Popular Post Mogglez Posted April 2, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, bitonti said: I just saw a ranking from a colleague (paid site) that had Wilson as QB6 legit wonder what everyone else is looking at zach wilson has like a half dozen obvious fatal flaws and everyone says he's amazing Just say you paid for Matt Waldman’s RSP and be done with it. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Augustiniak said: nope. 2 key members of the 49ers coaching staff is now running the jets and young is probably telling the wilsons that zach will be in good hands there despite how darnold turned out. I would suggest listening to the Young interview. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QB1 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 5 minutes ago, bitonti said: I just saw a ranking from a colleague (paid site) that had Wilson as QB6 legit wonder what everyone else is looking at zach wilson has like a half dozen obvious fatal flaws and everyone says he's amazing 1. His face 2. he’s rich 3. he’s a Mormon 4. Not a captain 5. has a mom and a dad 6. Had an injury once 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QB1 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, T0mShane said: I would suggest listening to the Young interview. I would suggest the same to you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, Mogglez said: Just say you paid for Matt Waldman’s RSP and be done with it. Waldman and I are both on the FBG staff so yes he's a collegue and yes I paid for his work because I support small journalists he has QB1 TL QB 2 Trey Lance QB 3 Mac Jones QB 4 Justin Fields QB 5 Davis Mills and QB 6 Zach Wilson 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QB1 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 1 minute ago, bitonti said: Waldman and I are both on the FBG staff so yes he's a collegue and yes I paid for his work because I support small journalists he has QB1 TL QB 2 Trey Lance QB 3 Mac Jones QB 4 Justin Fields QB 5 Davis Mills and QB 6 Zach Wilson Why should anyone care what this guy has to say? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 1 minute ago, QB1 said: Why should anyone care what this guy has to say? he puts alot of work into the RSP. It's like 1000 pages every year He's got stats on top of stats like off platform throws with pressure and without im not going to give away his efforts but talk about show your work, the dude shows his work 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 9 minutes ago, BroadwayRay said: Let me put it more simply: You’re saying JD‘a professed love for Wilson is a calculated way to yield trade offers. I say you’re wrong: He genuinely views Wilson as a franchise QB. I'm saying that whether he loves him or not, he's got a price on that pick and it's up to someone to pay it or he'll just take Wilson which, again, is what I expect to happen. But thanks for putting it more simply, that really helped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QB1 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, bitonti said: he puts alot of work into the RSP. It's like 1000 pages every year He's got stats on top of stats like off platform throws with pressure and without im not going to give away his efforts but talk about show your work, the dude shows his work has he ever played football? Has be been employed by a college or professional team? Is he a former scout? Does he have any real world experience? I am honestly asking because he comes off as a con man with a complicated “method” and a paid site. Why can’t you post his rankings and analysis? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 1 minute ago, QB1 said: has he ever played football? Does he even lift bro 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tranquilo Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 27 minutes ago, T0mShane said: I feel like QBs are starting to pick where they want to play and it’s going to be more prevalent given how much it costs to keep a QB and how much of a career-killer it is for these guys to end up in bad situations. Wilson’s people wouldn’t be demanding a trade to a team with the 20th pick, they’d be nudging themselves down one spot. Not unreasonable at all. As for the second part, I can’t imagine that appealing to anyone. You’d rather go to a stacked team, appear in the playoffs consistently, and then lavish in your endorsement deals. There’s a dumpster in Florham Park filled with the corpses of young QBs who were going to become NY legends by turning the Jets around, including the QB they currently have on the roster What other rookie QBs demanded where to play and got their wish? Hell what other veteran QBs just demanded where to go and got their wish? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tranquilo Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 5 minutes ago, bitonti said: he puts alot of work into the RSP. It's like 1000 pages every year He's got stats on top of stats like off platform throws with pressure and without im not going to give away his efforts but talk about show your work, the dude shows his work What’s his track record in recent drafts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 4 hours ago, FidelioJet said: Aren't you the guy telling me how you don't want to draft a guy because he's injury prone? Great player, lacking the most important ability. Zach Wilson’s body ain’t holding up in the nfl 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 11 minutes ago, bitonti said: Waldman and I are both on the FBG staff so yes he's a collegue and yes I paid for his work because I support small journalists he has QB1 TL QB 2 Trey Lance QB 3 Mac Jones QB 4 Justin Fields QB 5 Davis Mills and QB 6 Zach Wilson And like I said yesterday: That type of ridiculous ranking, will be a very bad look if Wilson even scratches the surface of his potential. Kudos to him for sticking to his guns though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, QB1 said: has he ever played football? Has be been employed by a college or professional team? Is he a former scout? Does he have any real world experience? I am honestly asking because he comes off as a con man with a complicated “method” and a paid site. Why can’t you post his rankings and analysis? Matt Waldman is long winded and I tend to disagree with him but he shows his work and offers it at a price. Simply taking his content and sharing it here wouldn’t be right. He’s not a big entity and if you really wanna know what he has to say it’s a fair price for a lot of content. I haven’t bought an RSP in years and I don’t like Waldman’s analysis but he puts in the work and that deserves credit and financial backing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QB1 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 5 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Does he even lift bro Only Tom Shane would mock someone for playing football on a football site 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QB1 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 1 minute ago, kdels62 said: Matt Waldman is long winded and I tend to disagree with him but he shows his work and offers it at a price. Simply taking his content and sharing it here wouldn’t be right. He’s not a big entity and if you really wanna know what he has to say it’s a fair price for a lot of content. I haven’t bought an RSP in years and I don’t like Waldman’s analysis but he puts in the work and that deserves credit and financial backing. It does? Putting in work and time no matter the output has value? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 1 minute ago, kdels62 said: Matt Waldman is long winded and I tend to disagree with him but he shows his work and offers it at a price. Simply taking his content and sharing it here wouldn’t be right. He’s not a big entity and if you really wanna know what he has to say it’s a fair price for a lot of content. I haven’t bought an RSP in years and I don’t like Waldman’s analysis but he puts in the work and that deserves credit and financial backing. I will definitely agree with this. That being said QB6 is a bold statement that spits on the face of a lot of analysis and analytics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 Just now, QB1 said: Only Tom Shane would mock someone for playing football on a football site I have had sex. It doesn’t make me a sex expert. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 Just now, T0mShane said: I have had sex. It doesn’t make me a sex expert. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayRay Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 11 minutes ago, slats said: I'm saying that whether he loves him or not, he's got a price on that pick and it's up to someone to pay it or he'll just take Wilson which, again, is what I expect to happen. But thanks for putting it more simply, that really helped. LOL, you're quite the snarky one for a moderator. But whatever dude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, Mogglez said: I will definitely agree with this. That being said QB6 is a bold statement that spits on the face of a lot of analysis and analytics. Wilson is going to be more of a QBsux 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QB1 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, T0mShane said: I have had sex. It doesn’t make me a sex expert. Would you pay to read a sex guide from a virgin? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, QB1 said: has he ever played football? Has be been employed by a college or professional team? Is he a former scout? Does he have any real world experience? I am honestly asking because he comes off as a con man with a complicated “method” and a paid site. Why can’t you post his rankings and analysis? just shared his top 6 qb. as for the analysis, even if i wanted to rip him off, I wouldn't even know where to begin. he uses something called "breadth of talent" which measures how many different good things a player can do and "depth of talent" which is how well they are doing them it's checklists and stack-scores and excel tables. He appears to break down every throw, where it went and adds that into the mix. literally it's a 1000 page PDF and i had to scroll forever to even get a top 6 qb's. he's a smart dude, i've met him f2f several times over the years. He goes to Mobile and Indy every year he's not like sitting in his basement imagining rankings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barkus Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, T0mShane said: I have had sex. It doesn’t make me a sex expert. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 6 minutes ago, QB1 said: It does? Putting in work and time no matter the output has value? Yes. Especially in this realm where no one is right all the time. People have decided for years that his work is worth paying for and that has value. He’s not any more correct than anyone but the process is there and that process has value. I think he’s off base about Wilson. It wouldn’t be the first time he’s wrong and it won’t be the last. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 5 minutes ago, Philc1 said: Wilson is going to be more of a QBsux Again, I don’t care about the opinion of a borderline troll of a poster who stole another person’s username to hide from the mods/circumvent a ban. Since my past track record gets brought up quite a bit, I’ll remind everyone of yours (from your other account), once again: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 1 hour ago, derp said: Thought it was clear when I brought up the concerns about the track record of guys at the top of the draft recently that I was asking specifically at why it should be at #2 - they obviously need to address the position with a rookie sometime soon. Everything but the last applies to a guy they draft almost anywhere, and the last one still doesn't address the poor track record of guys drafted at the top of the draft. Tons of teams lately have thought they can get a strong QB at the top of the draft...very little to show for it. It needs to be at 2 to get the best prospect in Wilson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 10 minutes ago, Mogglez said: And like I said yesterday: That type of ridiculous ranking, will be a very bad look if Wilson even scratches the surface of his potential. Kudos to him for sticking to his guns though. It's maybe on the low side but closer to reality than this hype driven Zach machine. note it's not a prediction of where he will be drafted it's a prediction of production in the league. In Zach Wilson's case a borderline starter in the Drew Lock neighborhood 13 minutes ago, Tranquilo said: What’s his track record in recent drafts? he was higher on Tua than Herbert here's his report on Herbert fwiw (found it for free) https://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/article.php?article=2020-rsp-excerpt-oregon-quarterback-justin-herbert once upon a time he had a 1st rd grade on Russell Wilson like anyone else he has his good years and bad but doing anything for 10-20 years adds at least experience if not hard earned lessons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 33 minutes ago, bitonti said: I just saw a ranking from a colleague (paid site) that had Wilson as QB6 legit wonder what everyone else is looking at zach wilson has like a half dozen obvious fatal flaws and everyone says he's amazing I hear you, man. As much as I have talked myself into Wilson, I am far from certain. But I'm sure you have been dead wrong about a prospect in recent years, as I certainly have. I thought Sam was going to be very good here. Whoops. We are all guessing. Hopefully, you are wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QB1 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 9 minutes ago, bitonti said: just shared his top 6 qb. as for the analysis, even if i wanted to rip him off, I wouldn't even know where to begin. he uses something called "breadth of talent" which measures how many different good things a player can do and "depth of talent" which is how well they are doing them it's checklists and stack-scores and excel tables. He appears to break down every throw, where it went and adds that into the mix. literally it's a 1000 page PDF and i had to scroll forever to even get a top 6 qb's. he's a smart dude, i've met him f2f several times over the years. He goes to Mobile and Indy every year he's not like sitting in his basement imagining rankings. So what’s the gist of why Wilson sucks, he appears to be immensely talented Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 9 minutes ago, QB1 said: Would you pay to read a sex guide from a virgin? Wait until I tell you what paleontologists do for a living sir 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, bitonti said: It's maybe on the low side but closer to reality than this hype driven Zach machine. note it's not a prediction of where he will be drafted it's a prediction of production in the league. In Zach Wilson's case a borderline starter in the Drew Lock neighborhood he was higher on Tua than Herbert here's his report on Herbert fwiw (found it for free) https://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/article.php?article=2020-rsp-excerpt-oregon-quarterback-justin-herbert once upon a time he had a 1st rd grade on Russell Wilson like anyone else he has his good years and bad but doing anything for 10-20 years adds at least experience if not hard earned lessons Not really closer to reality. Since PFF, Daniel Jeremiah, Chris Simms, QBase and a bunch more have Wilson closer to Lawrence than outside of the top 5 overall. The one bastion of analysis you agree with is not more correct than the consensus. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillyjet Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 22 minutes ago, Philc1 said: Zach Wilson’s body ain’t holding up in the nfl The same way Drew Brees didn’t? I am not a Wilson homer but his quick release suggests otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 10 minutes ago, johnnysd said: It needs to be at 2 to get the best prospect in Wilson. The exact logic that has led to the majority of teams making mistakes at the top of the draft over the last 10-15 years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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