Barkus Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 23 minutes ago, Doggin94it said: I can. Means Wilson doesn't have to start from day 1, gives you the chance to catch lightning in a bottle with Darnold in the new system, and means if Wilson does start out the gate it's because he won the job, not by default It is possible. On a different scale the niners are saying the same thing. They are saying Jimmy G is starter going in and the rookie will compete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Barkus said: It is possible. On a different scale the niners are saying the same thing. They are saying Jimmy G is starter going in and the rookie will compete. Jimmy went to a Super Bowl, and I at least thought they were more likely to draft a project. In the Jets case, it would be a former 3 pick competing against the 2 pick. I still like that option unless we could trade Darnold for a starter. If the 49ers are paying Jimmy G and the 3 pick, they are not competing. That is $35mm invested in the QB this season. That is a lot for them to compete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_Smith Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 21 minutes ago, varjet said: Jimmy went to a Super Bowl, and I at least thought they were more likely to draft a project. In the Jets case, it would be a former 3 pick competing against the 2 pick. I still like that option unless we could trade Darnold for a starter. If the 49ers are paying Jimmy G and the 3 pick, they are not competing. That is $35mm invested in the QB this season. That is a lot for them to compete. They can afford it this year, then cut or trade Jimmy while clearing a ton of cap space. They’re in a phenomenal position as long as Mac Jones comes out of his redshirt season as a quality starter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TokyoJetsFan Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 22 minutes ago, varjet said: Jimmy went to a Super Bowl, and I at least thought they were more likely to draft a project. In the Jets case, it would be a former 3 pick competing against the 2 pick. I still like that option unless we could trade Darnold for a starter. If the 49ers are paying Jimmy G and the 3 pick, they are not competing. That is $35mm invested in the QB this season. That is a lot for them to compete. I think what San Fran is doing by keeping both is exactly what Kansas City did with Alex Smith and Mahomes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choon328 Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 13 hours ago, Paradis said: What it is about being corrected that makes me some people turn into dickheads? I'm not mad, nor am I judging you - so what's your problem? Tannehill steadily eroded under Gase. Darnold steadily eroded under Gase.... there was different variables involved (Oline, experience, playmakers etc) so naturally that erosion looked different. I really don't want to defend Gase bc I don't like him but any metric you use Tannehill improved under Gase. Y/a, y/c, td:int ratio, comp %, QB Rating, Sacks taken and overall record. He just couldn't stay healthy and missed 24 of 48 games. The idea that Gase is responsible for ALL of Darnolds issues is asinine. Darnold is not equipped mentally to be a good nfl QB. He can not read a defense quick enough post snap and that is why he struggles with turnovers and misses the open WR and forces throws into double coverage or takes a sack. The perfect example is when he hurt his ribs. He has a slant wide open immediately that would've went for a big gain but he never saw him and held onto the ball then got sacked. That summarized his biggest issue in 1 play. He's not smart enough to be a good nfl QB. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freestater Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 If Sammy could play QB, we wouldnt have the 2nd pick in the draft right now. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 12 minutes ago, choon328 said: I really don't want to defend Gase bc I don't like him but any metric you use Tannehill improved under Gase. Y/a, y/c, td:int ratio, comp %, QB Rating, Sacks taken and overall record. He just couldn't stay healthy and missed 24 of 48 games. The idea that Gase is responsible for ALL of Darnolds issues is asinine. Darnold is not equipped mentally to be a good nfl QB. He can not read a defense quick enough post snap and that is why he struggles with turnovers and misses the open WR and forces throws into double coverage or takes a sack. The perfect example is when he hurt his ribs. He has a slant wide open immediately that would've went for a big gain but he never saw him and held onto the ball then got sacked. That summarized his biggest issue in 1 play. He's not smart enough to be a good nfl QB. tannehill was a good prospect out of college despite being a wr, he was drafted accordingly and put up good stats on miami. his bad years are still better than darnold's. gase or no gase, tannehill is better than darnold, both as a passer and as a runner. