2021 NFL Draft Mega-thread: News, Rumors, and Discussion

[jetstream23]

27 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said:

In the only inside piece of information I'll ever have about the Jets, I found out today the Jets visited with Iowa WR Imhir Smith-Marsette.

Good stuff!  I really think the Jets are sniffing around the Day 3 WRs.  Just seems like a lot of talent in that 110-150 range in terms of slot WRs, developmental guys, etc.

[HawkeyeJet]

3 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

Good stuff!  I really think the Jets are sniffing around the Day 3 WRs.  Just seems like a lot of talent in that 110-150 range in terms of slot WRs, developmental guys, etc.

I think the NFL comp for ISM is Robby Anderson.  I've thought that for 3 years now. 

I have said it in a few other threads, and I know I'm biased, but Smith-Marsette is going to be a good pro.  He's a better player than his Iowa resume shows.  Iowa criminally misused him and this year had abysmal QB play on top of that.  He has had some some concentration issues and some would say(I wouldn't though) maturity issues, but he can play and is fast, fast, fast.

Predicting late round picks is a needle in a haystack, but I'd be thrilled with him.  Will be a starting KR immediately for someone and I feel has a real chance to be a solid NFL WR.

 

[derp]

47 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

Wasn’t Santana Moss a similar size to Devonta Smith?

 

Moss was about 2 inches shorter and 18 pounds heavier.

Only first round pick I can think of in the Smith range weight wise is Marquise Brown. Next lightest would be Tavon Austin and he was like four inches shorter and eight pounds heavier. And both those guys can fly.

[UntouchableCrew]

2 hours ago, Greenseed4 said:

If he’s still there in the 3rd, it would be cool to plug him in at LG and give Zach a familiar face in the huddle. 
 

*After drafting our RG (future RT), Teven Jenkins, in the 1st. 

I don't like that he turns 25 this year. Works against him.

[Cbucco19]

@football guy one guy I’m intrigued by for RB is Jake Funk . Have u heard anything on him ? I know he isn’t a household name 

[Untouchable]

1 hour ago, jetstream23 said:

Wasn’t Santana Moss a similar size to Devonta Smith?

 

Not really 

Moss was 5’10 and around 185

Smith is literal linguine

With that said, if he falls into that 15-20 area, I’d still be in favor of making a move for him.

[Joejet]

14 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said:

I don't like that he turns 25 this year. Works against him.

According to what I just read he turned 23 in March.

[Paradis]

7 hours ago, adobolo2 said:

Who would be your choice playmaker in the between the bottom of the 1st and to of the 3rd?

Rondale Moore easily. I still want to say Terrace Marshall above all -- but hearing from my LSU guy that his leg injury was a little iffy and seeing his medical flag show up on the wire.... if i have to make a decision in the best interest of the team, I think i'm going with Moore.

Also Kenny Gainwell. I wouldn't be shocked to see him as a surprise pick between #30-40 if a team absolutely fell in love and didn't trust waiting for him to be there between #60-80... he is one of those true "homerun" lighting in a bottle types. 

[SupaPico]

Devonta Smith is similar size  to Marvin Harrison and Isaac Bruce 

[Paradis]

2 minutes ago, SupaPico said:

Devonta Smith is similar size  to Marvin Harrison and Isaac Bruce 

i thought I was the only person to drop the Bruce comp

[Peace Frog]

13 minutes ago, SupaPico said:

Devonta Smith is similar size  to Marvin Harrison and Isaac Bruce 

Marvin Harrison had a killer instinct. 

[mrcoops]

10 hours ago, Joejet said:

According to what I just read he turned 23 in March.

Jenkins is 23, it's Christensen that turns 25 in September.

Common amongst BYU players, especially linemen. They go off on those 2 year missions and mature for two years, then they are blocking guys much younger and less physically developed than them. It's one of the reasons why BYU usually has good line play. Rival teams see it as a big advantage for BYU.

Conversely, their skill position players who rely on speed are often mysteriously far less likely to go on missions. Their QBs never seem to go on one.

[Morrissey]

Brady Christensen got blown off the ball vs Coastal Carolina.

[Shockwave]

On 4/22/2021 at 11:13 PM, Shockwave said:

I think Arizona is the Sweet Spot. They only have like  a 1,2,5 and 7 this year. Their needs (CB/WR) can prob get addressed at our spot. 

We would be jumping 

Vegas - Traded away all their lineman. Needs RT. 

Miami - Needs Lineman (Prob C though)

Washington - Needs LT. Big Need. 

Chicago - Has no starting tackles signed for next year. 

Indi - Needs LT. 

Tenn - Needs Line. Prob take D though as you mentioned.

 

Don't feel like typing the above out again - but The Raiders draft 17. Philly drafts 12. Which is relevant because: 

 

 

 

Another team came out recently stating that they only had X amount of players ranked as First Round grades in the Teens as well. I think this further cements the idea that the Jets are highly likely to trade their pick up or down. I don't see AVT or Jenkins being there at 23. You'll be picking a player at 23 thats graded extremely close to the guys at 34. 

