All Page 1 Zach Wilson Threads: MERGED

[C Mart 4,650]

1 hour ago, JetBlue said:

Did you actually watch some of the passes he made in those videos?  I mean seriously, did you watch them?  Because if you did you would stop with that line of reasoning because there are not too many quarterbacks who can make those throws.  I don't care who he is playing against.  Also the counter argument is wait until he has some real NFL receivers to work with.  I mean really don't know what some of you guys are looking at.  This kid could be a bust because nothing is guaranteed, there also things he will need to work on because it is true that comp on the next level will be a lot tougher.  Having said all of that, his arm talent, decision making, mobility and accuracy IS next level.   Joe Flacco, Ben Rothlisberger, Josh Allen and countless other quarterbacks came from schools who played against "inferior competition" compared to many other quarterbacks but that didn't stop them from becoming top quarterbacks in the league and it won't stop Wilson either. 

Big 12 isn’t know for defense either. It was actually a knock against Mahomes leading up to the draft. 

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1 hour ago, section314 said:

Throw in Purdue, Illinois, Michigan State and Nebraska and it will even things out.

Wait is this helping or hurting your argument regarding NFL caliber defenses

[Peace Frog 4,590]

With Wilson’s arm, every blade of grass in the field will need to be defended. 

He can throw it anywhere, anytime, from any platform. 

But those heels clicks...

[C Mart 4,650]

51 minutes ago, FTL Jet Fan said:

These are all well and good but can he handle the pressure of playing in NY and being under constant scrutiny. If not none of these arguments matter.

 

Exactly!  It’s not talked about enough. There is no market tougher to play in than the NY market because of the media. 

You can trash Darnold and his results all you want but he couldn’t have handled himself  any better than the past 3 years especially during this past seasons disaster. Unlike Gase and Adams the past couple of years he fulfilled his media responsibilities every week. 

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40 minutes ago, Samtorobby47 said:

Hey I’m all for giving your guy a chance. Especially with the rules. Bound to get PI. 
But there’s giving a chance and being stupid. We’ll see. 

And the play you specifically called out isn’t stupid unless he under throws it....

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1 hour ago, QB1 said:

So by that logic Joe Burrow shouldn’t have been drafted 

Other than one of those guys dominating the SEC and the other guy getting throttled by Coastal Carolina, this would be a good comparison 

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1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

Other than one of those guys dominating the SEC and the other guy getting throttled by Coastal Carolina, this would be a good comparison 

‘Throttled”
 

it’s almost like you didn’t watch a second of that game 

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1 minute ago, Morrissey said:

‘Throttled”
 

it’s almost like you didn’t watch a second of that game 

I haven’t gotten around to my film study of Coastal Carolina, I will admit

[RedBeardedSavage 3,051]

Certainly was the start of my reconsideration of the little Mormon fella;

 

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8 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I haven’t gotten around to my film study of Coastal Carolina, I will admit

BYU had 2 days to plan for Coastal Carolina they weren't informed they were playing them.. After reading how negative you were on Watson going into the draft back then it's a good sign for Wilson..

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1 hour ago, JetBlue said:

I don't care who he is playing against. 

Well, at least we've identified your evaluation problem.

Be assured, you WILL care about who he's playing against at the NFL level.

Because NFL DB's can actually cover.

The future Amazon delivery truck drivers at DB for North Alabama.....not so much.

Even a casual perusal shows that Wilsons receivers were often 3-5 or more yards open vs. their pathetic opponents DB's

That simply isn't going to happen at the NFL level.

I'd say that no QB prospect in this draft will have a biggest challenge to overcome that Wilson does going from North Alabama DB's or NFL DB's.

 

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1 hour ago, dbatesman said:

I like that the Jets haven’t even drafted this guy yet but JN already has a camp who hates his guts and a camp who shamelessly capes for him 

This is 100% accurate and amazing.

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32 minutes ago, Morrissey said:

Wait is this helping or hurting your argument regarding NFL caliber defenses

Was just adding to @kdels62 post defending Wilson. Pointing out that the Big 10 has a bunch of sh*tty defenses, all of whom a certain QB in the discussion got to pad his stats against.

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2 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Jets fans talking themselves into the greatness of a QB prospect who was on the verge of being a college backup six months ago is priceless

Is it bad that I’m already kinda looking forward to 2 years from now when the Wilson tribe is trying to hype up the next guy to us??

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The talent argument is so funny because Ohio State had better talent than every single team they played last year except Alabama —and Alabama destroyed them in a game where Justin Fields was totally ineffective.

Clemson had better talent than every single team they played last year except Ohio State — and Ohio State destroyed them in a game wheee Lawrence was ineffective.

BYU wasn’t beating SEC teams — but given they played teams like Boise State and Houston they were competing against and beating teams who recruit better than they do. Like yeah, those guys aren’t NFL defenders, but BYU didn’t have NFL receivers creating separation against those guys.

No one knows how Wilson will turn out but the “didn’t play anyone” argument is so silly. It’s a projection — no group of 5 QB “played anyone.” Didn't really make a difference for those guys than panned out in the NFL did it?

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The people who say "OMG, he's playing against a bunch of cashiers and truck drivers" oddly dismiss the fact that he's THROWING to a bunch of cashiers and truck drivers.

Even seeing the passes he misses on, I think of him making the same throw to Denzel Mims or Corey Davis and I can see why people are projecting him to the Jets at 2.

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Zach Wilson is going to have weapons with the Jets and will be awesome. Think about our WRs compared to BYU's receivers. Wilson will put up monster numbers. Can't wait to draft this kid.

