on last season, and the zone blocking scheme that the Jets will be installing favors their starting tackles and center. 

I both want and expect an OL taken by the time they select in the second round. That would be the ideal. But there is no reason to panic, and certainly no reason to pass on a premium player at a premium position such as Edge, CB, or WR because of that panic. 

The thing is, if you’re not trading up from 23 to get an OL, and there’s no OL you’d take at 23 when you’re on the clock, you may as well trade back from 23 b/c you can probably get a comparable defensive player a few slots back anyway, if that’s the plan.  I can see them trading back from 23, going edge or cb, then going OL at 34 or even trading back into round 1 if they want someone like Humphrey.  But going defense at 23 seems the worst option, assuming they have the ability to trade back. 

[BigRy56]

1 hour ago, section314 said:

Brown wants out of Baltimore because he wants to play left tackle. We don't need a LT.

He just wants to be paid like one right? If that’s the case just make the trade and show him the money that the Ravens won’t. It worked out for Cleveland last year 

[slats]

6 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

The thing is, if you’re not trading up from 23 to get an OL, and there’s no OL you’d take at 23 when you’re on the clock, you may as well trade back from 23 b/c you can probably get a comparable defensive player a few slots back anyway, if that’s the plan.  I can see them trading back from 23, going edge or cb, then going OL at 34 or even trading back into round 1 if they want someone like Humphrey.  But going defense at 23 seems the worst option, assuming they have the ability to trade back. 

Unless when you're on the clock you don't think that. Maybe you think that the defender inexplicably staring you in the face at #23 is not going to make it past #24, because he's that good. 

I'm all for trading back, though. 

[football guy]

1 hour ago, section314 said:

I think the Terrance Marshall Jr stuff could be troubling. What are you hearing?

I honestly haven't been very tapped in this past week- was away on business and just busier than have been in a long time (a blessing, not a complaint lol). I read about the medical stuff but without knowing what exactly it's hard to say. Could result in him falling to the end of Round 2, maybe even round 3, depending what it is

[Augustiniak]

1 minute ago, slats said:

Unless when you're on the clock you don't think that. Maybe you think that the defender inexplicably staring you in the face at #23 is not going to make it past #24, because he's that good. 

I'm all for trading back, though. 

I’m assuming that if offense is overemphasized in the top 20 picks then there would be enough defensive players left that 1) teams wouldn’t mind moving up to get one and 2) the jets would be happy taking one a few spots later.  If they do trade back from 23 I wouldn’t be surprised if they traded back into round 2 from their early 3rd round pick. 

[peebag]

53 minutes ago, slats said:

The smart move there would probably to be letting the draft come to him and taking the BAP at #23. If it's not OL, it would be an Edge, CB, or maybe a WR. Team can use all of them. He still has #34 to take the best OL available, and two third rounders where starting guards are found regularly. 

Mac might've stayed put and drafted a safety or DT, and Tanny would be putting together a package with three or more picks to move into the top 12. Neither is the right way to go. 

There's no reason to panic about the OL. 

Rookie QB and a sieve for the OL?  Yea, I'm gonna start panicking now thank you.

[IntoTheGreen]

33 minutes ago, slats said:

I really don't care what's happened for the previous 15 years. Those guys aren't here. Maybe Cam Clark is one of those OL taken late that will shine. Across the league, teams put together OL with a mix of high picks, low picks, expensive free agents, and UDFAs. It's all about how they perform as a unit. The Jets' current holes are at guard, which is the easiest position on the OL to fill. 

The OL got better as the year went on last season, and the zone blocking scheme that the Jets will be installing favors their starting tackles and center. 

I both want and expect an OL taken by the time they select in the second round. That would be the ideal. But there is no reason to panic, and certainly no reason to pass on a premium player at a premium position such as Edge, CB, or WR because of that panic. 

Not panicking is one thing and not addressing it is another. There will be decent prospects in round 2-4 and it does seem like you prefer one in round one. However I disagree that the last decade of ignorance means nothing. It means that we dont have an established pipeline yet. Clark might be ready, but he might not be. Getting one starter this draft is important and getting at least one more to develop to continue building the pipeline is also important. We want guys who will step in as Fant etc. leave for FA. Other teams can get away with starting players from the 3rd round to UDFA because they've been developing talent over time. We just dont have that to rely on yet and we will be setting ourselves up for failure if they try to get away with that this year. 

[football guy]

1 hour ago, Shockwave said:

https://www.nfl.com/news/raiders-gm-mike-mayock-excited-and-energized-by-offensive-line-changes

 

Raiders lined up to have a Practice Squad player start at RT this season. This is an obvious Landing spot for Jenkins. 