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillyjet Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 5 minutes ago, Augustiniak said: tannehill was a good prospect out of college despite being a wr, he was drafted accordingly and put up good stats on miami. his bad years are still better than darnold's. gase or no gase, tannehill is better than darnold, both as a passer and as a runner. But still goes back to whether you trade him, assuming you are taking Wilson. I see the example as whether he is worth a third round pick for us now to have him be a bridge or QB2 for a year, with the potential that a new system that is easier for him will bring out the best in him. My feeling is yes, you keep Darnold unless you receive a compensation that reflects the possibility that he could really blossom in this offense. I still think he is part of a trade-up in Round 1 (23rd and Darnold for 8 or 9), or a high 2nd round pick, or you don’t do it. To me, QB is unlike any other position in football. You can never have enough of them. I’ve seen enough QB2s come in after a QB1 injury in my life, and then blossom, to know that you keep them unless you are blown away. Darnold is not a malcontent. Him and Wilson will be fine in the QB room together. The leverage now is that we don’t have to trade him. Period. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QB1 Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 13 hours ago, Untouchable said: I don’t hold that against him Hell, Darnold is obviously on his way out but I still say that he was the best QB prospect to come out of college since Luck. I liked Darnold even more than I like Lawrence. I don’t know, QB is the hardest position to evaluate in all of team sports. I fully acknowledge that Darnold should bear a sizable amount of the blame for not living up to his potential, but the Jets definitely did him no favors. Between Bowles and Gase overseeing his development, prioritizing the defense above all else during his stint here, and Robby Anderson being the only guy even remotely resembling an offensive playmaker for 2 of his 3 years...the Jets sure as hell did him no favors. Hopefully Douglas can right the ship with Wilson and exponentially more attention paid to the offensive side of the ball. Hopefully... Don’t forget the massive cherries on the top the sh*t sandwich- mono and covid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 9 hours ago, varjet said: Jimmy went to a Super Bowl, and I at least thought they were more likely to draft a project. In the Jets case, it would be a former 3 pick competing against the 2 pick. I still like that option unless we could trade Darnold for a starter. If the 49ers are paying Jimmy G and the 3 pick, they are not competing. That is $35mm invested in the QB this season. That is a lot for them to compete. Look for Garoppolo to be traded or cut before the season opener when his $24.2M salary effectively becomes guaranteed. They're clearly looking at Mac Jones, arguably the most pro ready QB in the draft. If they think he is ready, they'll cut bait and save that money. That would put them in an excellent cap position going forward. Could be another reason Nick Mullens is still hovering around, he might still be the 49ers backup next year. As long as the Jets can get a decent return for Darnold, he'll also be traded. Unless, of course, the tide shifts and Carolina makes JD that offer he can't refuse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oatmeal Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, slats said: Look for Garoppolo to be traded or cut before the season opener when his $24.2M salary effectively becomes guaranteed. They're clearly looking at Mac Jones, arguably the most pro ready QB in the draft. If they think he is ready, they'll cut bait and save that money. That would put them in an excellent cap position going forward. Could be another reason Nick Mullens is still hovering around, he might still be the 49ers backup next year. As long as the Jets can get a decent return for Darnold, he'll also be traded. Unless, of course, the tide shifts and Carolina makes JD that offer he can't refuse. Idk what has to happen before some fans can accept the reality that Wilson is the pick. It’s amazing though because earlier in this process any rumblings of Sam staying were taken as the gospel even though the writing has been on the wall for this situation for a very long time. Teams don’t value picks over potential franchise QBs and the NYJ and much of the nfl view Wilson as a franchise QB. There will be no trade, that 9ers trade confirms that. ESPN even reported that Miami was looking to trade up for Wilson and the Jets wouldn’t budge. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post choon328 Posted March 30, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 30, 2021 26 minutes ago, Phillyjet said: But still goes back to whether you trade him, assuming you are taking Wilson. I see the example as whether he is worth a third round pick for us now to have him be a bridge or QB2 for a year, with the potential that a new system that is easier for him will bring out the best in him. My feeling is yes, you keep Darnold unless you receive a compensation that reflects the possibility that he could really blossom in this offense. I still think he is part of a trade-up in Round 1 (23rd and Darnold for 8 or 9), or a high 2nd round pick, or you don’t do it. To me, QB is unlike any other position in football. You can never have enough of them. I’ve seen enough QB2s come in after a QB1 injury in my life, and then blossom, to know that you keep them unless you are blown away. Darnold is not a malcontent. Him and Wilson will be fine in the QB room together. The leverage now is that we don’t have to trade him. Period. The only people who think Darnold is salvageable are on this board or else he would've been traded already. The 49ers gave up 3 1st round draft picks to take the 3rd best QB prospect over trading a 2 or 3 to the Jets for Darnold. The Redskins and Bears, who are in desperate need of a QB, gave Fitz and Dalton $10+ million on a 1 yr deal over trading a 2 or 3 for Darnold who is for all intents and purposes on a 1 yr $5 million deal after a trade and 10-15 years younger than them. If that doesn't tell you and everybody else all you need to know about how the league thinks of Darnold then I don't know what will. 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 5 minutes ago, choon328 said: The only people who think Darnold is salvageable are on this board or else he would've been traded already. The 49ers gave up 3 1st round draft picks to take the 3rd best QB prospect over trading a 2 or 3 to the Jets for Darnold. The Redskins and Bears, who are in desperate need of a QB, gave Fitz and Dalton $10+ million on a 1 yr deal over trading a 2 or 3 for Darnold who is for all intents and purposes on a 1 yr $5 million deal after a trade and 10-15 years younger than them. If that doesn't tell you and everybody else all you need to know about how the league thinks of Darnold then I don't know what will. Except we can only presume that Darnold was available for a 2nd or 3rd at those times. It's all a giant guess sandwich for now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 7 minutes ago, choon328 said: The only people who think Darnold is salvageable are on this board or else he would've been traded already. The 49ers gave up 3 1st round draft picks to take the 3rd best QB prospect over trading a 2 or 3 to the Jets for Darnold. The Redskins and Bears, who are in desperate need of a QB, gave Fitz and Dalton $10+ million on a 1 yr deal over trading a 2 or 3 for Darnold who is for all intents and purposes on a 1 yr $5 million deal after a trade and 10-15 years younger than them. If that doesn't tell you and everybody else all you need to know about how the league thinks of Darnold then I don't know what will. Increasingly, all the rumors about how much the jets new staff and douglas love darnold appear to be nothing more than posturing to get as much in a trade for him. All the talk about how much the nfl values darnold more than jet fans appears to be driven by draft pundits who can’t admit they’re wrong and nfl insiders who really aren’t insiders. At this point, wherever darnold gets traded, it’s at best to compete for a starting job in 2021 with the understanding that he probably doesn’t win the job. More likely he goes to a team like the Steelers who stash him and try to reprogram him for a late 3rd round pick. If you throw out the draft position you’re talking about Bryce petty here. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 45 minutes ago, oatmeal said: Idk what has to happen before some fans can accept the reality that Wilson is the pick. It’s amazing though because earlier in this process any rumblings of Sam staying were taken as the gospel even though the writing has been on the wall for this situation for a very long time. Teams don’t value picks over potential franchise QBs and the NYJ and much of the nfl view Wilson as a franchise QB. There will be no trade, that 9ers trade confirms that. ESPN even reported that Miami was looking to trade up for Wilson and the Jets wouldn’t budge. I do think it's gonna be the pick. I don't think it's etched in stone yet. That's all. I think Joe Douglas places a specific value on everything and that he has a value placed