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Oh man, @joewilly12 is gonna poop his depends.

I'm getting a little sick of seeing 100 different topics being created to discuss pretty much the same thing, so I figured make a thread where it can all go down in one spot, separate from the FA thre

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9 minutes ago, Jetsbb said:

As the facts bear out it is becoming very clear that what is driving this decision is Joe Douglas philosophy that the only player he will not take calls on is a franchise QB. This was never a mathematical equation weighing both sides of the compensation as @football guyhas been claiming. Once Joe determined he was in love with Wilson and that he is a franchise guy that was the end of it. Albert Breer said It became clear to the 49ers when they were discussing Darnold with the Jets that the 2nd pick was off the table. Joe is just waiting to check those boxes of his physical and then Darnold and only Darnold not the 2nd pick will be up for sale.

This isn't it at all lol

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1 minute ago, football guy said:

This isn't it at all lol

Peter King "I hear Joe Douglas is standing firm and is not interested in trading the second pick" All evidence is pointing against you buddy.

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Just now, Jetsbb said:

Peter King "I hear Joe Douglas is standing firm and is not interested in trading the second pick" All evidence is pointing against you buddy.

I can care less about what Peter King hears. 

Jets haven't made #2 available, just as they haven't made Sam Darnold available. Is it wise to assume that neither will be traded simply because neither have been made available yet?

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10 minutes ago, football guy said:

I can care less about what Peter King hears. 

Jets haven't made #2 available, just as they haven't made Sam Darnold available. Is it wise to assume that neither will be traded simply because neither have been made available yet?

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Peter King thinks he thinks you couldn't care less.

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9 minutes ago, football guy said:

I can care less about what Peter King hears. 

Jets haven't made #2 available, just as they haven't made Sam Darnold available. Is it wise to assume that neither will be traded simply because neither have been made available yet?

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Isn’t available yet? they’ve scouted all these QBs including Darnold there is no way they have absolutely  no idea what there doing at the QB position.

The only way you won’t  even entertain a huge haul for a trade with the Niners is because you love a QB at 2..

 

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10 minutes ago, football guy said:

I can care less about what Peter King hears. 

Jets haven't made #2 available, just as they haven't made Sam Darnold available. Is it wise to assume that neither will be traded simply because neither have been made available yet?

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Except that's not what he said. He didn't say the #2 isn't available yet. He said Joe is not interested in trading the pick. If that is the case we all know the domino effects of that. Sam Darnold will be traded and Jets pick Zach Wilson.  It is pointless to argue with you because you are going to die on this hill vs ever admitting your information was inaccurate. Reasonable minds can figure it out though.

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9 minutes ago, football guy said:

Joe has been open to everything. You don't have to trust me, trust Adam Schefter. Better yet, go watch the press conferences and trust his own words. Douglas has always said he would answer the phone. Are you really that naïve to think that Joe to think the 49ers didn't even try to gauge what it would cost for #2? Of course they did... people in the organization have said that moving out of the top 10 was a hard no way before this trade even went down, and being that Joe has been unwilling to negotiate gives people the sense that he's staying there. I don't necessarily disagree, but Joe hasn't been willing to negotiate on Sam either, so now we should assume he's not going anywhere either? Please. 

People working in the front office are very open with the fact that they don't fully know either because only one guy knows right now and that's Joe. They aren't guessing on the QB evaluation/trade process and it is widely known in their building. Right now, only one person knows which way he's leaning and that's Joe. Hell, Joe hasn't even told the coaches his plans but Peter King knows? GTFOH. You just come off as a being a pompous smartass with very little understanding how fluid the evaluation and decision-making process works. They have made a clear distinction between when they know something vs. when they're guessing, and as it relates to the Darnold vs. QB at #2 decision/trades, they have been in the meetings throughout the offseason, Peter King wasn't. I trust what they say, forgive me for not giving a sh*t what you or Peter King have to say. 

While I agree !! The tea leaves r there !! And when u have guys like DJ and Baldy who both predicted Becton for Jets , say they would be shocked if it’s not Wilson that’s telling  . DJ is extremely close to Joe and Jets have nothing to hide . The Jets are basically the Number 1 pick .  99% Jets r taking Wilson. 

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3 hours ago, Adoni Beast said:

Lance or Fields to ATL at 4 makes so much sense to sit behind Matt Ryan for a year.

Yup.  Those feel like the two guys who are least Pro-ready at this point.  I think Trevor, Wilson and Mac Jones could see the field faster and have fewer rookie stumbling blocks than Fields and definitely Lance.  But I've been wrong on these things before.  Never would have guessed that Herbert could find success so quickly last year so who knows?