 

 

 

 

I agree they are a team worth watching. Gruden likes investing into the OL and could easily see him scooping up an OL, but he's also has a lot of old-school evaluation methods and is a stickler for traits such as arm length. Jenkins is right on the cusp of the 34" mark (he's 33.5"), has the athleticism they require, and has the kind of playing demeanor they look for so I'd think he'd be in consideration. That said, the sentiment has been that they want an impact defender at that spot, unless someone falls out of the top 10 they aren't anticipating. Impact linebacker or pass rusher, if not, OL or trade down and reset the board (maybe S). 

[football guy]

25 minutes ago, BigRy56 said:

He just wants to be paid like one right? If that’s the case just make the trade and show him the money that the Ravens won’t. It worked out for Cleveland last year 

No- he wants to play LT specifically. I'm sure money has something to do with it too but has been vocal that it's not only about the money, rather, fulfilling his father's legacy

[slats]

9 minutes ago, IntoTheGreen said:

Not panicking is one thing and not addressing it is another. There will be decent prospects in round 2-4 and it does seem like you prefer one in round one. However I disagree that the last decade of ignorance means nothing. It means that we dont have an established pipeline yet. Clark might be ready, but he might not be. Getting one starter this draft is important and getting at least one more to develop to continue building the pipeline is also important. We want guys who will step in as Fant etc. leave for FA. Other teams can get away with starting players from the 3rd round to UDFA because they've been developing talent over time. We just dont have that to rely on yet and we will be setting ourselves up for failure if they try to get away with that this year. 

I've posted roughly a million times that I want an OL by the time they pick in the second round. I can't put that in every post. That still doesn't mean that I want him to force a pick that isn't there for the sake of taking an OL that high. If he has an Edge/CB rated the same as a G/C, the value play is for the defender there. Now, if he already took a defender at #23, I could agree with taking the OG at #34. 

[football guy]

Panthers have 16 players with 1st-round grades according to their GM. A little less than usual, but not sure if that is a shared view or just their own

[BigRy56]

33 minutes ago, football guy said:

No- he wants to play LT specifically. I'm sure money has something to do with it too but has been vocal that it's not only about the money, rather, fulfilling his father's legacy

It’s a shame that his stubbornness will cause him to miss out on winning Superbowls with Zach Wilson

[football guy]

2 minutes ago, BigRy56 said:

It’s a shame that his stubbornness will cause him to miss out on winning Superbowls with Zach Wilson

man I sure hope so 

[K_O_Brien]

 

[KRL]

32 minutes ago, slats said:

I've posted roughly a million times that I want an OL by the time they pick in the second round. I can't put that in every post. That still doesn't mean that I want him to force a pick that isn't there for the sake of taking an OL that high. If he has an Edge/CB rated the same as a G/C, the value play is for the defender there. Now, if he already took a defender at #23, I could agree with taking the OG at #34. 

So true.  Unlike last year where we had to take a LT in the first round that's not
the case this year.  We need to upgrade the OLine but finding a G/C is easier than
a LT.  Reaching for one over a pass rusher/CB would be a mistake

[Dcat]

21 hours ago, jetstream23 said:

I might as well.

Was really hoping to land either AVT or Jenkins at #23, but that seems like a 40% chance at best right now.  It just feels like at 23 and 34 the Jets are in a spot where those picks are too late for the Top 5 OLinemen but also a bit too early for the next group (maybe Humphrey at 34).  But I see the other RT candidates (and guys who seem like potential moves to OG) like Radunz, Eichenberg, Little, etc. as reaches at #34.  I'd want to trade down into the 40's for them.

It's starting to smell like JD might do something that will enrage a lot of folks here and, if those top OL are gone, he goes Defense at #23 with an Edge rusher or even an OLB.

I think one of them will be there.  

[derp]

32 minutes ago, K_O_Brien said:

 

Lawrence to Jax, Wilson to the Jets, Jones to the 49ers, Lance to the Falcons, Chase to the Bengals, Fields to the Broncos in a trade up, Sewell to the Lions, Pitts to the Jets in a trade up.

I’ll be daydreaming about Pitts sliding and the Jets trading up for him until Atlanta breaks my heart at #4.

[Lith]

3 minutes ago, derp said:

I’ll be daydreaming about Pitts sliding and the Jets trading up for him until Atlanta breaks my heart at #4.

Look on the birght side.  At least if Atlanta takes him at 4, it eliminates the possiblity of him going to Miami at 6.  I really don't want to be facing him 2x per year for the next decade.

