2021 NFL Draft Mega-thread: News, Rumors, and Discussion

[Beerfish]

9 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

Understood.  I don't expect us to find a Bosa obviously.  My point is that Saleh wants a young edge rusher to go with his experience FA edge rusher, just like SF had with Bosa and Dee Ford.  I don't know if that's Kwity Paye, Ronnie Perkins, Greg Rousseau or whoever....but I'm convinced Saleh wants a young edge rusher as his priority on defense for this Draft.

Agree 100% that DLine is the strength of this team.  Doesn't matter.  The LEO is the straw that stirs the drink for Saleh's defense.

I'm not saying Edge should go ahead of offense but with picks at 23 and 34 we shouldn't force feed ourselves Dillon Radunz at 23 if the other OL guys are gone while someone like Paye or Rousseau are sitting there.  We can come back at 34 for the OL.   And it works vice versa.  I'd be perfectly fine with Teven Jenkins at 23 and Ronnie Perkins at 34.

 

 

Premium position.  Not overkill.  If this D relies on a strong pass rush and allowing average CBs to make plays on wobbly and ill-timed passes coming from a QB under duress....then we need more than just Carl Lawson.

Where are we going to play all these guys?  You saw my list we have a lot viable guys right now.  imo if you are drafting a guy early you  have instantly admitting that your 3rd rounder from last year is a bust.

I am not against getting saleh his pass usher perhaps next year when we will have once again lots of draft resources.

We once again this year favoured defense in FA, so help me if we do that with the draft as well again I'll have an aneurysm. 

[K_O_Brien]

Yuck. 

[jetstream23]

24 minutes ago, MysticalJet2 said:

Stupid by the 49ers then.  Why trade up 1 stop short that high to miss your guy. Just dumb.  If you want him that bad you do it.  There is a clear perception that there is a drop off in QB between 2 & 3

Yeah, it's nuts.  If the 49ers prize Lawrence and Wilson, and then think it's a bit of a toss up between Jones, Lance, Fields then they used WAY too much Draft capital to come up WAY too far on the Board.  Why climb all the way to #3?  Seems like they should have been in the mode of getting to #2, and then if they couldn't they should have worked behind the scenes to setup some potential trade-ups into the 4-10 range for Draft night depending on what happens.   Why not have a plan in place with Detroit to leapfrog Carolina and get someone like Jones, Lance or Fields if he's there?

Say what you will about Maccagnan but when he made his power move up to #3 he apparently had at least 3 QBs he was convinced were worthy of a Top 3 pick.  He had his pecking order in place but just didn't know which one would be there.

If these Fields rumors are true AND SF is still deciding between Lance and Jones two days before the Draft then whoa nelly!!!   John Lynch should be under serious scrutiny.

 

[jetstream23]

3 minutes ago, K_O_Brien said:

Yuck. 

 

 

Zach Wilson's reaction....

 

[JohnnyLV]

26 minutes ago, CTJetsFan said:

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports Jaguars HC Urban Meyer narrowed down the No. 1 selection to Trevor Lawrence, Zach Wilson, and Justin Fields.

There's no doubt that Lawrence will ultimately be taken at the top of the draft despite Meyer failing to name him as the selection when talking with Rapoport. However, Justin Fields making the final cut for Jacksonville is noteworthy. Recent reports have ruled him out as an option for San Francisco with the No. 3 overall pick but if other teams arrive at similar conclusions to the Jaguars, Fields' slide could be shortlived. Atlanta at No. 4 is the first team that could realistically draft Fields with the Lions and Panthers as the next two teams in the draft order who could see quarterback as a need.

Source: Ian Rapoport on Twitter

Apr 27, 2021, 1:27 PM ET

I have to admit this scares me a bit. Right around this same time the rhetoric around Mayfield to the Browns sort of started to percolate.

[jetstream23]

27 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Where are we going to play all these guys?  You saw my list we have a lot viable guys right now.  imo if you are drafting a guy early you  have instantly admitting that your 3rd rounder from last year is a bust.

I am not against getting saleh his pass usher perhaps next year when we will have once again lots of draft resources.

We once again this year favoured defense in FA, so help me if we do that with the draft as well again I'll have an aneurysm. 

Several of the guys you mentioned will play inside IMO.  Also, Saleh rotates his DLinemen heavily... like really heavily.  He wants fresh bodies, energized pass rushers, uses situational guys, etc.