on that #2 pick vs. what he thinks/hopes/believes Zach Wilson will be in the NFL. Zach's fans keep calling him a franchise QB. He's not that yet. If Carolina comes to the conclusion that Watson is too toxic now and into the future and decides that now is the time to get their QB, they can put a package together. The Jets are thier only option. Oh, and why would the Jets ever trade with Miami to give them a shot at a QB? An NFC team, sure, not the hated fish. You wanna know the funny thing? If/when the Jets take Wilson, if he starts looking like the latest QB bust around here I'll still be in the kid's corner longer than you are. Obviously if they take him, I hope that won't be the case. I'm really not a big I told you so kinda guy. 38 minutes ago, choon328 said: The only people who think Darnold is salvageable are on this board or else he would've been traded already. The 49ers gave up 3 1st round draft picks to take the 3rd best QB prospect over trading a 2 or 3 to the Jets for Darnold. The Redskins and Bears, who are in desperate need of a QB, gave Fitz and Dalton $10+ million on a 1 yr deal over trading a 2 or 3 for Darnold who is for all intents and purposes on a 1 yr $5 million deal after a trade and 10-15 years younger than them. If that doesn't tell you and everybody else all you need to know about how the league thinks of Darnold then I don't know what will. Darnold's best bet will to go somewhere he can sit for awhile. Pittsburgh could be a nice option, but the logistics of his contract make it tough. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillyjet Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 1 hour ago, choon328 said: The only people who think Darnold is salvageable are on this board or else he would've been traded already. The 49ers gave up 3 1st round draft picks to take the 3rd best QB prospect over trading a 2 or 3 to the Jets for Darnold. The Redskins and Bears, who are in desperate need of a QB, gave Fitz and Dalton $10+ million on a 1 yr deal over trading a 2 or 3 for Darnold who is for all intents and purposes on a 1 yr $5 million deal after a trade and 10-15 years younger than them. If that doesn't tell you and everybody else all you need to know about how the league thinks of Darnold then I don't know what will. Not buying it... suddenly Darnold is not even QB2 material? The rest of the league did what it did because they didn’t want to give up a high pick for a 1 yr rental at QB2. Or at least not yet. We’ll see if he fetches a 2 or is used in a trade-up. If JD dumps him for a fourth round pick, I’ll take my comeuppance. But there are couple of teams out there, who, depending on the way the first round goes, may be more willing to roll the dice with Darnold for the equivalent of a two or a move down in round 1, than paying a high-first for Justin Fields. If not, I think we should keep him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tranquilo Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 1 hour ago, oatmeal said: Idk what has to happen before some fans can accept the reality that Wilson is the pick. It’s amazing though because earlier in this process any rumblings of Sam staying were taken as the gospel even though the writing has been on the wall for this situation for a very long time. Teams don’t value picks over potential franchise QBs and the NYJ and much of the nfl view Wilson as a franchise QB. There will be no trade, that 9ers trade confirms that. ESPN even reported that Miami was looking to trade up for Wilson and the Jets wouldn’t budge. Zach Wilson will be under center for a 3rd and 6 and some fans will still be like “man the Jets really got us fooled! I doubt he’s on the team next half!” 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oatmeal Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 52 minutes ago, slats said: I do think it's gonna be the pick. I don't think it's etched in stone yet. That's all. I think Joe Douglas places a specific value on everything and that he has a value placed on that #2 pick vs. what he thinks/hopes/believes Zach Wilson will be in the NFL. Zach's fans keep calling him a franchise QB. He's not that yet. If Carolina comes to the conclusion that Watson is too toxic now and into the future and decides that now is the time to get their QB, they can put a package together. The Jets are thier only option. Oh, and why would the Jets ever trade with Miami to give them a shot at a QB? An NFC team, sure, not the hated fish. You wanna know the funny thing? If/when the Jets take Wilson, if he starts looking like the latest QB bust around here I'll still be in the kid's corner longer than you are. Obviously if they take him, I hope that won't be the case. I'm really not a big I told you so kinda guy. Darnold's best bet will to go somewhere he can sit for awhile. Pittsburgh could be a nice option, but the logistics of his contract make it tough. always 1 million excuses with this franchise: 49ers trade: “the Jets didn’t want to move down that far” Miami trade with Miami having the 3rd overall selection: “they weren’t going to trade in division” ??? What about the Eagles piece to this equation? They wanted to move up but only for Wilson and they have a top 10 pick And truthfully I’m a Jets fan first but I will give the benefit of the doubt to rookie and second year players. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 4 minutes ago, oatmeal said: always 1 million excuses with this franchise: 49ers trade: “the Jets didn’t want to move down that far” Miami trade with Miami having the 3rd overall selection: “they weren’t going to trade in division” ??? What about the Eagles piece to this equation? They wanted to move up but only for Wilson and they have a top 10 pick And truthfully I’m a Jets fan first but I will give the benefit of the doubt to rookie and second year players. I already told you that I expect the Jets to select Wilson. I don't understand why you give a **** about my opinion on the matter. All the reporting around the Jets over the free agency period turned out to be garbage. There are no inside sources feeding the press. Everyone is just connecting dots. I don't know if the Eagles ever had interest in Wilson, all I know for sure is that when push came to shove they decided that trading down was their best option. It might still wind up being the best option for the Jets. Do I think it will be? Right now, nope. But we're still a month away from the draft, plenty of time for the Panthers to figure out what they want to do at QB this year while the Jets get their final medical reports on Zach. The Jets would never do a trade that size with Miami -or in the division- just like they don't do big deals with the Giants. Too much potential scrutiny. And for the same reason, those teams don't want to deal with the Jets. They can miss on the QB more safely if he goes to an NFC team than if he goes to Miami. That's something that would haunt them much more directly if they got it wrong. Like taking O'Brien over Marino. Or, now, Darnold over Allen. With Darnold's trade value dwindling and the price set for that #2 at no less than three firsts and a second, all I'm saying is that it's not a done deal. Sorry if that bothers you. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choon328 Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 34 minutes ago, Phillyjet said: Not buying it... suddenly Darnold is not even QB2 material? The rest of the league did what it did because they didn’t want to give up a high pick for a 1 yr rental at QB2. Or at least not yet. We’ll see if he fetches a 2 or is used in a trade-up. If JD dumps him for a fourth round pick, I’ll take my comeuppance. But there are couple of teams out there, who, depending on the way the first round goes, may be more willing to roll the dice with Darnold for the equivalent of a two or a move down in round 1, than paying a high-first for Justin Fields. If not, I think we should keep him. It's just not good business to keep an asset that you know will leave for nothing when you could have gotten something for him. The comp pick is not a factor bc the Jets will have to spend money every offseason and you don't get a comp pick for a player who gets signed to be a backup qb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 7 minutes ago, choon328 said: It's just not good business to keep an asset that you know will leave for nothing when you could have gotten something for him. The comp pick is not a factor bc the Jets will have to spend money every offseason and you don't get a comp pick for a player who gets signed to be a backup qb Even if the Jets worked the comp pick game, it's doubtful that Darnold would sign a contract lucrative enough to warrant anything more than a fourth or fifth rounder. Just about anything they can get now would be better than the 140th pick of the 2022 draft. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSteve Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 20 hours ago, y2k8 said: Peter King thinks he thinks you couldn't care less. Why is everybody so unhappy in this thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 3 hours ago, choon328 said: I really don't want to defend Gase bc I don't like him but any metric you use Tannehill improved under Gase. Y/a, y/c, td:int ratio, comp %, QB Rating, Sacks taken and overall record. He just couldn't stay healthy and missed 24 of 48 games. The idea that Gase is responsible for ALL of Darnolds issues is asinine. Darnold is not equipped mentally to be a good nfl QB. He can not read a defense quick enough post snap and that is why he struggles with turnovers