Either you move up for a First Round graded player or you move down. Whats nice about the Jets locking in on that 2nd pick so early is I think the FO will be very ready and aggressive with picks 23/34. They are in a good position to trade 34 as well as those top picks in round 2 also get a-lot of trade calls/movement due to the draft being 3 days now. 

[Bruce Harper]

19 hours ago, Bronxville Jets Fan said:

From Jason Laconfora:

        
I keep hearing all things being relatively equal, the Jets will be going pass-rush potential with the 24th pick, which shouldn't come as a surprise. It's been a need seemingly for a decade and though this draft has few sure things when it comes to that, New York seems ready to bite. If Azeez Ojulari is still on the board, I'd mock him here.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-insider-notes-executive-gives-take-on-how-top-10-will-unfold-and-is-convinced-this-qb-is-headed-to-49ers/

Did he say what we got for trading down to 24?

[Augustiniak]

3 minutes ago, Shockwave said:

 

Don't feel like typing the above out again - but The Raiders draft 17. Philly drafts 12. Which is relevant because: 

 

 

 

Another team came out recently stating that they only had X amount of players ranked as First Round grades in the Teens as well. I think this further cements the idea that the Jets are highly likely to trade their pick up or down. I don't see AVT or Jenkins being there at 23. You'll be picking a player at 23 thats graded extremely close to the guys at 34. 

Either you move up for a First Round graded player or you move down. Whats nice about the Jets locking in on that 2nd pick so early is I think the FO will be very ready and aggressive with picks 23/34. They are in a good position to trade 34 as well as those top picks in round 2 also get a-lot of trade calls/movement due to the draft being 3 days now. 

I can imagine plan A as trading up to get an OL from 23, and plan B as trading back from 23.  If they trade back, they can still go defense in round 1 since they’re picking so early in round 2.  But i can also see them trading back into round 1 on Thursday to get someone, especially if they’ve traded back from 23.  This will be interesting to see how douglas maneuvers day 1.

[Beerfish]

13 hours ago, jetstream23 said:

Good stuff!  I really think the Jets are sniffing around the Day 3 WRs.  Just seems like a lot of talent in that 110-150 range in terms of slot WRs, developmental guys, etc.

Oh they are going to do what they should have done last year when there was a better day 3 Wr group?

Good job Douglas!

[section314]

26 minutes ago, Shockwave said:

 

Don't feel like typing the above out again - but The Raiders draft 17. Philly drafts 12. Which is relevant because: 

 

 

 

Another team came out recently stating that they only had X amount of players ranked as First Round grades in the Teens as well. I think this further cements the idea that the Jets are highly likely to trade their pick up or down. I don't see AVT or Jenkins being there at 23. You'll be picking a player at 23 thats graded extremely close to the guys at 34. 

Either you move up for a First Round graded player or you move down. Whats nice about the Jets locking in on that 2nd pick so early is I think the FO will be very ready and aggressive with picks 23/34. They are in a good position to trade 34 as well as those top picks in round 2 also get a-lot of trade calls/movement due to the draft being 3 days now. 

Would be fascinated to know how many of the top 5 QB's are on teams first round grades.

[32EBoozer]

10 hours ago, mrcoops said:

Jenkins is 23, it's Christensen that turns 25 in September.

Common amongst BYU players, especially linemen. They go off on those 2 year missions and mature for two years, then they are blocking guys much younger and less physically developed than them. 
 

 

Conversely, their skill position players who rely on speed are often mysteriously far less likely to go on missions. Their QBs never seem to go on one.

 

BYU Mission trip 2020:

  Preparing for draft in Kenya

Only two QB's from BYU who have gone on missions have won conference titles: Max Hall and John Beck. And Beck, even though had a ton of success at BYU, flamed out in the pros, after being selected early in the second round.

Famous BYU QB's, Marc Wilson, Jim McMahon, Steve Young, Ty Detmer and Steve Sarkisian all have one thing in common: they did not serve missions.

Jim McMahon, came and went, and in the end said, "Happiness, was seeing Provo in the rearview mirror."

Edited April 24, 2021 by 32EBoozer

[Raideraholic]

On 4/23/2021 at 10:11 AM, Shockwave said:

https://www.nfl.com/news/raiders-gm-mike-mayock-excited-and-energized-by-offensive-line-changes

 

Raiders lined up to have a Practice Squad player start at RT this season. This is an obvious Landing spot for Jenkins. 

 

 

 

 

Raiders aren’t  given Jaryd Jones-Smith , or Brandon Parker ( 3 rd draft choice three years ago - looked very good playing Lt one game( more natural side) , but still look shaky at Rt. ) the Rt job without drafting one, and possible getting one in Fa( Mitchell Schwartz .    Last year Sam Young who was the was forced to play a lot was the weak link, but the Raiders offense line still performed at high level despite their top five offense lineman playing only five snaps all year together.

 

[football guy]

How would fans feel if the Jets selected both Tommy Tremble AND Pat Freiermuth on Day 2?

[Tranquilo]

1 minute ago, football guy said:

How would fans feel if the Jets selected both Tommy Tremble AND Pat Freiermuth on Day 2?