When you think of prototypical 4-3 DE's the Jets don't actually have a ton.  We already shipped off Henry Anderson (not a fit) and guys who I love like JFM and Kyle Phillips aren't ideal for the 4-3 at DE, although they will play there.  Maybe they turn out to be a better fit than I expect but I just see the Jets looking for a young, traditional, down (non-stand up) 4-3 DE as the key to the scheme on D.  QW, Rankins, Foley will play inside.  JFM probably needs to play inside a bit more as well.  Those guys are all like 280+ lbs.  The Jets need two starting DEs and some rotational backups and 3rd down pass rush specialists IMO.

Again, I could be completely off but I think a lot of us have gotten used to the variable 3-4 systems the Jets have been running for the past decade... we kinda forget what a truly great 4-3 needs to look like.  If you give Saleh the choice between a lockdown, shutdown CB and a premiere edge rusher I think he takes the edge guy 10 times out of 10.

 

[CTJetsFan]

12 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

I have to admit this scares me a bit. Right around this same time the rhetoric around Mayfield to the Browns sort of started to percolate.

Exactly. That`s why I thought it was worth posting 

[jetblue95]

15 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

I have to admit this scares me a bit. Right around this same time the rhetoric around Mayfield to the Browns sort of started to percolate.

 

what scares you about that?

that the jags may not take lawrence or that the jets could be bluffing and wind up taking fields?

[Beerfish]

4 hours ago, jetstream23 said:

Several of the guys you mentioned will play inside IMO.  Also, Saleh rotates his DLinemen heavily... like really heavily.  He wants fresh bodies, energized pass rushers, uses situational guys, etc.

When you think of prototypical 4-3 DE's the Jets don't actually have a ton.  We already shipped off Henry Anderson (not a fit) and guys who I love like JFM and Kyle Phillips aren't ideal for the 4-3 at DE, although they will play there.  Maybe they turn out to be a better fit than I expect but I just see the Jets looking for a young, traditional, down (non-stand up) 4-3 DE as the key to the scheme on D.  QW, Rankins, Foley will play inside.  JFM probably needs to play inside a bit more as well.  Those guys are all like 280+ lbs.  The Jets need two starting DEs and some rotational backups and 3rd down pass rush specialists IMO.

Again, I could be completely off but I think a lot of us have gotten used to the variable 3-4 systems the Jets have been running for the past decade... we kinda forget what a truly great 4-3 needs to look like.  If you give Saleh the choice between a lockdown, shutdown CB and a premiere edge rusher I think he takes the edge guy 10 times out of 10.

 

We have no corners, we do not even have 5 half assed olineman, the largest position group there is, and one in which you do not rotate.  We have no solid Rb, no reliable TE, medium Wr group and are worried about getting Saleh a 6th or 7th dline because he likes to rotate.  for once can we let the D genius coach actually coach his side of the ball up?

Our offense has been a back hole for years and we seem to want to repeat the same mistakes over and over and over again.

 

[JohnnyLV]

15 minutes ago, jetblue95 said:

 

what scares you about that?

that the jags may not take lawrence or that the jets could be bluffing and wind up taking fields?

There is no possibility of the Jets taking Fields. They told that to your face if you were listening.

But it does worry me that the Jaguars will ultimately take Wilson with the first pick. Yeah we get Lawrence but I like Wilson more

[JohnnyLV]

9 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

We have no corners, we do not even have 5 half assed olineman, the largest position group there is, and one in which you do not rotate.  We have no solid Rb, no reliable TE, medium Wr group and are worreid about getting Saleh a 6th or 7th dline because he likes to rotate.  for ocne can we let the D genius coach actually coach his side of the ball up?

Our offense has been a back hole for years and we seem to want to repeat the same mistakes over and over and over again.

 

With you a bazillion percent. We went back to defense after selecting Sam we just cannot make that same mistake this time.

[adobolo2]

4 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

There is no possibility of the Jets taking Fields. They told that to your face if you were listening.

But it does worry me that the Jaguars will ultimately take Wilson with the first pick. Yeah we get Lawrence but I like Wilson more

I know we are not taking fields, he is my preferred option but it ain't happening but I missed where Joe told us we are definitely not taking him, when did he say that just so I can officially put any idea of it happening to bed.

[football guy]

1 hour ago, Shockwave said:

This  could all be BS. But if its true that Fields doesn't get picked until the teens: 

1) There is essentially no debate of Fields vs Wilson. Wilson is viewed much higher and its not close according to NFL FO's. 

2) Chris Simms is really good at QB's. 

3)The General Public grades QB's differently then NFL FO. Just yesterday JT Osullivan had Justin Fields as his number 1 QB overall. 