[football guy]

[32EBoozer]

5 minutes ago, football guy said:

Nothing worse that attending the draft live, you’re expected to be a top 15 pick and you are sliding all the way into round two. The glare of the cameras as they are fixed on you is unbearable I would think. I remember Gino, Brady Quinn and even Aaron Rodgers feeling the embarrassment. A couple of names on that list might have that experience next Thursday.

Matt Jones must feel pretty confident at number three but I don’t see Field’s name on that list. Maybe he knows something.

[SupaPico]

9 minutes ago, football guy said:

Whats that?

[football guy]

21 minutes ago, K_O_Brien said:

 

I'm just guessing, but tracking all of the reports and talk, PHI, MIN, LAC, NE, ARI, CHI, NYJ are teams that I figure called to discuss the option. Again, I think the Jets desire to get in the top 10 to beat the prospect drop-off was largely motivated by wanting to pair Darnold with pick #23, but not sure they would pair #23 with #34. 

One thing you have to think about: would Douglas part with #23, #66, and a future 2 to move up into the top 12? Personally doubt it and not sure it would be enough, but having all that future draft capital gives the Jets flexibility if they wanted to go for it

[football guy]

3 minutes ago, SupaPico said:

Whats that?

Only 13 players attending the draft this year

[Icer]

Rousseau and Farley definitely have some slide potential so that could make for an awkward watch

[UntouchableCrew]

32 minutes ago, derp said:

Lawrence to Jax, Wilson to the Jets, Jones to the 49ers, Lance to the Falcons, Chase to the Bengals, Fields to the Broncos in a trade up, Sewell to the Lions, Pitts to the Jets in a trade up.

I’ll be daydreaming about Pitts sliding and the Jets trading up for him until Atlanta breaks my heart at #4.

If Pitts falls like that I think the Cowboys aggressively go after him. Sounds like Jerruh is obsessed.

[Lith]

13 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said:

Nothing worse that attending the draft live, you’re expected to be a top 15 pick and you are sliding all the way into round two. The glare of the cameras as they are fixed on you is unbearable I would think. I remember Gino, Brady Quinn and even Aaron Rodgers feeling the embarrassment. A couple of names on that list might have that experience next Thursday.

Matt Jones must feel pretty confident at number three but I don’t see Field’s name on that list. Maybe he knows something.

Agreed.  I cringe for some of these kids.  On what should be one of the greatest, most memorable nights of their lives, one or two of these kids will slide to Round 2, with the camera constantly panning to those last couple of guys with misery and confusion etched on their faces.  Makes for great drama on TV, but I feel for those guys.

[K_O_Brien]

4 minutes ago, football guy said:

I'm just guessing, but tracking all of the reports and talk, PHI, MIN, LAC, NE, ARI, CHI, NYJ are teams that I figure called to discuss the option. Again, I think the Jets desire to get in the top 10 to beat the prospect drop-off was largely motivated by wanting to pair Darnold with pick #23, but not sure they would pair #23 with #34. 

One thing you have to think about: would Douglas part with #23, #66, and a future 2 to move up into the top 12? Personally doubt it and not sure it would be enough, but having all that future draft capital gives the Jets flexibility if they wanted to go for it

I'd keep 34 where possible. We could give them their Darnold picks back and #86 for #8 (if Pitts was there). That would do it. Trouble is they only have a first round grade for 16 players, so why would they drop to 23? 

On 12, maybe if Slater was there, I'd pull the trigger.

Pitts (8), Slater (12), Vera-Tucker (17), Jenkins (20) are the only players I'd move up for. 

[Bronxville Jets Fan]

From Jason Laconfora:

        
I keep hearing all things being relatively equal, the Jets will be going pass-rush potential with the 24th pick, which shouldn't come as a surprise. It's been a need seemingly for a decade and though this draft has few sure things when it comes to that, New York seems ready to bite. If Azeez Ojulari is still on the board, I'd mock him here.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-insider-notes-executive-gives-take-on-how-top-10-will-unfold-and-is-convinced-this-qb-is-headed-to-49ers/

[football guy]

RE: Mac Jones. One of the worst kept secrets in the NFL is that Mike Shanahan is a de facto VP of football Ops in SF. He’s not an official employee for the team, but he’s always at the facility and serves as an advisor to Kyle, the coaching staff, and in part the FO. 

The leaks of Mac being the target essentially tie back to Mike. He spent all season studying these guys and came away loving Mac and 1 bonafide top QB prospect. Will be interesting to see if that’s actually how things unfold on draft day