talisaynon Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 I just want the jets to take him at 2 so berman can reprise “Sp New York New York becomes tight end tight end” with half this forum sobbing (including me) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 Would have been sweet if we had a QB. There will be other tight ends. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 3 hours ago, bitonti said: the ice cream is the most important part of the ice cream sundae it still needs a bowl or a cone or something to like support it or whatever otherwise you're just eating ice cream off the floor So? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSteve Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 3 hours ago, HighPitch said: Cool story bro. can pitts play qb? Well, considering it didn't matter help Darnold....you know, the QB to end our QB woes! If you don't have any talent, it doesn't matter. Might be time to take a different approach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogerVick1980 Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Philc1 said: Can Zach Wilson stay healthy in the nfl or play well against Coastal Carolina? PhilC1 on a message board in 84 discussing the QBs in the draft “That Todd Blackledge won a national title and played great against great competition thats my guy. Elway went 4-7 what a bum..I’ll pass” 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 1 hour ago, RogerVick1980 said: PhilC1 on a message board in 84 discussing the QBs in the draft “That Todd Blackledge won a national title and played great against great competition thats my guy. Elway went 4-7 what a bum..I’ll pass” Did Todd Blackledge tear labrums in both shoulders and break his thumb in his throwing hand by age 21? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 Can you imagine SF grabbing Pitts and running double formations w/ him and Kittle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K_O_Brien Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 Would the Pitts-guys give up #34 and a 2002 first to take him? I think that's the only realistic scenario that might work as a trade-up option? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, K_O_Brien said: Would the Pitts-guys give up #34 and a 2002 first to take him? I think that's the only realistic scenario that might work as a trade-up option? I don’t think teams who have QBs would give up the chance to take him or Chase. Right now it’s likely Lawrence, Wilson, Jones, Pitts, Chase imo. Unless Atalanta is thinking Trey Lance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K_O_Brien Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Matt39 said: I don’t think teams who have QBs would give up the chance to take him or Chase. Right now it’s likely Lawrence, Wilson, Jones, Chase, Pitts Yeah you are probably right. You'd have to figure one of Atlanta/Cincinnati/Miami would take him, and Miami wouldn't trade with us anyway. The only realistic shot would be if he lasts to 7 and Detroit, who have Hockenson. For that to happen, someone would have to trade with Atlanta for a QB, Cincinnati take Sewell and Miami take Chase. A lot of stars would need to align on draft night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianaJet Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 Yeah...but the question is...will he ever play a full NFL season?!?!?!?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 17 minutes ago, K_O_Brien said: Yeah you are probably right. You'd have to figure one of Atlanta/Cincinnati/Miami would take him, and Miami wouldn't trade with us anyway. The only realistic shot would be if he lasts to 7 and Detroit, who have Hockenson. For that to happen, someone would have to trade with Atlanta for a QB, Cincinnati take Sewell and Miami take Chase. A lot of stars would need to align on draft night. If Atlanta wants to try still with Ryan, he makes sense there. If Julio is healthy, that is a very tough duo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 5 minutes ago, chirorob said: If Atlanta wants to try still with Ryan, he makes sense there. If Julio is healthy, that is a very tough duo. They have Ridley already. I think they’d probably take Pitts over Chase. But idk it’s probably whoever they graded higher. These types of touchdown scoring prospects will always go ahead of the offensive lineman. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 3 hours ago, Matt39 said: They have Ridley already. I think they’d probably take Pitts over Chase. But idk it’s probably whoever they graded higher. These types of touchdown scoring prospects will always go ahead of the offensive lineman. That is a deadly trio of receivers to deal with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 4 hours ago, peebag said: Can you imagine SF grabbing Pitts and running double formations w/ him and Kittle? Kittle is always hurt and is going to continue to miss lots of time. I wouldn’t be overly shocked if they changed their minds went Pitts and stuck with Garropolo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSteve Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 21 hours ago, RogerVick1980 said: Can we stop the narrative that he looked like Darnold in the SB. Mahomes had about three or four passes while falling down and from crazy angles that were super human that his WR’s dropped that could have been TD’s or big plays.. Nothing about it resembled Darnold except for sub par stats and a loss Sorry, how well did the Chiefs offense do? That's right....not well. Last time I checked, Mahomes didn't get the Super Bowl for a couple of crazy angled super human throws. They lost. And that's what happens when a great QB has sub-level talent around him. He loses. So, Sam Darnold didn't have a chance, considering he isn't as good as Mahomes, and the talent he was surrounded with for three years was barely above college level. It really is mind-boggling that this is so hard to understand. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogerVick1980 Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 11 minutes ago, CanadaSteve said: Sorry, how well did the Chiefs offense do? That's right....not well. Last time I checked, Mahomes didn't get the Super Bowl for a couple of crazy angled super human throws. They lost. And that's what happens when a great QB has sub-level talent around him. He loses. So, Sam Darnold didn't have a chance, considering he isn't as good as Mahomes, and the talent he was surrounded with for three years was barely above college level. It really is mind-boggling that this is so hard to understand. Its possible Darnold was in a bad situation and also stinks both things can be true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSteve Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 50 minutes ago, RogerVick1980 said: Its possible Darnold was in a bad situation and also stinks both things can be true It is VERY possible. But you can never know if the team stays bad. This is the point that has been suggested by a few on this site that I have personally warmed to: What if you actually build a team first, THEN go out and get one of those decent QB's. Every team keeps trying and trying to get one of the 5 elite QB's that completely change the game. Yet, there are 50 QB's that bust before a top 5 is found. Meanwhile, the league has 32 teams. But EVERYONE seems to think that they can find their QB in the first three picks, and they will miraculously turn into Tom Brady with absolutely zero talent around them. Well, maybe it truly is time to rethink how to build a football team. The time of finding one of the top three QB's and putting a decent team around them is over. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYJ1 Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 On 3/31/2021 at 2:49 PM, jetswinbaby! said: Sounds great... Problem is he can't catch it if the QB can't get the ball to him... Darnold can if you give him a decent supporting cast 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudcat22 Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 Just trade a 5th or 6th rounder to Philly for Ertz. Will solve our TE problem for a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 21 hours ago, Philc1 said: So Trevor Lawrence is dropping to 2? Hopefully not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogerVick1980 Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 53 minutes ago, CanadaSteve said: It is VERY possible. But you can never know if the team stays bad. This is the point that has been suggested by a few on this site that I have personally warmed to: What if you actually build a team first, THEN go out and get one of those decent QB's. Every team keeps trying and trying to get one of the 5 elite QB's that completely change the game. Yet, there are 50 QB's that bust before a top 5 is found. Meanwhile, the league has 32 teams. But EVERYONE seems to think that they can find their QB in the first three picks, and they will miraculously turn into Tom Brady with absolutely zero talent around them. Well, maybe it truly is time to rethink how to build a football team. The time of finding one of the top three QB's and putting a decent team around them is over. In an era where Qb is more important then ever and a great one can hide flaws on your team ie Brady the last few titles with New England I don’t think teams are gonna stop their chase l for an elite one and try to build around an average one. Look at who’s winning the SB’s the elite ones.. The Niners got to a SB and still realize how hard it is to win a sB with an average QB and are already looking to upgrade because they realize how important the position is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 1 hour ago, CanadaSteve said: It is VERY possible. But you can never know if the team stays bad. This is the point that has been suggested by a few on this site that I have personally warmed to: What if you actually build a team first, THEN go out and get one of those decent QB's. Every team keeps trying and trying to get one of the 5 elite QB's that completely change the game. Yet, there are 50 QB's that bust before a top 5 is found. Meanwhile, the league has 32 teams. But EVERYONE seems to think that they can find their QB in the first three picks, and they will miraculously turn into Tom Brady with absolutely zero talent around them. Well, maybe it truly is time to rethink how to build a football team. The time of finding one of the top three QB's and putting a decent team around them is over. Agreed, especially when the league is morphing at QB more and more to where you can get a good vet QB under the right situation. In the past it was almost unheard of for some of the names moved or tossed around to become available. Also, teams move on from their drafted Qbs earlier all the time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 7 minutes ago, RogerVick1980 said: In an era where Qb is more important then ever and a great one can hide flaws on your team ie Brady the last few titles with New England I don’t think teams are gonna stop their chase l for an elite one and try to build around an average one. Look at who’s winning the SB’s the elite ones.. The Niners got to a SB and still realize how hard it is to win a sB with an average QB and are already looking to upgrade because they realize how important the position is. Tampa won theirs because they had already built the team and added the QB last. Most of KC was built before mahommes got there. The issue at QB is that you makes thing vastly easier to succeed even with a medium QB if the team is built. If team talent is bad the QB has almost no chance. Rams have a built team ... add Stafford Niners are a built team ...add a guy in this draft. The most success the Jets have had in like 50 years was with highly suspect Qb (Sanchez) and a built team. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 20 hours ago, RogerVick1980 said: PhilC1 on a message board in 84 discussing the QBs in the draft “That Todd Blackledge won a national title and played great against great competition thats my guy. Elway went 4-7 what a bum..I’ll pass” We drafted Todd Blackledge three years ago. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogerVick1980 Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 26 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Tampa won theirs because they had already built the team and added the QB last. Most of KC was built before mahommes got there. The issue at QB is that you makes thing vastly easier to succeed even with a medium QB if the team is built. If team talent is bad the QB has almost no chance. Rams have a built team ... add Stafford Niners are a built team ...add a guy in this draft. The most success the Jets have had in like 50 years was with highly suspect Qb (Sanchez) and a built team. But with an elite Qb the rest of the team doesn’t have to be nearly as perfects as if you have say a Jimmy G.. it’s a hard cap league so every team even the team that wins that win a SB has flaws which is why an elite QB is more important then ever. I just don’t think in today’s age you can pass up a guy in the draft IF you think he can be your franchise QB.. it will set your franchise back decades Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSteve Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 1 hour ago, RogerVick1980 said: In an era where Qb is more important then ever and a great one can hide flaws on your team ie Brady the last few titles with New England I don’t think teams are gonna stop their chase l for an elite one and try to build around an average one. Look at who’s winning the SB’s the elite ones.. The Niners got to a SB and still realize how hard it is to win a sB with an average QB and are already looking to upgrade because they realize how important the position is. Yup, and there is 3-5 of them. And teams stay consistently bad because if you don't have one, you go nowhere. You can't expect a Sam Darnold, or a Kyle Murray, or a Joe Burrow, or a Baker Mayfield, or a Josh Allen, or a Jared Goff, or a Jameis Winston, or a Sam Bradford, or pick anyone of the dozen other QB's expected to come into a bad team, because lets face it....that is where most of them go, and carry a team to glory. It doesn't happen. Tom Brady the anomaly aside, the elite QB's have beat the non-elite QB's by about a 60/40 margin these past two decades. Most of the elite ones won later in their careers; one winning because of the team and not him (Manning in Denver). Maybe it's time to stop focusing on the QB so much and build a full team. I mean, we went further with a better team and a mediocre QB (Mark Sanchez) than we did with a really bad team and one of the better QB prospects the past 5 years (Darnold). Perhaps its time to stop presuming that you can suck at drafting for a decade and then LO AND BEHOLD! We get the best QB in the draft class and he does nothing....SHOCKING! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peekskill68 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 2 hours ago, Beerfish said: Tampa won theirs because they had already built the team and added the QB last. Most of KC was built before mahommes got there. The issue at QB is that you makes thing vastly easier to succeed even with a medium QB if the team is built. If team talent is bad the QB has almost no chance. Rams have a built team ... add Stafford Niners are a built team ...add a guy in this draft. The most success the Jets have had in like 50 years was with highly suspect Qb (Sanchez) and a built team. Agree with you, but IMO the team Vinny took into Denver in 98 would have beaten the team Sanchez led into Pittsburgh in 2010 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 23 hours ago, Dunnie said: Hopefully not. Pretty soon I’ll be hearing Zach Wilson walks on water Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 23 hours ago, NYJ1 said: Darnold can if you give him a decent supporting cast Wilson with the trash supporting cast is winning the super bowl 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 On 3/31/2021 at 7:11 PM, Philc1 said: Can Zach Wilson stay healthy in the nfl or play well against Coastal Carolina? Yes There, you happy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 16 minutes ago, Philc1 said: Pretty soon I’ll be hearing Zach Wilson walks on water Pretty soon you'll say something that is funny or makes sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tranquilo Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 16 minutes ago, Philc1 said: Wilson with the trash supporting cast is winning the super bowl Did Zach Wilson bang your wife or something 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldrolloff Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 Put me down for trading 23 and our next years one to get Pitts. Be it Atlanta lions panthers or broncos 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 Put me down for trading 23 and our next years one to get Pitts. Be it Atlanta lions panthers or broncos I too would support thisSent from my SM-G950U1 using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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