I’m still really intrigued by Carolina. I think back to my source there (who has not answered a goddamn thing since the Darnold trade) saying “Pitts, Farley, maybe Fields” about 2 months ago now. 

Since then we’ve pretty much learned Pitts won’t be there, and Farley had back surgery. We’ve still seen really noteworthy journalists link Fields to them despite trading for Darnold, with Albert Breer saying that ownership is totally on board with throwing resources at the QB position. At the same time, it could just be an elaborate ploy to get someone to trade up. And if that’s the case, maybe teams just call their bluff and see if CAR is serious about taking a QB. 

I’m keeping an eye on New England. If they can swing a trade for #8 by sending say #15, #46, and CB Stephon Gilmore, it totally opens up Carolina’s draft possibilities plus lands them a corner. At #15, they can go a variety of directions and even consider drafting Farley if they aren’t turned off by his medicals. The question is how much does NE really like Fields, if at all... wouldn’t be the first time people came away shocked if they just outright passed an opportunity to get him. If not NE, will CHI ownership green-light a trade (I doubt they would if it included a future 1st)? Would WAS move up? Crazy scenarios to consider 

[UntouchableCrew]

47 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

I have to admit this scares me a bit. Right around this same time the rhetoric around Mayfield to the Browns sort of started to percolate.

You have nothing to worry about. There's zero chance Urban passes on Lawrence. TL is the only reason he's in Jacksonville.

[nycdan]

5 minutes ago, football guy said:

I’m still really intrigued by Carolina. I think back to my source there (who has not answered a goddamn thing since the Darnold trade) saying “Pitts, Farley, maybe Fields” about 2 months ago now. 

Since then we’ve pretty much learned Pitts won’t be there, and Farley had back surgery. We’ve still seen really noteworthy journalists link Fields to them despite trading for Darnold, with Albert Breer saying that ownership is totally on board with throwing resources at the QB position. At the same time, it could just be an elaborate ploy to get someone to trade up. And if that’s the case, maybe teams just call their bluff and see if CAR is serious about taking a QB. 

I’m keeping an eye on New England. If they can swing a trade for #8 by sending say #15, #46, and CB Stephon Gilmore, it totally opens up Carolina’s draft possibilities plus lands them a corner. At #15, they can go a variety of directions and even consider drafting Farley if they aren’t turned off by his medicals. The question is how much does NE really like Fields, if at all... wouldn’t be the first time people came away shocked if they just outright passed an opportunity to get him. If not NE, will CHI ownership green-light a trade (I doubt they would if it included a future 1st)? Would WAS move up? Crazy scenarios to consider 

I dread NE getting Fields.  But I could also see them passing on him possibly.

I cannot, under any circumstance, see CHI passing.  Bears fans would burn the stadium to the ground.

[CanadaSteve]

6 hours ago, dbatesman said:

 

Have you watched them both play?

[Adoni Beast]

1 hour ago, K_O_Brien said:

Yuck. 

That’s an awesome draft… but that pick at 23 needs to be OL or a WR.

[slats]

59 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Where are we going to play all these guys?  You saw my list we have a lot viable guys right now.  imo if you are drafting a guy early you  have instantly admitting that your 3rd rounder from last year is a bust.

I am not against getting saleh his pass usher perhaps next year when we will have once again lots of draft resources.

We once again this year favoured defense in FA, so help me if we do that with the draft as well again I'll have an aneurysm. 

Next year you’ll be crying for offense again, probably OL, I guarantee it  

Jets went offense in the first two rounds last year, and are obviously going offense #2 overall this year. I’ll be shocked if they don’t take offense with at least one of #23 & 34, and they will probably, once again, have an offensive dominated draft like they did last year when they took offense over defense 5 players to three. 

The roster isn’t going to be completed with this year’s draft. The most optimistic takes have the Jets near .500 (my glass not being nearly that full). What they should be doing is looking at it like a two year plan, knowing all the picks they have early next year. In other words, there’s no reason to force an offensive pick if a defender is sitting there that both fits a need and is their BAP at that spot. If they pass on -say- a starting caliber CB for a developmental OL, that’s a roster weakening move. You take the BAP, especially early when there’s a clearer gap between prospects. You force the position picks later when the grades are closer (if you have to). 
 
You and @FidelioJet are probably setting yourselves up for anger and sadness if you truly believe the sky is falling if the Jets take a defender before the third round. 