I would feel like we really are for realz running the Niners offense 

[Adoni Beast]

Just now, football guy said:

How would fans feel if the Jets selected both Tommy Tremble AND Pat Freiermuth on Day 2?

Elated they’d be quite the duo...if we took OL prior.

We can grab a speedy WR like Schwartz in 4 to round out the weapons.

Focus the rest of the draft on EDGE, CB, OL depth.

[C Mart]

1 minute ago, football guy said:

How would fans feel if the Jets selected both Tommy Tremble AND Pat Freiermuth on Day 2?

Are they employing a 4 TE set offense? Still makes no sense without upgrade at IOL. 

[Wit]

4 minutes ago, football guy said:

How would fans feel if the Jets selected both Tommy Tremble AND Pat Freiermuth on Day 2?

Would that mean we picked defense at 23 most likely? I’m thinking Caleb Farley or Gregory R 

[mrcoops]

4 minutes ago, football guy said:

How would fans feel if the Jets selected both Tommy Tremble AND Pat Freiermuth on Day 2?

I've actually done that a couple of times in mocks. I think it could be a very good move, with Tremble playing more of a FB/H-back role and Freiermuth as the TE.

Do you think that's a legit possibility?

[football guy]

1 minute ago, Adoni Beast said:

Elated they’d be quite the duo...if we took OL prior.

We can grab a speedy WR like Schwartz in 4 to round out the weapons.

Focus the rest of the draft on EDGE, CB, OL depth.

I think they would play Tommy Tremble at FB, and while 3rd round feels high for one they would use him in the Juszczyk role with the potential to develop into a “move” TE. 

Pat Freiermuth would be more of a traditional inline TE who would back up Chris Herndon this year and become the starter in 2022, with Herndon leaving in FA. 
 

Reason why I bring this up is because Jets have engaged Freiermuth a lot throughout the process. Very much a Joe Douglas guy

[football guy]

2 minutes ago, Wit said:

Would that mean we picked defense at 23 most likely? I’m thinking Caleb Farley or Gregory R 

I don’t think that suggests such. I also don’t know where Freiermuth is a target (guessing 34-66?), but I could see them favoring the offense in this draft regardless

[derp]

The Freiermuth thing makes sense. Productive, great character. Wish we had measurables. Would be happier with him post trade down from 34 but I do wonder if he’s in play there.

[Wit]

4 minutes ago, football guy said:

I don’t think that suggests such. I also don’t know where Freiermuth is a target (guessing 34-66?), but I could see them favoring the offense in this draft regardless

Which player would need to fall out of the top 15 that JD would HAVE to trade up to grab?

Also, if Pitts fell to Carolina, would how pull the trigger there? (I know he won’t get passed Miami but just in case this would make me feel better)

[Adoni Beast]

4 minutes ago, football guy said:

I think they would play Tommy Tremble at FB, and while 3rd round feels high for one they would use him in the Juszczyk role with the potential to develop into a “move” TE. 

Pat Freiermuth would be more of a traditional inline TE who would back up Chris Herndon this year and become the starter in 2022, with Herndon leaving in FA. 
 

Reason why I bring this up is because Jets have engaged Freiermuth a lot throughout the process. Very much a Joe Douglas guy

Considering the Jets had an offer for juice and have met with Tremble I can definitely see this playing out.

I’d love for us to go Freiermuth and Tremble back to back in the 3rd.

OL in 1, Edge or CB in 2, TE/FB in 3, WR or Edge in 4.

[Adoni Beast]

14 minutes ago, football guy said:

How would fans feel if the Jets selected both Tommy Tremble AND Pat Freiermuth on Day 2?

Also, if we went this route we’d have A LOT of TEs to cut this summer.

[32EBoozer]

2 minutes ago, mrcoops said:

I've actually done that a couple of times in mocks. I think it could be a very good move, with Tremble playing more of a FB/H-back role and Freiermuth as the TE.

Do you think that's a legit possibility?

Patriots “Modus Operandi”

Im uncertain if West Coast runs out of 2 TE sets often enough. 

Tremble as H-back is interesting. We need a player similar to Juszcyzik  

 

[flgreen]

On 4/23/2021 at 7:57 PM, HawkeyeJet said:

I think the NFL comp for ISM is Robby Anderson.  I've thought that for 3 years now. 

I have said it in a few other threads, and I know I'm biased, but Smith-Marsette is going to be a good pro.  He's a better player than his Iowa resume shows.  Iowa criminally misused him and this year had abysmal QB play on top of that.  He has had some some concentration issues and some would say(I wouldn't though) maturity issues, but he can play and is fast, fast, fast.

Predicting late round picks is a needle in a haystack, but I'd be thrilled with him.  Will be a starting KR immediately for someone and I feel has a real chance to be a solid NFL WR.

 

 

[Sammybighead]

17 minutes ago, Wit said:

Would that mean we picked defense at 23 most likely? I’m thinking Caleb Farley or Gregory R 

Those guys would be a total disaster. Rousseau is a huge bust waiting to happen. He looked like he was running through molasses at his pro day. His sacks were not 1 on 1 wins, he cleaned up the garbage.

Farley is one hit away from being dee milliner. 

I HATE BOTH.