and misses the open WR and forces throws into double coverage or takes a sack. The perfect example is when he hurt his ribs. He has a slant wide open immediately that would've went for a big gain but he never saw him and held onto the ball then got sacked. That summarized his biggest issue in 1 play. He's not smart enough to be a good nfl QB. Gase had awful offense in miami and got worse each year culminating in the disasterous two year with the jets. He did so well with Tannehill the phins could not wait to toss him over board and he became a vastly better Qb in Tennessee. Gases' play calling offensive and play design and use of players stunk. So now over the last few days we have heard that our bad oline and our bad coach were both Darnolds fault. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 If you have a price in mind for a player via trade and even if you over value that player at times it is better to stick to your guns and get nothing instead of caving in to demands. Once your gm gets a rep for being a soft touch you are doomed. There is no reason to trade Darnold if you are not getting a palatable offer. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y2k8 Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 16 minutes ago, CanadaSteve said: Why is everybody so unhappy in this thread? I'm not sure. But I know I laughed when I typed it. Peter King is the worst. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mart Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 A few minutes into this. So far per Cimini. He knows SF did get wind the #2 is not for sale right now...right now As Mogglez and FG guy have said. By talking to people real close to Robert Saleh that know him well, RS and LaFluer both are pro-Darnold and feel they can make it work with Darnold w/new CS, scheme etc...RS really likes Darnold. He’s not anti-Wilson. When all is said and done Cimini feels Jets will take Wilson and trade Darnold for a 2nd or 3rd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 18 minutes ago, CanadaSteve said: Why is everybody so unhappy in this thread? Says the guy from the country where pot is legal everywhere. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 Just now, C Mart said: A few minutes into this. So far per Cimini. He knows SF did get wind the #2 is not for sale right now...right now As Mogg and FG guy has said. By talking to people real close to Robert Saleh that know him well, RS and LaFluer both are pro-Darnold and feel they can make it work with Darnold w/new CS, scheme etc...RS really likes Darnold. He’s not anti-Wilson. Objectively, nothing wrong with drafting one and letting them fight it out. If people could park their awkward man-crush on Wilson for a moment, and stop spouting the idiotic tropes that two QBs = zero QBs, it's actually not a terrible thing. 1) Darnold fails, Wilson plays and we're no worse off except we miss on a possible 2nd/3rd round pick. 2) Darnold succeeds, plays this year, we tag-and-trade him next year for more than we could have gotten now. 3) Darnold pulls a Josh Allen, we trade either one and have a massive bounty of picks as a result. 4) Darnold succeeds and Wilson fails, we're glad we hung onto Darnold 5) Both fail. We play the SOJ card and talk about who the top QB is next year. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 1 hour ago, slats said: I do think it's gonna be the pick. I don't think it's etched in stone yet. That's all. I think Joe Douglas places a specific value on everything and that he has a value placed on that #2 pick vs. what he thinks/hopes/believes Zach Wilson will be in the NFL. Zach's fans keep calling him a franchise QB. He's not that yet. If Carolina comes to the conclusion that Watson is too toxic now and into the future and decides that now is the time to get their QB, they can put a package together. The Jets are thier only option. Oh, and why would the Jets ever trade with Miami to give them a shot at a QB? An NFC team, sure, not the hated fish. You wanna know the funny thing? If/when the Jets take Wilson, if he starts looking like the latest QB bust around here I'll still be in the kid's corner longer than you are. Obviously if they take him, I hope that won't be the case. I'm really not a big I told you so kinda guy. Darnold's best bet will to go somewhere he can sit for awhile. Pittsburgh could be a nice option, but the logistics of his contract make it tough. JD passed on the SF haul in essence. I believe that will last weeks events the draft essentially starts at 4 now and that is where teams considering a trade up will want to go. As an example either Lance or Fields will be there at #5, Carolina can move from 8 to 5 for a second round pick, maybe needing to add another pic just because it is going up for a QB. Whereas to get #2 they need to go like 3 firsts and a second. So 2 additional firsts over trading to #5. Unless Carolina wants Wilson for any cost there is essentially no chance they trade up. Once SF guaranteed that #3 was QB and mostly Jones basically all of JDs leverage for the #2 pick went away for anyone other than Wilson and the price is prohibitive. JD had to have been aware of what the 49ers were considering and he also had to know it basically locked us into Wilson at 2. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mart Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 Peter Schrager @PSchrags Ohio State Pro Day today. Jets GM Joe Douglas, ass't GM Rex Hogan, and OC Mike LaFleur will be representing the Jets. Wouldn’t read anything into Robert Saleh not making the trip to Columbus; his wife is due to give birth to their seventh child any day now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayRay Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 21 hours ago, Jetsbb said: As the facts bear out it is becoming very clear that what is driving this decision is Joe Douglas philosophy that the only player he will not take calls on is a franchise QB. This was never a mathematical equation weighing both sides of the compensation as @football guyhas been claiming. Once Joe determined he was in love with Wilson and that he is a franchise guy that was the end of it. Albert Breer said It became clear to the 49ers when they were discussing Darnold with the Jets that the 2nd pick was off the table. Joe is just waiting to check those boxes of his physical and then Darnold and only Darnold not the 2nd pick will be up for sale. Agree with this. Joe Douglas made it crystal clear at his introductory press conference that he views the QB position as the most important position on the team -- even more important than building up the offensive and defensive lines. He sees Wilson as a franchise QB and he's going to draft him. This calculus that @football guykeeps throwing out there about Douglas still weighing trading the second pick -- it's bullsh*t. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 6 minutes ago, C Mart said: Peter Schrager @PSchrags Ohio State Pro Day today. Jets GM Joe Douglas, ass't GM Rex Hogan, and OC Mike LaFleur will be representing the Jets. Wouldn’t read anything into Robert Saleh not making the trip to Columbus; his wife is due to give birth to their seventh child any day now. Lame excuse with Saleh lol. Wife is due any day but 3 days ago was fine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTJetsFan Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 3 hours ago, choon328 said: The only people who think Darnold is salvageable are on this board or else he would've been traded already. The 49ers gave up 3 1st round draft picks to take the 3rd best QB prospect over trading a 2 or 3 to the Jets for Darnold. The Redskins and Bears, who are in desperate need of a QB, gave Fitz and Dalton $10+ million on a 1 yr deal over trading a 2 or 3 for Darnold who is for all intents and purposes on a 1 yr $5 million deal after a trade and 10-15 years younger than them. If that doesn't tell you and everybody else all you need to know about how the league thinks of Darnold then I don't know what will. That is not true. They gave up 2 1st round picks (n 2022 & 2023) to swap places with Miami. SF did not lose a 1st round pick in 2021. They went from 12 to 3. The only asset they gave up in 2021 in this deal was a 3rd round compensatory pick. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choon328 Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Beerfish said: Gase had awful offense in miami and got worse each year culminating in the disasterous two year with the jets. He did so well with Tannehill the phins could not wait to toss him over board and he became a vastly better Qb in Tennessee. Gases' play calling offensive and play design and use of players stunk. So now over the last few days we have heard that our bad oline and our bad coach were both Darnolds fault. That wasn't the point I was trying to make. The point was that Tannehill improved under Gase, statistically. What held Tannehill back was his injuries, not Gase. If Tannehill played all 48 games under Gase hes probably still the QB there and Gase is probably still the HC. You're also conveniently leaving out that Gase played with a backup QB for 24 of his 48 games. That may have something to do with his poor offensive rankings as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Slick Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 17 hours ago, T0mShane said: Gase was 14-11 in Miami with Tannehill as his starting QB. But you have to subtract four the wins they played against the Jets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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