[JohnnyLV]

23 minutes ago, adobolo2 said:

I know we are not taking fields, he is my preferred option but it ain't happening but I missed where Joe told us we are definitely not taking him, when did he say that just so I can officially put any idea of it happening to bed.

He said that there were only 2 QBs they like in the draft and if they were picking 3 they would have stuck with Sam. Coupled will all the other tings about Zach it is pretty obvious Fields is not one of them

[slats]

1 hour ago, CTJetsFan said:

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports Jaguars HC Urban Meyer narrowed down the No. 1 selection to Trevor Lawrence, Zach Wilson, and Justin Fields.

There's no doubt that Lawrence will ultimately be taken at the top of the draft despite Meyer failing to name him as the selection when talking with Rapoport. However, Justin Fields making the final cut for Jacksonville is noteworthy. Recent reports have ruled him out as an option for San Francisco with the No. 3 overall pick but if other teams arrive at similar conclusions to the Jaguars, Fields' slide could be shortlived. Atlanta at No. 4 is the first team that could realistically draft Fields with the Lions and Panthers as the next two teams in the draft order who could see quarterback as a need.

Source: Ian Rapoport on Twitter

Apr 27, 2021, 1:27 PM ET

Could just be Urban Meyer tipping his cap to Fields, trying to give him a bump when the football world is collectively ****ing on him. 
 
Mostly it’s just TV show nonsense, though, IMO. The league doesn’t want the picks revealed before the big show, so the teams up top have to remain coy. 

[Untouchable]

1 hour ago, K_O_Brien said:

Yuck. 

One OL (who projects as a backup swing tackle) in the 5th round...

And Etienne falling to the 4th?

Roche falling to the 5th?

As if I needed another reason to hate PFF. Why so many treat the word of these dickheads as gospel is beyond me.

[adobolo2]

3 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

He said that there were only 2 QBs they like in the draft and if they were picking 3 they would have stuck with Sam. Coupled will all the other tings about Zach it is pretty obvious Fields is not one of them

Yes knew Joe said that and the sneaky smile everytime Wilson is mentioned in his presence. But I held out hope that fields might be one of the 2 he was talking about because it's not that long ago Lawerance and fields were 1A and 1B going into this draft process.

[Untouchable]

1 hour ago, johnnysd said:

I have to admit this scares me a bit. Right around this same time the rhetoric around Mayfield to the Browns sort of started to percolate.

Scares you?

Don’t understand that one

If Lawrence somehow drops to #2, we should all be over the moon.

The majority of the fanbase (including myself) were more than willing to endure an 0-16 season to land the guy just 4 months ago.

Maybe he isn’t the “generational” prospect that he’s been pumped up to be, but I still think he’s virtually guaranteed to at the very least be a quality starting QB for 10+ years.

[chirorob]

54 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

We have no corners, we do not even have 5 half assed olineman, the largest position group there is, and one in which you do not rotate.  We have no solid Rb, no reliable TE, medium Wr group and are worreid about getting Saleh a 6th or 7th dline because he likes to rotate.  for ocne can we let the D genius coach actually coach his side of the ball up?

Our offense has been a back hole for years and we seem to want to repeat the same mistakes over and over and over again.

 

Agree

You want a shiny new QB?  I'm sorry, the #1 priority is not getting him killed and ruined.  That mean O Line, that means a competent running attack, a TE if you find one in the 3rd, or a #1 type WR.  

The defense will suck next year, but protecting your QB and giving him a chance to succeed >>>>>>>> defensive line depth

[JohnnyLV]

2 minutes ago, Untouchable said:

Scares you?

Don’t understand that one

If Lawrence somehow drops to #2, we should all be over the moon.

The majority of the fanbase (including myself) were more than willing to endure an 0-16 season to land the guy just 4 months ago.

Maybe he isn’t the “generational” prospect that he’s been pumped up to be, but I still think he’s virtually guaranteed to at the very least be a quality starting QB for 10+ years.

I think Wilson will be better so yes them taking Wilson scares me.

[JohnnyLV]

6 minutes ago, adobolo2 said:

Yes knew Joe said that and the sneaky smile everytime Wilson is mentioned in his presence. But I held out hope that fields might be one of the 2 he was talking about because it's not that long ago Lawerance and fields were 1A and 1B going into this draft process.

Simple logic eliminates that possibility. We know one is Wilson. We also know that the Jets would not draft QB below 2. So since there is no chance JAX takes Fields the 2 have to be Lawrence and Wilson

[Bronxville Jets Fan]

31 minutes ago, nycdan said:

I dread NE getting Fields.  But I could also see them passing on him possibly.