[playtowinthegame 6,505]

Ask yourself, how do you think Zach Wilson looks against Alabama, Ohio St., or even the Clemson team from this past season?

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2 hours ago, JETSY14 said:

What kind of statement is that... Byu's best opponent was coastal Carolina. Look at who Clemson and Ohio State played

Coastal Carolina was way better this past season than most of the opponents those 2 schools played. Just lazy analysis

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1 minute ago, playtowinthegame said:

Ask yourself, how do you think Zach Wilson looks against Alabama, Ohio St., or even the Clemson team from this past season?

Does he get to play alongside Alabama, Ohio State, or Clemson level talent?

Or are we saying it's BYU v Alabama, which is basically Hawkeye vs Thanos. 

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2 hours ago, T0mShane said:

What are the chances that Wilson will put up Watson’s numbers? 

What's your point? I was all for Watson but what exactly do you want the Jets to do in the current situation hes in?

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11 minutes ago, AFJF said:

The people who say "OMG, he's playing against a bunch of cashiers and truck drivers" oddly dismiss the fact that he's THROWING to a bunch of cashiers and truck drivers.

Even seeing the passes he misses on, I think of him making the same throw to Denzel Mims or Corey Davis and I can see why people are projecting him to the Jets at 2.

Some of his best 'wow' throws are incompletions. Dax Milne looks decent but the rest of the receivers, not so much. 

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21 minutes ago, GangGreened said:

Is it bad that I’m already kinda looking forward to 2 years from now when the Wilson tribe is trying to hype up the next guy to us??

And if Wilson comes in and sucks then 2 years is perfect for moving on and accepting the sunk cost. Wilson (and Fields) are still worth the pick.

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2 hours ago, kdels62 said:

Yes. Look at them. Any of them close to Clemson or OSU talent wise? 

Could a super team made up of Michigan State, Rutgers, Nebraska, Penn State players match up to Ohio State? 

Clemson is light years ahead of the ACC except Notre Dame. 

There’s a reason why Wilson threw more passes in tight coverage than the other QBs.

Kind of a silly post.  Both players have historic performances vs power house programs.  And sure maybe the teams they played weren’t as good as them each week but they were playing guys we are talking about in the draft forum who will be playing on Sunday. 
Honest question, did Wilson face a single player who going to be drafted?

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1 hour ago, AFJF said:

Funny thing is, every time he throws it "up for grabs", one of his receivers grabs it.  Could it be that he's putting the ball in a spot where only his guy can get it?  A trait Jets fans been screaming for their quarterback to have for years now?

No don't be silly, he played nobody. If he was wearing an Ohio st helmet and was playing against a world beater such as Purdue or Nebraska, those pin point accurate ropes would have been ducks taken for 6 the other way

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52 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Other than one of those guys dominating the SEC and the other guy getting throttled by Coastal Carolina, this would be a good comparison 

LSU fielded an NFL team that year... 

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33 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Well, at least we've identified your evaluation problem.

Be assured, you WILL care about who he's playing against at the NFL level.

Because NFL DB's can actually cover.

The future Amazon delivery truck drivers at DB for North Alabama.....not so much.

Even a casual perusal shows that Wilsons receivers were often 3-5 or more yards open vs. their pathetic opponents DB's

That simply isn't going to happen at the NFL level.

I'd say that no QB prospect in this draft will have a biggest challenge to overcome that Wilson does going from North Alabama DB's or NFL DB's.

 

The idea that Wilson’s receivers were more open than OSUs or Clemsons is laughable 

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24 minutes ago, playtowinthegame said:

Ask yourself, how do you think Zach Wilson looks against Alabama, Ohio St., or even the Clemson team from this past season?

With BYU? The game wouldn’t be watchable and you would learn literally nothing about Wilson’s ability. Now Ask yourself this, how do you think Wilson would look if he was QB on one of those teams? 

[New York Mick 95,643]

Fcksake could your post be any longer. 

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42 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Well, at least we've identified your evaluation problem.

Be assured, you WILL care about who he's playing against at the NFL level.

Because NFL DB's can actually cover.

The future Amazon delivery truck drivers at DB for North Alabama.....not so much.

Even a casual perusal shows that Wilsons receivers were often 3-5 or more yards open vs. their pathetic opponents DB's

That simply isn't going to happen at the NFL level.

I'd say that no QB prospect in this draft will have a biggest challenge to overcome that Wilson does going from North Alabama DB's or NFL DB's.

 

He’s also going from BYU WRers to NFL WRers. Just look at CC tape above. There’s 3-4 big drops from his wide outs.

Why are people pretending like coming from a school like BYU is like landing on Mars? There’s a long list of good QBs from small schools.

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1 hour ago, C Mart said:

Big 12 isn’t know for defense either. It was actually a knock against Mahomes leading up to the draft. 

And Baker.

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5 minutes ago, Morrissey said:

With BYU? The game wouldn’t be watchable and you would learn literally nothing about Wilson’s ability. Now Ask yourself this, how do you think Wilson would look if he was QB on one of those teams? 

Leave Clemson and TL out of this for a moment. Ask the OSU or Alabama WR's and TE's who they'd rather have played with.

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11 minutes ago, QB1 said:

The idea that Wilson’s receivers were more open than OSUs or Clemsons is laughable 

Cool story Nico.

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 "there are not too many quarterbacks who can make those throws.  I don't care who he is playing against."  (on edit) this is the Jet Blue quote I wanted shown

I saw the same thing when I watched Wilson's highlight reel that you did JetBlue. I saw pinpoint accuracy from a QB putting the ball in places that give only the receiver the best chance to make the catch and not the defender