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Just now, jetstream23 said:

Yup.  Those feel like the two guys who are least Pro-ready at this point.  I think Trevor, Wilson and Mac Jones could see the field faster and have fewer rookie stumbling blocks than Fields and definitely Lance.  But I've been wrong on these things before.  Never would have guessed that Herbert could find success so quickly last year so who knows?

I thought Herbert was going to be awful. I couldn’t agree with you more, it’s like a lottery.

But yes I think Lance and Fields would benefit from sitting for a year, Wilson too...maybe half a year.

 

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58 minutes ago, football guy said:

I can care less about what Peter King hears. 

Jets haven't made #2 available, just as they haven't made Sam Darnold available. Is it wise to assume that neither will be traded simply because neither have been made available yet?

Try harder

I have a question, the dolphins traded from 3 to 6 for basically a first in 2023 after all the wheeling and dealing was done, you say it will take a bigger trade haul to get the jets out of #2 but going by what the dolphins ended up with would the original trade of two firsts and a third not be of equal value from the Panters to move to 8th? 

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52 minutes ago, Jetsbb said:

Except that's not what he said. He didn't say the #2 isn't available yet. He said Joe is not interested in trading the pick. If that is the case we all know the domino effects of that. Sam Darnold will be traded and Jets pick Zach Wilson.  It is pointless to argue with you because you are going to die on this hill vs ever admitting your information was inaccurate. Reasonable minds can figure it out though.

Peter "hears".. Nobody truly knows but Joe D and we're still 4+ weeks from the draft..

First: I hear Joe Douglas is standing firm and is not interested in trading the second pick. But I believe there could be one team left that is interested in moving up, even at a ridiculous cost. That is Carolina, picking eighth in the first round. The Jets have the second pick, and odds are good that they stay right there and pick BYU quarterback Zach Wilson. So the table has been set now. For someone to move up to get the second pick, even from six picks down, it would cost first-round picks this year plus in 2022 and 2023. Would Carolina be willing to do that? I bet the Panthers, who seem lukewarm on incumbent Teddy Bridgewater and who have an ultra-aggressive owner in David Tepper, would think hard about it. Such a trade with the Panthers would leave the Jets inebriated on first-round draft choices: two this year, three in 2022, two in 2023. I don’t see Douglas doing it, but he just might be tempted.

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3 hours ago, Patriot Killa said:

 

The only obvious thing I'll say here is that blitzing Alabama and leaving guys like Devonta Smith and Jaylen Waddle to run down the field in single coverage does make things a little easier for the QB being pressured, as does having Najee Smith running into the flat as a hot route/ check down.

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6 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

 But I've been wrong on these things before.  Never would have guessed that Herbert could find success so quickly last year so who knows?

Who hasn't and multiple times?!?  

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3 hours ago, RogerVick1980 said:

I think Mac can succeed  because he can move his feet well and has pocket awareness...

I don’t get this idea that pure pocket passers are dead in the NFL when Brady just won a title and Ryan would have if the Falcons just ran the ball when they had the huge lead..

The idea you need you need to be Lamar Jackson is foolish.. I think the way Lamar plays there is a lot of questions if he can thrive in the playoffs especially when his teams down a few scores and he’s forced to throw 

 

The reason it seems the Jets continue to value these mobile QBs who can throw on the run and escape the pocket is because..... they can't create a pocket!!!  It's almost an acceptance that we're going to undervalue OLine and then expect our QB to be successful when running for his life.  Pocket passers are perfect for the NFL... if you can maintain a pocket most of the time.  It's almost like the Jets try to solve problems that they've created themselves by trying to find QBs that mask their OLine issues.

Recent Super Bowl QBs of just the past few years.... Brady (3x), Goff, Nick Foles, Matt Ryan, Garapolo.... all are primarily pocket passers and they're getting to the big game.  Is it me or Mahomes maybe the only exception to the recent set of Super Bowl QBs.

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4 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

The only obvious thing I'll say here is that blitzing Alabama and leaving guys like Devonta Smith and Jaylen Waddle to run down the field in single coverage does make things a little easier for the QB being pressured, as does having Najee Smith running into the flat as a hot route/ check down.

Speaks a few volumes about our new golden boy ehh?

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2 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

Speaks a few volumes about our new golden boy ehh?

And what our old golden boy didn't seem to have around him.  If you're bored for 10 minutes check out this trip down memory lane...

 

 

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8 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

The only obvious thing I'll say here is that blitzing Alabama and leaving guys like Devonta Smith and Jaylen Waddle to run down the field in single coverage does make things a little easier for the QB being pressured, as does having Najee Smith running into the flat as a hot route/ check down.

I do think Mac Jones has some of the better pocket movement when watching him. I think he’s gonna be really good if he goes to the right situation. 