I cannot, under any circumstance, see CHI passing.  Bears fans would burn the stadium to the ground.

Yeah, same here.  I’m rooting for Fields, Pitts and Chase to get drafted by non-AFC East teams.

[JTJet]

26 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said:

That’s an awesome draft… but that pick at 23 needs to be OL or a WR.

That's easily one of the top 5 worst mocks I have seen so far. 

[Cbucco19]

39 minutes ago, football guy said:

I’m still really intrigued by Carolina. I think back to my source there (who has not answered a goddamn thing since the Darnold trade) saying “Pitts, Farley, maybe Fields” about 2 months ago now. 

Since then we’ve pretty much learned Pitts won’t be there, and Farley had back surgery. We’ve still seen really noteworthy journalists link Fields to them despite trading for Darnold, with Albert Breer saying that ownership is totally on board with throwing resources at the QB position. At the same time, it could just be an elaborate ploy to get someone to trade up. And if that’s the case, maybe teams just call their bluff and see if CAR is serious about taking a QB. 

I’m keeping an eye on New England. If they can swing a trade for #8 by sending say #15, #46, and CB Stephon Gilmore, it totally opens up Carolina’s draft possibilities plus lands them a corner. At #15, they can go a variety of directions and even consider drafting Farley if they aren’t turned off by his medicals. The question is how much does NE really like Fields, if at all... wouldn’t be the first time people came away shocked if they just outright passed an opportunity to get him. If not NE, will CHI ownership green-light a trade (I doubt they would if it included a future 1st)? Would WAS move up? Crazy scenarios to consider 

I think they take surtain or fields lol 

[dbatesman]

35 minutes ago, CanadaSteve said:

Have you watched them both play?

No, and I don’t need to, because I’m sure you‘re about to give me a positively excruciating lecture about how football is played in pads, not shorts, replete with punctilious discussions of motor and technique 

[jetstream23]

1 hour ago, Beerfish said:

We have no corners, we do not even have 5 half assed olineman, the largest position group there is, and one in which you do not rotate.  We have no solid Rb, no reliable TE, medium Wr group and are worreid about getting Saleh a 6th or 7th dline because he likes to rotate.  for ocne can we let the D genius coach actually coach his side of the ball up?

Our offense has been a back hole for years and we seem to want to repeat the same mistakes over and over and over again.

 

I'm not arguing with you.  And I don't disagree that the team has at least 5 glaring needs.  What I'm stating is my opinion that what revs the engine of Saleh's defense is the LEO and the pass rush.  My opinion is that he'd gladly field 3 or 4 average DBs if he can have 1 or 2 clear edge rusher / LEO types.  The LEO is a hybrid between the "L"inebacker and Defensive "E"nd.  Relatively speaking, it's kinda new, like the past decade or so.  

I'm not debating if OLine is a bigger need.  It is.  I'm not debating if this team lacks true weapons on offense across the board at WR, TE, RB.  It does.  I'm simply stating that in a Draft where the Jets have 9 picks I expect at least 3 of them will be on Defense and the priority is Edge over CB.  This is just my opinion.  Again, I could be completely wrong but I'm telling you I wouldn't be shocked if the Jets did something like QB, OL, Edge, WR, TE, OL in the first 4 rounds and then saw a CB drafted late followed by post-Draft signings of guys like Brian Poole and Richard Sherman.

 

If you want some insight into how Saleh thinks read this from 2017, the 49ers were transitioning from a 3-4 to 4-3.  And if you ever saw the video of this press conference and the grin that comes across his face when discussing it you'll know why I think this is a priority for him.  Look at the names he uses, the guys he identifies.... Cliff Avril, Von Miller, Khalil Mack, Yannick Ngakoue, etc.  Yes, the Jets signed Carl Lawson as a priority, and now you see why.  But he wants a young guy to mold.  He can't sit there and hope Lawson stays healthy all year and have nobody behind him.  Here's a link and a portion of the article from a few years ago....

https://www.ninersnation.com/2017/4/10/15238248/robert-saleh-49ers-defense-leo-role-aaron-lynch

The San Francisco 49ers are making a switch from a 3-4 defense to more of a 4-3, and while they will spend more time in the nickel, the change to a base 4-3 look is noteworthy. The 49ers have drafted for a 3-4, but the coaching staff and GM John Lynch have all said the 49ers current group of linemen are all versatile, and should be able to move into the 4-3.

The 49ers have a variety of options for three of the four pieces of the four-man base front. However, the LEO role has some question marks. Defensive coordinator Robert Saleh met with the media for the first time, and he got a chance to go into detail about what he sees for the position.

Aaron Lynch is viewed as the guy who would pencil in at the LEO position for the time being. The team could decide to draft some additional options, but for the start of the offseason workout program, Lynch would be in that role. Saleh was asked how he sees Lynch fitting in, and he was clear in his answer.

When asked for some specific traits he looks for in the LEO, Saleh pointed instead to examples of players who have held the role in his past defenses, and other defenses. They are some notable names:

“I’ll name some names that have been LEOs in the past, even if they haven’t been attached to this system. People who have been attached to this system, you’re looking at [former Seattle Seahawks DE] Chris Clemons, [Seattle Seahawks DE] Cliff Avril, [Jacksonville Jaguars DE] Yannick Ngakoue, [Jacksonville Jaguars DE] Dante Fowler, [Atlanta FalconsLB] Vic Beasley. People outside of the system, you’d look at [Denver Broncos LB] Von Miller, [Oakland Raiders DE] Khalil Mack. Back in his heyday, [former 49ers LB] Charles Haley would have been a guy that would have been a LEO.”

[Beerfish]

36 minutes ago, slats said:

Next year you’ll be crying for offense again, probably OL, I guarantee it  

Jets went offense in the first two rounds last year, and are obviously going offense #2 overall this year. I’ll be shocked if they don’t take offense with at least one of #23 & 34, and they will probably, once again, have an offensive dominated draft like they did last year when they took offense over defense 5 players to three. 

The roster isn’t going to be completed with this year’s draft. The most optimistic takes have the Jets near .500 (my glass not being nearly that full). What they should be doing is looking at it like a two year plan, knowing all the picks they have early next year. In other words, there’s no reason to force an offensive pick if a defender is sitting there that both fits a need and is their BAP at that spot. If they pass on -say- a starting caliber CB for a developmental OL, that’s a roster weakening move. You take the BAP, especially early when there’s a clearer gap between prospects. You force the position picks later when the grades are closer (if you have to). 
 
You and @FidelioJet are probably setting yourselves up for anger and sadness if you truly believe the sky is falling if the Jets take a defender before the third round. 

Dude it makes total sense to build the offense over the defense at this point in time.

- New Qb after getting the last one stomped into the turf

- Offensive league

- Have favoured D in the draft  for 10 years

- We favoured defense in free agency again as usual

Will I want offense again next year?  Yes

Rex, Bowles, now Saleh we want to over build their side of the ball

[adobolo2]

5 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

Simple logic eliminates that possibility. We know one is Wilson. We also know that the Jets would not draft QB below 2. So since there is no chance JAX takes Fields the 2 have to be Lawrence and Wilson

I understand why people are high on wilson but I just can't get my head around the negativity that has been put on Fields, there is the ohio state qb history, his supposed inability to go trough his progression which has been proved to be false and his bad throwing motion which I suppose has legitimate concerns. The PFF podcast gave a good reason for it on their podcast and it made some sense, the jags are picking lawerance so the media never done a deep deep dive into him because there was no point talking about it, then sam was traded and wilson became the lock for the jets so no point talking about him anymore so all the attention was put on Fields and his game and personality been examined to the last so much so that he has fallen from a top 5 pick to #32 in certain mocks I've seen recently....it's a bit ridiculous in my opinion, fields will be a 49er in 48 hours time.

[jetstream23]

@Beerfish The way I see it, Rex Ryan built an excellent D around the idea of a lockdown CB in Revis and then manufacturing a pass rush with schemes.  Saleh will be the polar opposite.  He will generate an organic pass rush with 4 guys and then scheme the coverage and the secondary.

 

[slats]

13 minutes ago, chirorob said:

Agree

You want a shiny new QB?  I'm sorry, the #1 priority is not getting him killed and ruined.  That mean O Line, that means a competent running attack, a TE if you find one in the 3rd, or a #1 type WR.  

The defense will suck next year, but protecting your QB and giving him a chance to succeed >>>>>>>> defensive line depth

Having a crappy defense does not protect your QB. Having a solid defense puts the ball back in his hands, and gives him the confidence that he doesn't have to score two touchdowns on every drive like Darnold must've felt for most of his time here. 

I think the team is gonna struggle, but I'd like to see those struggles kinda spread across the team evenly. I don't need the DC punching the OC in the face, for example. Take the BAP this year and next. Build an entire football team, not just one side of one.