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3 hours ago, genot said:

Well. It looks like resetting the QB, is the direction we're headed. I've always understood the reasoning behind it. I just thought acquiring more picks in a trade down, and sticking with Darnold was the better approach. I must say, i find myself a little angry and saddened about the way Darnold has been left out they're, for so long without a resolution. Like him, or not. Darniold is a case study on how a young, talented QB, can have his career screwed by an inept organization.

What bothers me about this and what others are saying is that it is taking any iota of responsibility for his play off of him and pointing it elsewhere. He threw into double coverage, he still ran out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage multiple times,  he still missed 10 out of 48 games, he still has trouble dissecting a defense pre and post snap. Getting better at all of those was totally in his control yet he failed to improve upon them and some still want to deny he was responsible for any of it. 

I could go along with the attitude being that the HC and front office did him no favors but to totally exempt him from responsibility is ridiculous in my opinion. 

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1 hour ago, Jetsbb said:

As the facts bear out it is becoming very clear that what is driving this decision is Joe Douglas philosophy that the only player he will not take calls on is a franchise QB. This was never a mathematical equation weighing both sides of the compensation as @football guyhas been claiming. Once Joe determined he was in love with Wilson and that he is a franchise guy that was the end of it. Albert Breer said It became clear to the 49ers when they were discussing Darnold with the Jets that the 2nd pick was off the table. Joe is just waiting to check those boxes of his physical and then Darnold and only Darnold not the 2nd pick will be up for sale.

Wilson is not a franchise QB. He is a wannabe franchise QB. Huge difference!

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3 minutes ago, C Mart said:

How does anyone know this today?!? 

The point is if Joe is willing to mortgage the 2nd overall pick on Wilson it means he values him as a franchise QB. That is why the 2nd pick is not for sale. According to both Albert Breer and Peter King Joe has let it known that he is not trading the 2nd pick. It is similar to what Nick Caserio was telling teams when they brought up Watson. Do not make an offer it will not be entertained.

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46 minutes ago, Jetsbb said:

The point is if Joe is willing to mortgage the 2nd overall pick on Wilson it means he values him as a franchise QB. That is why the 2nd pick is not for sale.

You’re just cherry-picking parts of dialogue. The pick is still forsale. The price and desire has been made less likely. 

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1 hour ago, Jetsbb said:

As the facts bear out it is becoming very clear that what is driving this decision is Joe Douglas philosophy that the only player he will not take calls on is a franchise QB. This was never a mathematical equation weighing both sides of the compensation as @football guyhas been claiming. Once Joe determined he was in love with Wilson and that he is a franchise guy that was the end of it. Albert Breer said It became clear to the 49ers when they were discussing Darnold with the Jets that the 2nd pick was off the table. Joe is just waiting to check those boxes of his physical and then Darnold and only Darnold not the 2nd pick will be up for sale.

not clear at all.

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21 minutes ago, choon328 said:

What bothers me about this and what others are saying is that it is taking any iota of responsibility for his play off of him and pointing it elsewhere. He threw into double coverage, he still ran out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage multiple times,  he still missed 10 out of 48 games, he still has trouble dissecting a defense pre and post snap. Getting better at all of those was totally in his control yet he failed to improve upon them and some still want to deny he was responsible for any of it. 

I could go along with the attitude being that the HC and front office did him no favors but to totally exempt him from responsibility is ridiculous in my opinion. 

They threw him out there as a rookie. He was 20 yrs old. No QB coach. No o-line that could run block, or pass block very well. Limited talent at the skill positions. At least he was in a system that suited his style. Then Gase comes in. A different style offense that showed no success in Miami. Does the talent around him improve. No. It gets worse. No Herndon. Then no Robby. Two receivers he had some chemistry with. It was a presciption for failure. Yes. He made bad decisions. His team sucked, and it was his job to put points on the board. He forced some throws. Mistakes. But understandable considering the circumstances.

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Let's say that Carolina dumps the truck onto the Jets' lap.  I think they make a very big offer-close to what they would have paid for Watson.

1-Who do you think Carolina takes at 2?   I don't think its Wilson.  

2-Let's say its not Wilson.  Who does SF take at 3?

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13 minutes ago, C Mart said:

How does anyone know this today?!? 

I said the same thing this morning after someone else claimed for sure that Wilson was going to bust and the response I got was "It's a prediction"!    :unsure:  uh... ok...  sheer lunacy

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2 minutes ago, Paradis said:

You’re just cherry-picking parts of dialogue. The pick is still sale. The price and desire has made less likely. Including Breer. 

According to Breer the 49ers were able to discern from their conversations about Darnold with the Jets that they were not going to trade out of the 2nd pick. I don't know how much clearer it can be.

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